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Forum Post: More violent Occupy "freaks" throw bricks at police, smash windows

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 22, 2012, 10:39 a.m. EST by pullmyfinger (-6)
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San Francisco assholes leading their brothers in yet another violent rampage. Just warming up for the summer riots at the conventions. Well done wack jobs.Please tell us again about the non violent nature of your cause...whatever the fuck your cause is.



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[-] 3 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

That wasn't us; that was the black bloc. From what I can tell, the main function of the black bloc is to break things and make trouble. The black bloc hangs out on the fringe of this and other movements, waits until nobody's looking or the rest of OWS has bigger things to worry about than a few fools dressed all in black, and then puts rocks through windows or does something similar and OWS takes the hit for it. As far as I'm concerned; the black bloc needs to be kept well clear of OWS and if necessary shown the sidewalk a couple of times until they get the idea that they're not welcome.

[-] 0 points by XaiverBuchsIV (508) 12 years ago

Agent provocateurs paid to discredit OWS by instigating violence.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

This is one of those lovely times where it really doesn't matter who's making trouble. If we catch someone spraypainting things or picking fights or making other kinds of trouble, they need to be forcibly unmasked (if they're wearing masks), restrained, photographed, handed to the cops, and maybe shown the sidewalk a couple of times if they're repeat offenders. The photos need to go on some sort of easily accessible online blacklist so that it is clear both to OWS GAs and to the public at large that these people are not part of the movement and are banned from our spaces, marches, etc.

When people see us either on top of, laying into, or dragging away provocateurs and vandals it will be quite clear to them that OWS does not believe in open lawlessness and that will go a long way with the ordinary guy who doesn't follow us too carefully. If they're black bloc or whatever then their first taste of actual violence against them will probably cause them to reconsider their approach. If it's cops or infiltrators, then maybe when the officers come in the next morning looking like they lost a fight with Mike Tyson the station chief will think twice about sending them out there to riot.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 12 years ago

A lot of OWS supporters disagree with you, especially the anarchists who founded the movement and still form its core.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

First of all, why the hell would they do that? Second of all, if this is being organized by a fairly large group within the movement, why get wild now when you're already fading from the public eye (thus losing the hotshot status that can sometimes help mediate the bad taste they left in people's mouths), and if these people still want to do this why hasn't someone introduced them to the sidewalk or the side of a building as necessary to nip it in the bud? The worst part of all this is that then you get reactionary idiots like PullMyFinger claiming everyone to the left of Gingrich has inborn psychopathic and destructive tendencies, and the more crap people pull in the name of OWS the harder it is for me to knock the wind out of their sails.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 12 years ago

First of all, why the hell would they do that?

Because breaking property like windows and cars has proven to be effective in previous protests around the world, and they believe this is a needed core tactic. Search for videos from Derrick Jensen, the anarcho-primitivist. He resumes Occupy's stance on the matter quite well.

why get wild now when you're already fading from the public eye (thus losing the hotshot status that can sometimes help mediate the bad taste they left in people's mouths),

This is a downtime for Occupy because of the winter. Up in New-York, it's cold and the days are short. They are doing it now that the protests are small to see what the reaction of the Americans will be. They are testing the waters to see if the people are ready for a little violence, or if more preparation is needed.

Occupy's strategy has been used zillion of times before. Here's the strategy.

  1. Forcefully Occupy public spaces under the pretense of the right to assemble. (We all know you don't need to forcefully occupy a park 24/7 to assemble and protest.)
  2. Hold on as long as possible until the tension goes up with the cops.
  3. Create more and more tension until the inevitable confrontations happen with the police. When they do, take photos, film, record, etc...
  4. Use the videos from the police encounters to create a campaign of propaganda to demonize the police.
  5. Keep mounting the tensions and demonizing the police. Once protesters feel they are victims being mistreated by the enemy, start talking about fighting back. (Do not talk about fighting back before this stage)
  6. If the majority of protesters don't want to fight back with violence, go back to step 3, then, wash, lather, repeat.

The order of news is also important.

  1. http://occupywallst.org/article/uc-riverside-regents-youre-fired/ (demonize the cops)
  2. http://occupywallst.org/article/occupysf-boa-peoples-food/ (tell us how the black bloc is "the sound of revolution".)
[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 12 years ago

You're wrong, and I think perhaps misinterpreting how anarchism is defined in this context?

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 12 years ago

I'm talking about anarchists like Derrick Jensen.

[-] 2 points by Lardhead2 (67) 12 years ago

I thought the blacbloc were the anarchists that everyone disavows but never denies them admittance to the party.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

That's the really annoying thing; nobody likes them, but nobody has really devised a way to consistently keep them out (and with OWS's consensus models the black bloc and its sympathizers can be outvoted 9 to 1 and still be able to kill any such proposal floated by the GA or the spokes council) because they're not necessarily comfortable making use of the most expedient methods that apply to this scenario.

[-] -1 points by smartcapitalist (143) 12 years ago

And then the will cry "Police Violence" when they are apprehended. Pepper spray is way too humane for these animals.

[-] -1 points by pullmyfinger (-6) 12 years ago

They are YOUR brothers. They are carrying YOUR banner. I'm trying to Imagine riots at a Tea Party (which has NEVER happened), and the media giving them a free pass or ignoring it like they do for you every time this happens. The media carry the water for OWS,,, protecting you....

must be nice. to just respond..."oh...that wasn't us".

Face it..Violence is in the progressive DNA. Just watch what happens this summer at the conventions. YOU know it's coming too. What are going to say then?

"Oh those people don't represent us"

[-] 3 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

The lack of leadership works well for this excuse. Lack of leadership means lack of accountability for actions like this and further violence when it comes.


[+] -4 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Back when folks were burning their draft cards and demanding equal rights there was widespread unrest - it smoldered on the college campuses nationwide. Not everyone expressing their discontent engaged in vandalism, yet vandalism was widespread. Not everyone expressing discontent was active in the Black Panthers or the SLA.

And the four college kids shot at Kent State were not Black Panthers. They were not terrorist extremists. They were college kids.

You can try to discredit the Occupy Movement on the basis of actions by fringe elements - it won't work but you can try.

The fact is the people have been lied to and robbed for far too long.

That day is done.

  • the repelican party is DONE