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Forum Post: Most of the unemployed no longer receive benefits

Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 12:15 p.m. EST by HitGirl (2263)
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[-] 4 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 8 years ago

Ironically, if people no longer receive benefits, whether or not they have a job, they are not considered unemployed. The real unemployment figures are probably twice those officially reported. Unemployment is an elastic notion that varies considerably depending on the criteria used to define it.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

I'm not sure that's true. They have to use a measure other than applications for unemployment. I agree it's probably higher.

[-] 1 points by ThisIsNotCapitalism (156) from Redmond, WA 8 years ago

In Washington state, it is the number of people who are currently; receiving or waiting to receive benefits. It does not count those who have exhausted their benefits or those who do not file. I suppose it is probably different from state to state.

[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 8 years ago

Before World War II people in the Armed Services were not considered employed. This is one of the reasons it is very difficult to do long term longitudinal studies of unemployment: the standards for measuring it have changed considerably over time. Today the measure of unemployment is based on people collecting unemployment benefits, including people collecting partial benefits because their hours have been cut to below 24 hours a week. People who have run out of benefits are no longer considered unemployed today for statistical purposes.

[-] 1 points by Truthseeker99 (99) 8 years ago

True!!

[-] 1 points by MaxRommel (57) from Ridgefield Park, NJ 8 years ago

A good start.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

Good. Now maybe they will be will be willing to take a different job out side their profession that pays less than they made before. Labor rates are supposed to adjust and mobility supposed to adapt to unemployment. By messing with these forces, we have delayed the recovery.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

suppose to? and your too dense to see that what is suppose to happen is not happening? i hope they eliminate your position

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

They won't eliminate my "position." Why? Because I have highly marketable skills that I can directly relate to an employer's profit making ability. Nobody GAVE me these skills, I COLLECTED them on purpose with the specific intent of becoming a highly differentiated product in the labor market rather than a commodity. Hopefully, you DO know what product differentiation is and understand the economic laws governing commodities.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

lol and you think that matters to the corporation? you think everyone that has lost a job did not have skills? again you are delusional

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

Right. Sorry for disagreeing.

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 8 years ago

they sure had skills.

unfortunately, those skills were either not relevant any more or could be acquired and performed cheaply by someone else, here in america by cheap fresh graduates or overseas.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

your skills are also irrelevant as soon as the ceo starts losing his money. dont sit there a think you are safe.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

I will try to feel and behave more like a victim. It will be hard, but I promise to give it my best.

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 8 years ago

if the skills are relevant, another ceo who is not losing money will hire them.

plenty of startup tech companies die every year in silicon valley. plenty of these engineers also find jobs in other tech companies.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

there are no jobs you moron

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

Really? I suppose Monster.com is out of business then as it has no product to sell?

Oh wait, Monster.com is still up and running, and it still has a LOT of jobs posted. Hey! It looks like http://www.engineerjobs.com/ has some too ! Wow, even the government is hiring at http://www.usajobs.gov/JobSearch/Search/AdvancedSearch?EmptySearchCount=5000 . Hmmmm... There are over 100 pages of health care jobs at http://seeker.allhealthcarejobs.com . Picking up my local newspaper, I see four pages of jobs. I suppose maybe there ARE jobs !

People want the SAME job at the SAME pay in the SAME location they had before, and we ALLOW them to sit at home collecting taxpayer dollars rather than adapt to reality.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

i dont agree with you.. there are thousand of applications at each of those jobs you mention. why arent they filled? because it is a sham.. they are not actually planning to hire anyone. it just looks good on paper that they pretend they are. stop being naive

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

LOL. You call ME naive ? I've never been unemployed, enjoy high wages, have job security, have put three kids through college without loans, own two homes, and will retire comfortably at age 55. I also just happen to hire folks.

Those positions are open because they require actual skills. I have YET to hire anyone with a Bachelor of Arts degrees, but I can't find anywhere NEAR enough people with BS degrees. The BS fields aren't EASY, and folks won't get to party quite as much while attending classes where they need only voice their opinions, but they DO result in the graduate receiving job offers with generous salaries. My son graduated as an engineering only 3 years ago, for example. He recently decided to change jobs and received no less than 10 offers. He accepted an offer of over $90,000 a year from an employer willing to pay for his relocation and completion of his Masters.

Finally, I find it interesting you even accuse the Obama administration of posting fake jobs just to conceal the fact that they are part of a huge conspiracy perpetuated against the American Worker. You're not only naive, you're deluded and paranoid !

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

There are plenty of jobs. People just need to get creative.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

there are no jobs. so those 5000 people fired from whirlpool and the 30000 that will be fired from bank of america are suppose to invent a job out of thin air? and sell thier products to the other 14 million unemployed? you are delusional

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

Go online. There are thousands upon thousands of niche markets online. If people can use this forum they can make money online. It just takes some research and some time. Anyone on here can print money with their computer once they find their niche.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

you are living in the past. with no jobs there are no customers.. what is hard about that

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

Yes, you speak passionately about the dire straights of the unemployed American worker. You certainly talk-the-talk, now let's measure whether you walk-the-walk.

Please walk through your home and count the number of products in your home and the number that say "Made in the USA." Divide "Made in USA" by total products. This figure represents your level of commitment to the American unemployed.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

In addition to my day job, I do a little side work online. My wife calls it my hustle. I make about $40K per year putting in about 15-20 hours per week and could make more if it wasn't for my day job. Literally anyone who uses this forum can do the same thing.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Yes, let's all work below our level of ability so the rich can buy a bigger mansion. That's what made America great.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

So you think that "what made America Great" in the past was people sitting around on the dole collecting checks ? I was under the impression that what made America Great was the ability of it's people to adapt to change, to put in the work required to get ahead, pay back their debts, refuse hand-outs, etc. Maybe I'm thinking of the OLD America.

Are your grandparents still alive ? Go speak to them.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

Some people think more of their abilities than the rest of society does.

[-] 1 points by jssss (71) 8 years ago

yeah, i got creative. i work 4 different jobs!!! man, imagine how much more i could get done if i wasn't commuting for 4 jobs...

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

That's the problem. The current system isn't about maximizing your potential. It's all about maximizing the wealth of the 1% and what can you do for them (on the cheap). Who cares what you're trained for since you're only serving a limited population, you better provide what they want. If they want another house-servant that's what you have to be, otherwise you can just starve, we have no use for you. That is their attitude. And that is why they are going down!

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

Ever try to make money online? There are a ton of ways to do it. I put myself through college and grad school putting in part time hours online.

[-] 1 points by jssss (71) 8 years ago

actually. lol, i'd like to learn about this. i have lots of friends who are looking for extra income. link?

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

I mean you can google "how to make money online" but it probably won't be of any use. People who are successful online usually don't share their secrets because of obvious reasons (ie more competition = less profit). A simple example is selling an item on eBay that you can buy cheaper somewhere else online. People usually buy online where it is easy and convenient, not always where it is cheapest. You can take advantage of those market inefficiencies. The key is finding the right products. That is something that no one will tell you. It takes your own research and time.

You can't just download a program to print money on your computer. But with some research, patience, and creativity, you can turn your computer into something that prints money.

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

Absolute truth. Cut em all off and watch the unemployment rate tumble.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Then why does the unemployment rate keep going up? The real world doesn't seem to be following your deluded visions.

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

Because we are paying people to stay unemployed.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

you dont mind that we pay foreign countries welfare in the form of foreign aid but you do mind paying unemployment to fellow americans?

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

Cut em off. They will start actually looking for work and find it when they get hungry.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

first cut off foreign aid welfare.. i would rather my taxes go to feed future homeless americans.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

why aren't you hiring any of these people?

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

Cheaper labor overseas.

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

and then you should pay the tax to fund the welfare sent in the form of foreign aid to the countries that you employ in dont you think. instead of the workers in america paying this tax? you are the only one making money off them after all.

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

I pay 35% federal tax now. 40-50% of Americans pay 0%. Fair?

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

i dont believe you pay that tax. i believe you dodge that tax as hard as you can.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

What part of 'most' don't you understand?

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 8 years ago

What part of the unemployment rate NOT going up lately don't you understand?