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Forum Post: Money, Power, and Wall Street - Don't Miss It - I Definitely Won't!--CORRECTION-See Below!

Posted 2 years ago on April 17, 2012, 11:43 p.m. EST by Odin (583)
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This is not your average thread. It is just a promo....a public service post. I have just heard that PBS Frontline is airing a NEW documentary with the above title. It looks great. I think we all need to see this. It airs April 24th and 25th (for a total of four hours) in most places, at varying times. I saw some radical OWS people in the trailer....not to be confused with the paddy wagon. :-) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

CORRECTION: The first part of this doc airs on the 24th--but it does not conclude until May 1st. Different PBS stations air these at different times - so just check your listings. Thanks

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[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Just saw the trailor - it looks good! That will give this movement a shot in the arm!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

".....give this movement a shot in the arm!" Yes that is what I am hoping. We have to get as many people to see this as possible. Like I told someone else, I am going to print out a promo for it, and add a comment like, 'see and understand why there is an Occupy Wall Street movement," or something like it. Then print out a hundred copies, and bring them to local super-markets and libraries. Dk suggested that we all post it on facebook too.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Great! It's about F--king time the media realized there's a problem here!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That comment isn't as eloquent as most of your comments, but i agree. The Bill Moyers show is a real exception too though. Have you ever seen any of them?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Yes, I've seen many and I agree. The guy's even from Texas! Just goes to show there are decent people everywhere.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, there are good people everywhere. San Antonio, and Austin are quite progressive...and look at me, here in NJ in a conservative republican area. OK...maybe that isn't a good example.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Yes, the whole red state Vs. blue state thing is exaggerated by the winner take all system. There are good people everywhere.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I really believe it is important to travel when you are still young. That is the key. It is difficult to think about bringing harm to people that you have broken bread with, laughed with, and even cried with.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep I saw this advertised last night on frontline. I will be watching and I hope it is in depth and well done. We need to break out into the light of day and this may bring us one step closer.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Thanks for helping get this word out. Remember the masses will never understand some of these things, they tell us what happen, we tell the story's truth, the part that everyone can understand. Take commodities derivatives a basic instrument, but people invest in them all the time without really understanding what they are, there are people in this movement smart enough with the knowledge to straighten this out, and if we can explain the story, enough people might get pissed off enough to give them a chance.

These crooks make their money by making it hard to follow, Frontline does a really good job of breaking things down, hope I can keep up with it when I watch. Their website will be a good source, after broadcast they put up lots of reference and background material, this could provide a lot of “post” material.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey thanks. I sent a copy of the link to my occupy Minnesota group as well. I hope that together we can generate a lot of publicity for this event. We need to break out into the light of day and this program could really help in doing that.

We are making progress.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

people like frontline can help us understand so we can tell each other and on and on, they have told a lot of stories about the wars, that nobody else does, I even think I saw stuff about the Tal a Ban tearing down shrines years before "we" cared about them, if we could just get people to understand this is not something that happen but is happening and I think they will do that pretty well

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The preview looked very interesting. Let them shine the light for the world to see.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

just a bump

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Bump bump bumpity bump bump.

Not so - good advertising should not be looked at that way.

{:-])

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

sent an email to sage on this, after to look later see if anyone missed it

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is a must see just like Inside Job.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

sage, who's that?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

"brightonsage"

dude in Maine he's funny, love his stuff, never hardly posts though, are you listen brighton?

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I'll have to check it out. There is a good joke about hikers from Maine, Vermont, and New York. I always mess it up though. It deals with back-packs filled with lobsters, maple syrup, and bagels. I do remember that it did not work out well for the New Yorker, so I am glad I cannot remember that joke considering the forum we are on. All my bots would be erased over-night. lol

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

PS brighton don't like to fight but does vote D, so be kind :), (I think I'm right about that)

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I just read some of his comments. He sounds quite bright, interesting, and fair minded. I've worked with a lot of people from Maine over the years. Overall they are hard-working, but sometimes just a little bit odd, but come to think of it, some people may describe me that way too. lol On the NJ Shore, anyone who lives south of you is considered a hick. According to a friend from Maine, that same dynamic plays out there too...only it is anyone living further east...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I grew up in TN, still fighting the civil war there, hell Carter even carried TX, so all you yankees just want take outr land, living out west now, friend back there, cursed with family money so he got to stay and watch it, as far as I can tell

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Although she did not live there long, and her parents had come from NYC, my Mom was born in Chattanooga TN where she had a nanny, and then they moved onto Birmingham, AL before returning to NYC. I do remember her saying that every time she heard the song Stars Over Alabama....or was it Tennessee, she would cry. I have a great picture of my grandma on Lookout Mtn.when she was a beautiful young woman.

My ex, whom I have had a good relationship with for quite a while had British parents who were colonists in Zambia, Central Africa before her mom moved to New Zealand. I guess my point is...it is neat how families evolve, as neither my Mom or my ex had a racist bone in their body. I do remember the argument that my Mom and Swedish born Dad had though when my Dad announced he was going to take a day off work, and go to MLK's 1963 rally in Washington. The problem simply was about affordability though. Luckily my Dad won that argument.

As far as the Civil War goes my great, great, uncle Timothy Webster paid the ultimate price when the South caught up with him for spying. They hung him in Richmond, VA, and his son was injured in the battle of Ripley MS, and ended up dying of gangrene in an AL prison camp. Both bodies were repatriated to the North to a little town in southern IL, Onarga, and along with the father/grandfather (who immigrated from England through Princeton, NJ) lie three generations of Timothy Websters in a well-kept cemetery in a sleepy little town surrounded by corn and soy bean fields. One of my daughters and I had the pleasure of visiting there three summers ago on our way to Seattle for her, and Alaska for me.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Some ran into the mountains to avoid "The trail of Tears" those ended up in OK, they do an outdoor play about it that is pretty good for what it is and all.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Hmm funny how things are, I grew up in a hollow settled just a bit after the Revolutionary War, by my many great grand dad, Thomas, he married a Cherokee, part of family came over from Scotland sometime before 1740, two were given land grants for war service. The hollow still bears the family name.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are lucky to know that much of your ancestry.Was your ggg grandmother on The Trail of Tears? We lived in Dorset Hollow in VT, and every time my kids would here Van Morrison's."..down in the hollow playing....", they would be reminded of what they now consider a very idealic childhood. I wish I had pursued my family heritage a lot sooner, as my dad and mom's generation are all gone now. I lost my chance to find out so much that you cannot obtain in any other way. I would encourage people to talk to the older generation in their families before it is too late and document it with copies... because once some of that knowledge is lost, it is gone forever. That doc, Money, Power, and Wall St. concludes on May 1st, not the 25th. I know that I got that wrong info from somewhere though.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Shadz66 with his Latin salutations, and now you with your new cyber symbols! Did your kids buy you a cyber symbol hand-book for your birthday? Are you guys trying to drive me nuts? On another note, if you want to put up another thread that coincides with this one, it may open the conversation more...feel free. Maybe you could research this doc, and see if their are any reviews, or find some more info on it. Just put the same Frontline link up again, and say it is a follow-up to this thread. Suggested title, Money, Power, and Wall Street - How can we spread the word? This is not about points for me DK...this is about winning.....the prize of course is a government that is representative of the people. Then give it off to someone else. So think about that..... work on it all night :-), and tomorrow morning, if your new thread is up....cool.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Nothing fancy with the symbols - this old dog is just trying to use the younger generations text inventiveness to show a sideways smiley face.

I don't know as I will come up with a new post, I am more likely to include this Frontline advertisement link in one or more of my other posts as well as in some other peoples good posts.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That will work.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I try to find good ways to keep good stuff in circulation. Win Win.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Vale Odin ~{:-)

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Shit, there goes my big night of researching important stuff for this! Gee, my life sounds pathetic...doesn't it?:-) On another note I did look at the doc on youtube..Spies, Lies, and Murder, I think. It made me both sad, and angry at what has happened to our country. I still have to check out those other two links though....after I check out all this cyber and Latin stuff of course. This is beginning to turn into a job. Also...I did offer for DK to take over this thread with one of his own with a different slant, and we could keep that bumped up. Then you could take it over for him, with another slant on this keeping that Frontline link up. Check out my offer to him, and PM him.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Can't PM anymore today the site says I'm over the limit for today.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That sounds like the equivalent of standing in the corner! :-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It seems stupid as hell. Why should the site care if I am having a private conversation on the site with another member or several other members when it is about the movement against corruption? What is wrong with hashing out strategy and not allowing trolls to look in?

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yeah, I didn't know they had a limit. I can't see why.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

1st time I ran into it. Seems a bit much.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Great. Do they have teleys in MN? :-)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes we are a fairly technologically advanced area. Running water indoors electricity and everything. {:-O

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Ut oh! I have to look that cyber symbol up. It does not look good for me.:-)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Nothing harmful in the least. Just kind of an exclamation of how wonderfully advanced my Midwestern state is.

{:-])

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

OK....you proved your point. I also know that MN is home to many of my Dad's Nordic hard-headed countrymen, so you can't have it too easy, I know.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We do experience some interesting weather seasonally. Though winter did not really make an appearance this year. Myths about the hard life out here are just that. There are only a couple places in northern Mn that get consistently nasty in the winter and even they had a mild season this year.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I agree that their are many good intelligent people who support OWS that understand, and could straighten Wall St out. One of them, a woman has an interview on Frontline, connected to this link. She is very intelligent, and seems very altruistic. What I can gather, there is aplace for derivatives as they keep commodity futures from fluxuating wildly, but it is when they are deregualted and used as casino-type instuments is where the problems begin. Also, there is beginning to be a real backlash in some really prestigious universities where neoliberalism economics are being taught. At one university (Harvard I believe), when the big banks came to recruit, there was a group of demonstrators chanting something like, "Give it a chance...stay out of finance," at another students walked out of class in protest of the professor's lop-sided inhumane economic views. This is all very positive, and it shows how this movement has affected so much of the thinking and dialogue today.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

People are starting to look at the bigger picture, having watched the first two parts, we see where the intent “minimize risk”, taken by itself seems fine, “maximize profits” ok that sounds good, but when combined it's limestone and acid the fundamentals kill us because we are paid to work out the details. That’s what the regulations were suppose to do, keep banks banking and investors investing, but everybody says, “Why can’t I make more? Why should I take a risk?”

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And it was not even minimize risk, it was bundle that risk and sell it off to some unsuspecting fool - that's the whole truth. They knew up front exactly what they were doing. They figured to remove all of their possible liability/risk by selling it to someone who was not truly aware of what they were getting - buying failure - WallStreet predators - why do they figure that people would just as soon step on them as look at them.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It’s like each East Islander said one little tree won’t hurt. I'll just take one for me.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry not familiar with the reference. My Bad?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I might be off myself, but as I recall there was this inland sailors came across, not a tree on it, but evidence of previous people living there, story goes they cut down all the trees and died off.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

As you know, this was based on pure greed, and an almost total insensitivity for the harm that it was doing to other people. We may never be rich, but in the end, that really isn't important. It's the legacy that you leave that is most paramount.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

That is in our nature, so to speak, we should write the rules so it doesn't take us all down, in the end money only represents the ability to do good for others, everything else is ego.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Write the rules like Glass-Stegal that were created to fix an issue which had already caused a major failure and then not let them be repealed with out 1st having something "BETTER in PLACE". And that decision should not be made by the fox in the chicken coop.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"....to do good for others, everything else is ego" yes I have been a very giving person all of my life, but even so I have fell into the trappings of shallowness. The key, I think is to be able to recognize your own frailities, and put yourself back on course. It's kind of a self-cleansing process that is based on a strong sense of right and wrong.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Still at conference so just checking in a bit if you are open to it I would suggest try not judging for a bit not that I know so much but did spend some time with some that do but this may not be a good vechical as some things take perperastion to hear

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I definitely want to watch it again, and give it more thought. Thanks for your sage advice.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

having some buggy things with my mail, missed the post, if you got the link

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Exactly - no one here is perfect - we will all make mistakes - own them and try to do better.

You sir are wise.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

thanks, but that might be pushing it a little.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry I didn't think I went far enough - no one in the world is perfect. Better?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is amazing what a little world wide economic meltdown can do for sounding a wake-up call. I am so happy that people are starting to get involved and are beginning to show how they feel in real world settings.

We make progress.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes...it is really good to see.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We move forward as we deal with the issue's and say fuck you to politics.

Common Cause - Health and Prosperity - For ALL --> Onward.

{;-]) I love it.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That's why we're outside the sewer-like political system, and in the streets. It's the only honorable place to be now.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Amen

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes..."we need to break out into the light of day...." That is exactly what I was thinking, and hoping for this doc. I may print some flyers up, and spread them around promoting this doc....then add a comment ...'see and understand why there is an Occupy Wall Street movement.'

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it would be good to advertise it. The only thing I am concerned about is how they are going to treat the protests. If you put something like that out it would be really great, I guess I would just want to make sure that the ad/leaflet highlighted some of the issues we are looking to get resolved like: OSTA, Citizens United, Money out of politics, Fossil fuel speculation regulation, conflict of interest in government, criminal prosecution of wallstreet criminals. So that it would be mentioned there even if it might not get covered on the program.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Amazing! Does this mean the media will stop pretending we don't exist. I was really disgusted when I saw that Goldman Sucks has been sponsoring CBS lately. I hope it's going to be really good! I haven't clicked the link yet.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is awesome. Just the fact that this is going to be discussed on PBS on Frontline is a definite sign of progress into the social conscience. I hope that many will tune in to see it. What a boost for the cause it could be.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I'm flatly amazed. Wow!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm sending PM's out to the gang to let em know to look for it.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

All hail Fox News, America's font of wisdom!!!

You guys are just too sad.

[-] -3 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

hahahah! Take anything Sean said out of it - this guy (and OWS) wants free everything provided by the govt. That's enough to make you the laughing stock of the world. Everywhere except maybe Cuba & North Korea lol!

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It would be difficult for me to see them treating the protests in a negative way, but yes not knowing exactly what the content of the doc is, we may be taking a chance. It is only a small chance, I believe that it would work out bad for us. The Frontline docs I have seen on other subjects are right on.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am pulling for a good show one that shows the cause of righteous outrage.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, yes, yes, me too. We have to try to keep this bumped up here, so it stay near the top of the heap, so reply to others with comments on how we can get the word out.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely. Bombard the air waves so to speak. This is a must see just like Inside Job.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, everyone here, at the very least has to tell all their friends.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hopefully they will and their friends will also and so on and so on.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

The doc is half over DK....I'm beginning to smell blood!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow what an opening episode for Frontline- can't wait for the reactions or next week episode. WOW.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

WOW describes it well.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The only real thing I am a little upset about is they only briefly mentioned Brooksley. Maybe they will give her more recognition on the next episode- Otherwise?

Still WOW.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

After it was over, I watched The Warning again, which is on Frontline's web site too. I admire that little woman so much. Overall, I think it was good, but I expect the conclusion to be better even. Do you know for sure when it concludes?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do believe next Tue. as that is Frontlines regular day.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Shooz said that MP&WS was available on line at Frontline, and yes it is next Tues, May 1st. I will ask friends to tape it as I will be in the city for May Day. Was it you that I told I watched The Warning afterward. Brooksley Born is a hero. I will always remember Arthur Levitts (former SEC chairman) act of contrition in saying that she was one of the most intelligent, dedicated public servants that he has ever known, and that we should have listened to her.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes you did tell me that you had watched The Warning after you had watched Frontline. I don't know how you could subject yourself to two in a row like that. I myself had a hard time swallowing the bile after watching Frontline I was so angry while also so happy that it had aired. Yes I think it would be awesome to see an acknowledgement of Brooksley's efforts to save us displayed proudly in all of our efforts.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I'm repeating myself...not a good sign. ;-) yes, and I watched the doc on the Great Depression before those, and also a half hour interview with the OWS woman who is in a group called Occupy the SEC. That's four and a half hours. If I am not careful, I may become learned. ;-)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well just don't overdo remember exercise and recover exercise and recover. Don't want to strain anything. {:-])

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I agree. While watching these docs in my garage, I worked out for much of the time with my little weights, which are attached by rope, and a pulley to an I beam on my ceiling. So it is not only my mind that I am building.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good deal - Healthy Multitasking.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

One caveat. I had to use IE, as Firefox wouldn't work.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

that's not a caveat it's a technical amolgamation

[-] 0 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

The link worked for me in Firefox. No problem. After I watched Parts 3 and 4, I realized what a complete unmitigated sellout Obama is. Except for Wall Street's handpicked water boy Timothy Geithner, all of his senior advisers were telling him to teach the bankers a lesson in capitalism, but Obama was either too far in the tank for Wall Street or too much of a coward or both to do the right thing. Instead, the bankers were bailed out with impunity while honest Americans paid and continue to pay the consequences. Why isn't #OWS parked right in front of the White House, where the Sellout-in-Chief lives?

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I have already started directing people to your link. The link on my thread will work too, right? I have the world figured out fairly well, but don't know what Firefox or IE is. May have to call daughters in AK for more comp lessons! The trouble is they have no time as one is preparing to take finals at UAA, and the other is taking care of my granddaughter, and defending poor people from over-zealous prosecutors who are more interested in having another notch on their belt for their political aspirations, than in pursuing justice. ;-)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

IE and Firefox are examples of internet browsers.

If you're on the net you are using one. IE is original equipment in windows, so if you've never installed another, It's what you are using.

Apple uses Safari and it should work too.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Thanks..yes I am on IE.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I watched this incredibly comprehensive analysis and was so wrapped up in the huge quantity of facts, I was not paying closest attention for one of the primary reasons I watched


I wanted to hear how many times the specific words GREED and DEREGULATION were used.


I think I heard each word once!


Although I am a history and economics addict, the entire show could have been condensed into just those two words.


GREED & DEREGULATION



I was especially intrigued by the glimpse into the inside of the
meeting at the end of the show with bush, Obama, Mcain etc.

bush was scared- obviously over his head - and ran away from the meeting
Mccain had no idea what was going on,
Obama took charge and worked.


Anyone who JUST WATCHES THIS ONE SCENE and
votes for another Rs in the White House must be named koch

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

McCain was squinting in the first hour. I think it is just for show. Remember when CSPAN started...the congress and senate become a show or a dog and pony show all about appearances.

In 1990 a Vietnam Vet was telling me how some of his vet friends and him tried to work with McCain on veteran issues. I think the up shot is that McCain blew them off.

Of course McCain positioned himself as a Neocon in 2008 (what an idiot).

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Shooz told me that you can view it on line at Frontline. He sent the link, so it is around here somewhere. That meeting at the White House was news to me. McCain seemed stunned by it all. No President in my life-time has ever had to jump into such a pile of shit as Obama did. I watched the doc on the Great Depression before, and The Warning again last night on Frontline after Money, P, & WS. I'm beginning to worry that I might be getting boring! ;-)

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

looks great - thanx

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are welcome...tell the kids!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Wow four hours, they will most likely tell a good deal of the story, Frontline is about as good as we get.

Thanks for the link.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Four hours of documentary. People might think I'm getting boring...but that's OK.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

most of what I see from them stays pretty tight, it's a big story, I like that it sounds they are talking about what is happening, not like this is something that "has happened" I'm just saying this thing ain't over, and I hate it when some people talk like it is

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That's a good point, they are talking about something that "is happening" still.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I was in NYC this past Saturday at the Metropolitan area-wide OWS meeting. The collaboration, the positive attitude, the planning was incredible to witness. They definitely did not sleep the winter away. It was beautiful to see, and very inspiring, and it was a gorgeous day weather-wise to boot.

I was in NYC yesterday again with an OWS affinity group called Occupy Town Square. I help out with their pop-up events designed to reach out to the mainstream, and I do anything needed to make sure that they go well...including cleaning up occupoop from dog at one of their events. I do not consider myself a full fledged member of OTS as I cannot get to their meetings. Last night in fact I attended my first meeting. After most of them worked all day...there they were for their weekly meeting at 8:00 oclock at night in Union Square Park....appropiately near the Gandhi statue... bandying ideas back and forth at lightning speed. It was amazing. I couldn't keep up! lol Their spirits are indomitable, and I admire them so much. No..no..no this is not over by a long shot.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'm out this afternoon, if getting up this early don't take me out, it's it's not OWS but it's indie and putting pressure on Brewer, for just bein her, should be fun. good to hear the energy is up

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Have a good day. I'm also heading out into the unknown.

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

I saw this series as well and I think everyone in OWS should see it. frontline is the last great investagative reporting left in this country.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This documentary was OK. A better one is Inside Job.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes I agree. Frontline could have been a bit more harsh on the bankers and their friends in the White House, but considering there haven't been any indictments, I guess it would have been difficult. Bill Moyers is one of the last good investigative journalists too.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Landmark Lawsuit by US Home Owners Implicates Obama and Big Banks in Massive Global Laundering Scheme

http://wakeup-world.com/2012/05/05/landmark-lawsuit-by-us-home-owners-implicates-obama-and-big-banks-in-massive-global-laundering-scheme/

Truth can be stranger then fiction. We truly have a mess on our hands. Too bad they did not include Bush and all of the shenanigans that went on prior to the meltdown.

Shows ta go ya - if the people do not participate fully in "THEIR" democracy and own "THEIR" democratic process - it does not matter who is in office. The people are unlikely to get any representation if they do not start by representing themselves.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

When those in charge of enforcing the law become lawless, it's time for people to get out in the streets. All this shows that a democratic country is only as good as its citizens are involved. So in the end, we are partly to blame for where we are at now. For far too long, people have believed that being patriotic is to be compliant to the will of the political/financial elite. This has got to change, and that is why we are here. It will only change when we get people off the corporate-owned news media.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it is time to wake-up and end a culture of turning a blind eye to the wrongs in our world.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That's why we are here.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it most certainly is.

It is also why we are under constant attack.

We are spreading the truth.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Ding....ding....ding...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you.

So we continue.

And the greedy corrupt criminals and their blind marching supporters will continue to grow more desperate.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

Parts 3 and 4 on PBS last night showed in nauseating detail how Obama sold out Main Street Americans and capitalism to greedy Wall Street banks. Instead of taking the bankrupt banks to task and breaking them up, he listened to weasel U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who strongly advocated supporting and nurturing a dysfunctional banking system. Obama allowed the plutocrats to triumph over honest Americans. This tells you all you need to know about how Wall Street controls our financial system and our government officials. Pay-to-play rules. Obama allowed a once-in-a-generation opportunity to pass by giving the bankers a pass. Too-big-too-fail prevailed. The big banks were allowed to return to business as usual on Wall Street. This sordid episode in American history showed the world how a few inside Wall Street cronies can control a weak president to get their way. Anyone in #OWS who supports Obama after he failed to support honest Americans in favor of the banksters is ill-informed and is being played for a fool. If you missed Parts 3 and 4, you can watch it on pbs.org.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2229573859

Be prepared to hurl at the screen when you see how the POTUS yielded to the banks and allowed the financial crisis to continue to this day. Remember this when you see the smirks on the bankers' faces. They got over on the president and, therefore, got over on all of us.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

When all that was happening in 2008, i really didn't know what should have been done. it was a very apprehensive time. After learning though in early 2009 what went down, I was disgusted, and could not figure out why more of my fellow Americans weren't. Then when i returned from Alaska, and really started to learn about what OWS was on about, I remember thinking, 'It's about time.'

Iceland after having gone through the same crap as we did seems to be on the right track now. There leader believes now that having a smaller financial sector is preferable. One poster here put up a link about that. It is too bad that our system is so corrupt that we couldn't be doing the same. The first thing to be done in cleaning up our system is put these criminals in jail, and confiscate their ill-gotten gains.

[-] 2 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

Totally agree.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I am also leery of posters here who try to take the heat, the culpability off these criminal bankers.

[-] 2 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

Just ignore them. What the banksters did with the support of their government enablers is indefensible. They need to be held to account. This thing isn't going away anytime soon. Too many innocent people have been harmed. It doesn't help the POTUS betrayed our trust and is counting on the gullible masses to get re-elected.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It is difficult for me to ignore them, but I know that lashing out at techjunkie like I did is not the answer either. The real shitty part is there is nobody that is better out there...not anyone who has a chance of getting elected anyway. We should definitely start concentrating on the next Presidential election, and members of Congress in the mean-time. That goes hand in hand with educating, and reaching out to people.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The reason for that is that the public isnt engaged enough, yet. Its why I put Social Outreach on such a high priority for activites for OWS.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"Social Outreach" is exactly what we have to do. We also have to get people off the corrupt corporate owned news media where they are fed a bunch of crap. I am not sure if i told you, but i am connected with an OWS affinity group in NYC called Occupy Town Square. They have pop-up events in parks and churches throughout NYC. The purpose of these is to reach out to the mainstream. My contributions to this group of approximately 12 dedicated people is minimal mostly because because i live 1 1/2 hrs south of the city. Their dedication to this movement is very, very inspiring.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I have to admit, I havent been as active the last few months, had to get my personal life back in order, vehicles issues too. Looking forward to getting social outreach back up and running. I thought I had set up the appropriate systems so that it would run smooth, turns out it doesnt.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Everyone has to to take care of their own life first, and not get burned out on this because then you are not much good for anything. I've made some hybrid flyers...OWS stuff on the outside, and my own thing on the inside, like a book...on bright green paper.. and drop them of at different places on a fairly regular basis. I do have to update them now though. Once i do that, it is easy then. I have not got involved with the very small OWS movement in my area, but I have been going to NYC once a week at least since late October. I may have told you this all already, as I can never remember who I have told. A sign of old age, I guess. :-)

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Once a week is a good rate. Did the inner workings of the camp become a disaster like it did in Tampa? i couldnt believe how much time was dedicated to camp stuff that really didnt matter.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes there were problems in maintaining the camp at Zuccotti/Liberty Square. Having so many people in such a small area is a problem in itself. It also drew some people of dubious character there. This was compounded by prisoners who were let out of Riker's Island being dropped off nearby, and being told to go their if they wanted to get something to eat. This has been told to me more than once, and I believe it to be true. Even so when people occupied the park, for the most part, they were bright, altruistic mostly young people who were there for all the right reasons. There was also a wonderful sense of community there, and it was all very organized considering all that was going on.

The Occupation itself is a symbol of defiance to a very corrupt system, as you know. Now though, OWS is like running water seeking the path of least resistance, and popping up all over the place, so that is 2nd best....maybe even better. The NYPD seems very determined to not let another occupation take place anywhere, as hordes of police show up anytime that there looks like a possibility of that happening. Still though what I found remarkable is the amount of organization going on when I was at the big rally/GA in Central Park in mid April. These people have not been sleeping their winter away. That's for sure. Their are now several OWS affinity groups....Occupy Stories...Occupy The SEC...etc., etc, as well as different groups that are popping up in all five of NYC boroughs. Together with what towns and cities are doing throughout the country (see Bill Moyer's essay Restructuring Wall Street From The Bottom Up, or go to my thread on here)...well..it is all very encouraging.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

TPD dropped off quite a few degenerates and mentally unstable people here too.

You guys should find a private park that would be willing to have you.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

No, I don't back the dems"warmongering fascist policies" either. In fact the near constant state of war that we are in bothers the hell out of me. I do not think that most of the people here back them either. Condemning them (the wars) might not be near the top of their priority list though. Everything is so intertwined. When there is accountability brought to government, and the financial sector in particular, that will then shine a light on these corrupt policies. Hopefully then people will see how profitable war is for the MID and bankers., and how immoral that these wars are.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I'm sure finding a private park is on OWS's agenda. For anyone offering that though, there would be liability issues unfortunately, and still there would be city ordinances that would be difficult to circumvent. Someone has been botting you down, not me though, just the opposite in fact.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I dont back the Dems current warmongering facsists policies (like most in Occupy) so they dont like me.

Co-opters everywhere :)

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Great comment Odin. That about sums it up. Now we need to let them know that we're not going away until that happens. That's what yesterday was all about, and I think it was a resounding success.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Thanks. Yes , it was truly one of the more memorable days in my life. The positive energy...the fiery speeches..the drums beating out a great beat...the rappers...the soul singers at Union Square Park...the colorful Filipina and South American marchers and dancers, some of whom were in traditional dress, and me with my Occupy Town Square banner marching down Broadway. Then the beautiful GA down near the East River in a park with in a circular ampi-theatre type set up. It was ironically located between The S&P, and I think the Chase buildings. I think that all of these people had one thing in common, and that is that they want their country to live up to the ideals it was founded upon. I am still reflecting, and digesting it all. Consider yourself honored as you are the first that I have relayed these events to.

I decided to walk up to Union Square, and the bus term (about 4-5 miles) after that GA, and when i passed Zuccotti Park, I went in and called out Occupy, and Gyspsy King to the few people that were there. The people there probably thought I was nuts, but that's ok.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Wow! Thanks so much for this. I am really moved.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are very welcome GK.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

thanks for the link....I got to learn how to do that...I know where to look it's just time, thanks for being there tooo

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Don't feel bad. I have only learned to do the 'links thing' recently. In fact another poster here, and one of my daughters in AK helped me with it. I have figured out what makes the world tick, but there is much in the comp world still to learn for me. Remind me later with a PM, and I will be happy to share what I have learned, and thank you for all of your efforts. This is a struggle that can be fought on many different levels as you know, I am sure.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I am grateful for the people who started this, for so many years I have been talking about how the trend we were on would lead to this inequality, people would just shrug and say it's not a big deal, I would say yes but it will be and there is no force opposing it, it will get worse, OWS may become that force, we hold the key to America continuing as a nation, the trend is still ongoing, but at least some people are talking about it, that's a start

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes...imagine this was all started by a bunch of young people who recalcitrantly camped out in a park to protest the same things that you saw. Like i have said before, OWS has done more iin 7-8 months than altruistic groups such as Common Cause, and Public Citizen have done in all their years of existence. I heard a great quote from a former British diplomat, Carne Ross who is now in the Occupy movement, and wrote a book called The Leaderless Revolution, he said, "....we are at our best in adventure, compassion for others, and the aspiration for somethiing greater." Then Bill Moyers quoting from his book said something like, 'Only when confronted by seemingly insurmountable challenges...only then are we truly alive.' The interview with Mr. Ross is on the second half of a Bill Moyers show, after Paul Volker is on. It is worth watching.

We are on a wonderful journey my friend. It will not be easy, but I know that there are a lot of good people out there that are very determined to get us to where we have to go. We should both be very pleased that we are amongst these kind of like-minded people.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Very well said.

One thing I think of is how long some of these people have been telling the truth and how few listened. The thing that is occurring is the creativity of gifted people doing what they do each in their way, with abilities to connect like never before, this power can be unstoppable, if we are truthful IMHO, because I believe that is where the true power lays.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

IMHO? After i wrote this, i put up a thread on this subject. Did you see it? The way people are connecting is incredible, and their singular goal of making this a better country is beautiful. Yesterday, i went to a picnic in a park in Brooklyn with the young people from Occupy Town Square. Every time I am with those young people, I come away with the feeling of renewed optimism. Their quiet resolve to see this through is contagious. Good food too. :-)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'll chech it out, good food is always a good sign.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"Good food...both literally..and figuratively is good for you. There is nothing on the thread that I said that was profound, but what Moyers and Carne said was really cool.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if profound would win, we would of won a long time ago

it's just the simple truth that you and me and million more see that will win this thing, all we got to do see the good in what people like Carne says

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

pullizen posted a bunch of quotes on truth, interesting to see the things people have said.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I'll look for those quotes.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Amen.

[-] 1 points by BannedAgain (6) 2 years ago

Part II tonite was quite an indictment of BHO and his tax dodging Sec of Treasury

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Let the chips fall where they may. I would have rather had it been a more far-reaching indictment than that. No President in my life-time has come into such a pile of shit as Obama did, though. I was in NYC today (14 hrs) taking part in the protests there, so I have not seen it yet.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

I just watched the first hour called part one. I'll get some exercies and then watch the next hour. I did learn a couple of things already.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Like I mentioned to another poster, the woman who worked for JP Morgan Chase gets a lot of air time, and if the banks had picked her, they couldn't have picked a better canidate to down-play the corruption that took place...as she has a 'real girl next door appeal to her.' The conclusion on Tuesday will be the key. So far Inside Job has this beat hands down, I think.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

The PBS Frontline program made Bernanke and Geithner look like rock starts who saved mankind. If these two Wall Street puppets did their job, there would have been no financial crisis. They waited until events got totally out of control before they bailed out their pals on Wall Street with our money. Bernanke drove interest rates to zero and printed and continues to print massive amounts of ever-depreciating dollars. Any village idiot can do that. Meanwhile, honest Americans on Main Street see their homes, their jobs and their savings evaporate. Obama then saw fit to reward Bernanke and Geithner and put these two failures in charge of our financial system. How sick is that? Where is the outrage?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Good question, "where is the outrage." That has been missing in the American populace for some time, and it may be because of a media that has gained more control over most of our minds than we care to admit. As I told GF, so far this could have, and should have been more 'castigating' than it has been. There is still hope in the finale though. Note; You have put up almost the same post twice, and I have responded to it both times in almost the same way. Is this a test? :-)

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

No test intended. I just can't understand why most Americans, who have been harmed by Wall Street greed and our pay-to-play government, aren't more upset. The media has certainly shaped public opinion, as you say, in a negative way by giving our elected leaders a pass, but that doesn't excuse public indifference. On the other hand, it could simply be that most people are fully aware of the injustice but feel powerless to do anything about it. If government regulators and the justice department won't do anything, then the only recourse it for the public to take matters into their own hands. We can see how well that approach is working out in Syria. The insiders know they can do almost anything they want with impunity and that is exactly what is happening. Both political parties put forth candidates who are in the tank for Wall Street and other special interests. Hence, a general sense of frustration and hopelessness pervades the country.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Agreed, and that "sense of frustration and hopelessness" is what we /OWS have to tap into. We are now taking matters into our own hands by being outside the corrupt system. We need the numbers, though. I am not that religious, but I do hope and pray that it can be done by peaceful means.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Ok, got one portion down. It let me watch the second part but not the the first one.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Are you eating a sandwich, or talking about the doc? :-)

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Doc.

It's too early for food. :P

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You must be in AK, if it's too early for food. I don't think the doc puts the blame squarely on the bankers because without any criminal prosecution, it would probably be difficult for them to do...as it would be at odds with their jounalistic integrity. Anyone with a functioning brain though can clearly see where most of the fault for the 2008 melt-down lies. I'm going to watch it again though.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Nah. I'm just strange with eating habits.

I want to wait until I see all of it. That said, I'm going to be honest. They are a day late with this and I am not expecting much.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

The finale on Tuesday will be the key. Even if they are a "day late," it does give more people a chance to see what went down. So far though it does not tell us much more than most of us here already didn't know. It just reconfirms it. The woman from JP Morgan Chase was about the best choice the banks could have made if they were the ones making the choice to represent them. She was not only likeable, but had a wholesome beauty. The amount of time that she had did bother me a bit, as I was hoping for something more castigating than it has been, so far.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

We'll see.

Well, the most disturbing element is that it is something that most of us up here know about. So, Inside Job came out in 2010 and it is April of 2012. It has a better say something/cash in feel to it.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes I agree Inside Job is the best so far.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Read "Too Big to Fail" by Andrew Sorkin, "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis and "All the Devils Are Here" - can't remember the author.

It's astounding to me that the banks have not been prosecuted. I can only guess - it's the too big to jail dilemma. Then there's the - white collar crime is often difficult to prosecute excuse. There have been and are ongoing prosecutions by States Attorneys Generals. And an official from the Justice Dept says there are investigations going on. But who knows.

I think the big banks are such a freaking disaster the government may be legitimately terrified of going after them for fear of the impact it would have on the economy. They are loaded with toxic mortgages. Good mortgages that people are defaulting on. Now the student loan debt crisis. And $300 trillion in derivatives. 3X the amount of the entire world economy.

You might like this 60 Min program. It has an interview with a Justice Dept official.

http://dailybail.com/home/60-minutes-prosecuting-wall-street-fraud-at-citigroup-and-co.html

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

OK, all three of those books are on my ever-growing list. Do you remember how Elliot Spitzer was going after Wall St when he was the NY attorney general...maybe as governor too... of NY? It seemed convenient to me that he was taken down by a hooker, especially when sniffing coke, and hookers are so prevalent on Wall St. WS anyway was very happy with his fall from grace.

I agree that if they go after the bankers on criminal counts, they may be opening a Pandora's box that not only shows the really, really shaky condition that these banks are in, but it probably would implicate a lot of politicians as well. The derivatives market alone is a ticking time bomb, and nobody seems to know much about it, which is amazing to me. I'm usually an optimist, but.........

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I'm hedging. I'm going to take out one of those derivatives, some kind of swap thing. I'm going to bet long on Wall Street being prosecuted. So if they are, and there's another run on the economy, I cash in my swap and I'm protected. I just need someone to take the short side of that bet. That shouldn't be too hard.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It shouldn't be hard at all. Reminder, the OWS movie is coming on this web site in a couple of mins. 8pm

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

True and true.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

A big problem with the Frontline special is that it portrays Geithner and Bernanke as heroes who saved the country from a financial meltdown after the financial system began to unravel in 2008. These two Wall Street flunkies, along with Alan Greespan, sat on their hands and allowed the debt bubble to explode. They were too beholden to Wall Street and too cowardly to intervene when the housing market overheated. Instead, they stepped in after it was too late. They saved the banks and let Main Street take it on the chin. Moral hazard took a hike. Instead of getting rid of Geithner and Bernanke, Obama, at the behest of Wall Street executives, promoted them and they are still in charge of our financial system. The foxes are still guarding the hen house.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes there is a lot that was unsaid in the doc ,and everyone has to draw their own conclusions. They definitely did not cover the cronyism that was going on and the preferrential treatment that say Goldman Sachs got. Until and if there ever is a complete investigation, it is difficult for the doc's producers to indict people really harshly, as even now the degree, and the people who have the most culpability in some instances is not clear. It definitely was a good old boys club where they looked out for themselves, and their corrupt pals though.

From at least 2006, it seemed like this bubble was already too big to burst without a lot of pain, and there was nobody around before or after that to do anything about it, as regulators were almost non-existent...and everyone was drinking the deregulation Kool Aid..but yes it would have been much better to have been able to nip this in the bud. "The foxes are still guarding the chicken house," and that is a major problem, I agree.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I know some like to hate Obama for what he did, but this does make it look like he had little choice, at least the first two hours watch the rest next week.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

watching it now on repeat

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, Shooz said it was availabe on line at Frontline. I'm looking for an even better conclusion

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your link takes peple to it, one thing I thought of watching it is what they call "risk" regular people call becoming homeless, none of these guys thought about what would happen to their customers

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Oh yeah, I forgot that i had a link up on my thread. Good. These criminals were risk adverse. They had little 'skin' in the game, and had most of the upside potential, and we had the downside, and it has played, and is still playing out in lost jobs, pensions, and a whole variety of negative ways for us regular folks. All this while they keep their jobs, and get bonuses to boot. This doc has only increased my resolve to see this movement through. I hope that others feel the same way, and that it opens the eyes of those that are unaware, or timid.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and when I suggest we just twink the rules a bit, just till we pay the debt off, and people say I'm stealing

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

For many people, it's just they don't want the facts to get in the way of their long-held opinions. Educating people as many of us have been educated here, including me has to be one of our goals if we are to succeed.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We do need to bring new ways of thinking about things into play; I think good talking points are really important too.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

They should begin as catch prhases, or talking points in the hope that they get transformed into a real dialogue devoid of all the crap... brought on by special interests that we have all become so accustomed to.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Public funding, for public elections!!

(just the public ones)

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

yep..that's a great start, and we should keep pounding away at it. In our criticisms of the corrupt status quo, as i have said before, we should never say 'news media' by itself. Rather it should always be the 'corporate-owned news media.' It's a whole bunch of little things like this that may determine our success. In the end we want to lead the way so people can educate themselves.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

this is true it matters a lot how we say things

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

We have been victims of sound bytes...catch phrases, etc for thirty years. Most of the health-care debate was fought like this where a lobbying firm came up with a bunch of little phrases, and they were repeated over, and over again by multiple politicians who swallow up bribes from the insurance companies. If we need to use the same tactic to get people to start to 'think,' so be it. The added bonus for people will be the delay or the avoidance of dementia.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't mind using what works, a sharp point to break through, then maybe a real discussion you never know, could happen

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I read your reply carefully, and will have to give it more thought. One of the big problems in local, and county government in NJ is no-bid contracts. If that doesn't breed corruption, I don't know what does. At every level of government, the public seems to have become desensitized to all the deceitfulness that goes on.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

What should be our main goal at first is undeniably 'pure,' having a democracy/republic representative of the people. Our tactics to get there, using catch phrases to awaken people, protesting, etc., while seemingly ignoble to some people....they are not. In fact being out in the streets at this point is the only 'honorable' place to be.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

There certainly is honor there, I am not prepared to give up on the constitution which ties me to voting and geographical representatives, I would love to see the states go away I see no need for them, too big for local, just another useless layer, we defend national borders, right or wrong, and local is city at most so why have states at all?

But it is how we got put together it was like so much in life a compromise, so here we are, I think we can fix it, I hope so because I am sure if we were to throw it out, what would come next would be much worst.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Had to reply here. I have often thought about the needlessness of County government, but I have not given much thought to states. Most of us want to see something in the place of the crony capitalism/democracy that we have today, but that doesn't mean that it should not constantly evolve into something better. I do know that corruption on the state levels is rampant, especially here in NJ.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

That is what I saw in TN, I see it here in AZ, I hear about it other places, I grew up in TN and the counties were smaller seemed more like local. Here they are huge and I agree like states too big to care about everyday people too small for the media to care, (though that is getting to where it doesn't matter if they care or not the coverage is so poor), county government gave us Sheriff Joe that alone should be good reason to get rid of them, however I kinda like get rid of states (if we could) then the county government actually has a job covering law and order and services for the rural areas, but mostly what I see is that states are just the right size to play against each other for the benefit of the 1%. The more power they have the bigger the prize for the 1%, thus "states rights".

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's available on the web site........:)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Thanks. That's good to know because I will be in NYC with those radicals on May 1st when it concludes. I expect the conclusion will be even better.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

NYC: Tonight 4/24 9PM-11PM WNET ch 13 money power & wall street

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely I have it programed for showing and I can hardly wait. I have been making sure to mention this to everyone here and else where.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes...I know, I'm the guy who put this thread up...remember? I'm just being a wise guy. lol ooh ooh here it is 2100 hours! My fingers are crossed that it will be good.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

FRONTLINE = the real deal on news : don't miss this

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Sure won't. Thanks ;-)

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Frontline is what 60 Minutes was

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Longer pieces and they have to fight harder to get in the door, Mike Wallace could blow the doors open with CBS power behind him, don't get me wrong he did his dues, but some of these Frontline people got brass balls.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Before they got "sponsored" by Goldman Sucks.

[-] -2 points by vvvpr (0) 2 years ago

I assume you mean Goldman Sachs, a major contributor to the Bushbama campaign in 2008, and whose alum essentially run the Treasury to this day.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes 60 mins. went down the tubes, and Frontline is great. I did make a mistake on the airing of the second part of this doc, and will correct the post later. The doc concludes on May 1st, not April 25. I know that I got that wrong info somewhere though.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe the two air dates you listed are correct for a 1st and 2nd showing of the 1st part.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Do you mean that there is no showing on the 25th, right? i went to their web site yesterday, and could not find anything for the 25th, only the 24th and 1st.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do believe when I stopped in to check the listing of local area showings that the 24th and 25th were both listed - now this might be for my area as one showing is on channel 2 on the 24th and channel 17 on the 25th both PBS stations/channels.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes here in NJ..they show these docs at different times on different stations too. the important thing is the show starts on the 24th. people can figure it out from there.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep it should be more than enough to get the word out that it is on - on Frontline and to check local listings. I am so looking forward to this documentary.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It does look like it will a good one, just hope enough people see it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Me too. We will see a reaction I do believe in the weeks following.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

We're all hoping for that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I also pray for it. I pray for the success and for blessings on these movements against corruption and greed.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I know that there are a lot of young people especially, that are working hard on it every day. Since officially joining Occupy Town Square, I have been privy to their emails and the work and organizing they have been doing for the April 28th march from Bryant Park to Union Square is amazing. All day they are sending emails back and forth to each other. I respect them so much. I pray for this movement too, not only for its success, but for its ability to remain non-violent.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes - nonviolent we do not ever want to see a repeat of the 60's.

[-] 1 points by ClearTarget (216) 2 years ago

The trailer seems promising. I'll be looking forward to this.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It looks very promising. I think, even if it is not perfect, it will help a lot. Last night I printed out a promo for the doc, and today I went to the office supply place, and printed out a whole bunch of copies of it on yellow paper, and dropped them off surreptitiously at three different super-markets, two libraries, and a laundry mat. They read in big letters 'occupy wall street', then in smaller letters, 'are you wondering what this is all about?' 'we urge you to tune in to pbs frontline's documentary,' then in big letters again, 'money power, and Wall Street.' ...then some more stuff including time and dates. When will I ever grow up?

[-] 1 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 2 years ago

Thanks for this post. Looking forward to watching.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Good...it was brought to you by" People for a Better World." :-)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

TRUTH

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Picky, picky, picky. I was just telling another guy here, I made a promo for the doc last night.....using large lettering and small. By trial and error, it turned out great! Anyway, I made a bunch of copies of it today on yellow paper, and left them off all over town. I also heard from an old friend that I had lost contact with, and when I told him what I was doing, I slipped in that doc and suggested that he watch it. He in turn was going to forward that email to another mutual friend in Florida, so I am doing my part in this. If I can figure out how to get it over to my email, I will send it to you, or add it to this thread, which would be even better yet.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Take your mouse highlight the text, copy then paste to the body of your e-mail or to the comment thread.

Sorry if you got the mistaken impression that I was being picky ( "truth" was for yeah from People for a Better World - I mean you are right? ) I was just agreeing with your statement.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Thanks for the head's up, I set my recorder to catch it for me.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

good. I caught the promo after a show about the unreliability of finger printing, and forensic science that was really interesting. As soon as I saw it, I knew that I had to put this thread up, and start spreading the word to friends. The problem with the latter as you may know, it may be unlikely that they will be able to pull themselves away from mindless television shows, so I put a guilt trip on them.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I've always believed television is a tool and is only as good as you make use of it. I guess that goes for all media. Again, thanks.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are welcome.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2720) 2 years ago

This is very important to see - the corporate media keeps spinning to the public that the recession is over they want people to believe their hardships are uncommon - it's more difficult to get people to join when they believe they are alone in it. That's why they keep trying to divide this movement as well as shirk it off as a bunch of dirty hippies who poop on cars. Only we're not from that generation - we are new. Intelligent - researched, well read, internet generation and we've been reaching the masses despite their efforts. The economy will falter- it's the titanic - greed eventually hits an iceberg. Don't let them get to the life boats first while they watch us and our families drown.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I have given credit, and have defended your generation for having started this, and doing the real heavy work in this movement. I am part of an affinity group in NYC called Occupy Town Square. As I have said in another post, most of them work all day....communicate with each other at night...have meetings in parks after work, and bandy ideas around at lightning speed. They are bright, positive, and very dedicated to the success of this. My contributions are small, but they know that I am on their side.

One of the reasons that I take part in demonstrations, and protest marches is I want to make it more difficult for the media to label this as a dirty bunch of hippie wannabes. I am the father of three intelligent, enlightened daughters, who all are trying to unselfishly make this a better world....all in their own ways.

I recently wrote the editorial board, and almost every email address they had in the Asbury Park Press (circ, 100,000 plus), and told them that they were not doing their job well, and the young people know this more than anyone else, and that does not bode well for the future of traditional corporate-owned media. Anyway, I regard this as your generation's revolution. Just regard me as your #1 supporter.. That's all.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

Why does bw always get the points ! :-]

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It's an inside joke...I'm just trying to piss her off. :-) I'll bot you up too.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

It's pretty hard to upset bw .. and by giving her points .. I don't think that will do it neither.. lol !

ps. I like bw ..

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yeah...she's cool, but don't tell her I told you, OK?

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

.she is like a solid pillar in the community ..she stands her ground well !

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you click the link you can also post this ad to facebook and twitter. I did.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

Feed social/public awareness - please share.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That's a great idea. Tell the grandkids too. They will then understand why you are so devoted to this cause DK.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks Odin - and thanks for posting the link, it is so great for advertising how good this program may very well be for the movements against corruption. A real door opener to the general public.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I'm very optimistic.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am hoping to see another Inside Job quality program.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Me too. I may stop answering comments here so readily, so we can keep this thread bumped up up for a while. One more...then wait a few hours.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm with you. I want to keep this post at the top of the listing until the 24th at least, then probably till the 2nd part is shown.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Near the top will be cool. I know that one of the producers of this show produced Inside The Meltdown, and The Warning which was about a very courageous woman named Brooksley Born who as chairman of The Commodity Future Trading Commission stood her ground against Alan Greespan, Robert Rubin, Arthur Levitt, and Larry Sommers. She was trying to get derivatives regulated, but they just defanged her and ran her out of town. Another producer did the Madoff Affair, and College Inc.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Brooksley got a raw deal, I would love to see an in depth interview done with her today.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes I would like to see an in depth interview with Ms. Born too. She did win the Kennedy Profile In Courage Award I believe, in recognition of her trying to do the right thing in wanting derivatives regulated. Arthur Levitt came out at some point and said something like she is one of the most dedicated public servants he has ever known, and then went on to say, "we should have listened to her."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If anyone has a case for a suit for a hostile working place and wrongful termination it is Her.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Uhhh, . . . . . . . . . yup.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It looks like to be a good one. I'll be riveted to the tube those nights.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I've bookmarked this page so I don't forget. Thanks for posting it.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are welcome. Tell everyone.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Second half is even better!

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

This is the first critique on the second half that I have heard. I just got home (at 0430) from the May Day protests in NYC. Anyway, I am glad to hear that it was better, and will watch it on line later today

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Summers actually comes off as the good guy. Too bad.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

In other docs, he comes off as the enforcer, and if he comes off as the good guy here, that's a problem.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

The complexities of life, especially the econ-political one.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I saw two parts last night and they were awesome.

What a fucking sleeeeeezy mess!!!

Obama took the reigns before he even took office.

Bush bailed and McCain tapped out. Cons can't govern, they "Lord!"

Their Lordship failed BIG TIME!!!!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, it shows the importance of having a President with intelligence. That scene of the meeting at the White House was very powerful, and at least, it shows that we made the right choice with the choices that we had. I do wish they had brought the sleaze factor up even more. That spokes-woman for JP Morgan put about the best light possible on the corrupt shenanigans that were going on. She was pretty too. I look forward to an even better part 3 and 4. I checked it out after Shooz told me it is availabe to view again on line at Frontline. It is. He put the link up.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It was a nice reiteration of what we saw happen. It's interesting that so many people either don't remember or have a completely different "understanding" of the greatest heist in human history. Inside Job and Heist are also must sees. What kind of brain washing does it take for people to believe that the whole mess was caused by Obama.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

There must be something in the water in Portland. Or did you suffer a head injury in the past?

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

TROLL Alert!!

Do liberals go RW sites and spam and slime??

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, he's a troll, but he's not all that alert. They very rarely are....:)

He's a victim of an unbalanced education.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I was wondering if Libs slime on RW sites, but they probably just give orders and don't take replies. Anyone know??

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Shudder to think anyone would gothere. In thought or in fact. Uhuhhhuhhhuuuewe

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It would be interesting to see. Like spelunking... in hell. But to go there just to slime?? Does anyone do that?? Can it be done??

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Don't know! Hhmmmm. What would be nasty or stupid enough . . . hmmm...Asad?...well no probably not, that POS is a coward....Hhmmm... wow I can tell this one is gonna bother me all night........Castro? hmmm..maybe for giggles....are psychotics allowed in the running?.........

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I tried going on the official Republicon site once and I think you have to enter your DL# and open an account just to browse. But I was just curious and had no malicious intent. This Mikeinhio idiot just wants to piss on people's legs. How can we hook him up with the Anarchists??

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Have him go on twitter and try messaging to anonymous. He should enjoy Himself if he makes contact - gets himself noticed. Not something that I would do. But Mikey does not seem to have a lot of sense. Sure have him chase after a real anarchist/rebel/revolutionary. Taunt Him into doing it He may be dumb enough to want to go and rattle that chain.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It would be fun to see how our anarchist (all pols are the same) ones deal with real RW insanity. Put one of their posts in reply to his.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Life can be hard and reality can be very brutal - no one should try to live a sugar coated life as that has nothing to do with our current reality - instead it is an exercise in denial. Yes there are good things that still happen and should be appreciated for what they are - good - these things should be cherished and used to inspire us to do better as a people - Humanity - these good things should inspire us all to unite in common cause - Health and Prosperity for "ALL" and the time to appreciate it.

That being said - FUCK ALL POLITICS - Deal with issues. Yes there are some of some party which are good individuals and some as well in an other. SO What? There are corrupt and greedy people everywhere. That is the true point and the common cause for ALL good people to rally around. I try not to talk politics but it is really hard not to when a group jump up and down and shout to the World - FUCK YOU ALL.

That is why until we can get past these distractions get all monsters out of office and put a proper reign on business - WE ARE ALL IN A WORLD OF HURT.


[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (887) from Portland, OR 1 minute ago

This national forum is very interesting for a number of reasons. And I don't want it to be exclusive in anyway. I welcome all people of all ideologies to share views on our issues and the times we live in. If RW zombies want to just come in and slime everything, then let that be a learning experience that the Right is made up of socially dysfunctional cretins. On other sites, RW zombies censor and remove conflicting POVs. Here they can't. There are HUGE differences between LW and RW, Cons and Dems, it's an old Con ploy to paint them both as the same. NO WAY! Political newbies and new visitors need to understand what politics are all about. It's not everybody plays fair and you get a trophy for showing up. It's not winning one election and expecting the world to change by next week. It's dirty and slow and full of sabotage and disinformation. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Everything is political, my friend. But corporations are not people.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes - if a troll wants to be suicidal - I guess it is OK to let them have a real life experience. How else will they receive an education - I mean you can not talk sense to them - no matter how hard you might try - so as with all rock heads they need to live and learn the hard way or not at all.


[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (887) from Portland, OR 1 minute ago

fun ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I don't for a second hope to teach RW Zombies anything, that part of their brain was washed out before 1st grade. But it might enlighten our overly idealistic all-pols-are-the-same newbies. Must hook them up.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep there are domestic terrorists - economic domestic terrorists - imagine they made it to WallStreet and into the Banking system as well. Worse they have support in government.

It is a good thing America is beginning to wake-up.

Left un-confronted there is no telling what kind of damage they will do next.


[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (887) from Portland, OR 3 minutes ago

There are enemy terrorists domestic and abroad. When we turn against our government the terrorists have won. Don't let the terrorists win. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Again a valid point - it has just been so long that a majority a clear majority have practiced the real thing that it has at this point in time earned a truly awful reputation. Incredibly awful. Stupendously awful.

Perhaps that can be repaired in time with the proper management - The People - in place and participating for real.


[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (887) from Portland, OR 2 minutes ago

Perhaps you are applying an odious perception or connotation to the word "Politics." Not hard to do in this swirling shitstorm of deceitful rhetoric and deliberate distortion.

Try refreshing the definition: http://www.answers.com/topic/politics ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

terrorism was meant an oppressive government that used fear and punishment to control s people

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

There are enemy terrorists domestic and abroad. When we turn against our government the terrorists have won. Don't let the terrorists win.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Can't argue with that 2nd part at all. The 1st part I do not agree with but am not going to argue as that is a perception often times as valid as not.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Perhaps you are applying an odious perception or connotation to the word "Politics." Not hard to do in this swirling shitstorm of deceitful rhetoric and deliberate distortion.

Try refreshing the definition: http://www.answers.com/topic/politics

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I was just kinda talking about that to my sister. I just got off the phone with her. We don't have a lot of regular interaction - so I was catching her up on what I was doing with the OWS forum and all. I was explaining how it was kind of like an on-line small community - only the community was often attacked by trolls. Then went on about how those who have been here awhile know what to look for and that we will generally get out the torches and pitch forks and let the troll know that they are lost and in the definite wrong community. I was also saying that it can be quite off-putting for someone who just stopped in for the 1st time and saw this activity going on. We had quite a good laugh over that. Only I am sorry if new visitors do get scared off.


[-] 3 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (887) from Portland, OR 36 minutes ago

I don't for a second hope to teach RW Zombies anything, that part of their brain was washed out before 1st grade. But it might enlighten our overly idealistic all-pols-are-the-same newbies. Must hook them up. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

This national forum is very interesting for a number of reasons. And I don't want it to be exclusive in anyway. I welcome all people of all ideologies to share views on our issues and the times we live in. If RW zombies want to just come in and slime everything, then let that be a learning experience that the Right is made up of socially dysfunctional cretins. On other sites, RW zombies censor and remove conflicting POVs. Here they can't. There are HUGE differences between LW and RW, Cons and Dems, it's an old Con ploy to paint them both as the same. NO WAY! Political newbies and new visitors need to understand what politics are all about. It's not everybody plays fair and you get a trophy for showing up. It's not winning one election and expecting the world to change by next week. It's dirty and slow and full of sabotage and disinformation.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well apparently you are braver than I. So go ahead and feed it a link to anonymous and dare it to go yank on the chain and see what happens. Funny if it does it - prove it has shit for brains.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

fun

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Truly I do not want to go there as that is playing with something wildly unstable.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I do.

[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Idiot Alert!!

No, liberals storm Statehouses and ports They aren't smart enough to debate the issues rationally. You are the poster child.

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

TROLL!!

So RW sites don't have slimers like you? They just give you RW Zombies the senseless and baseless RW talking points.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Oh Yeah? I say LW Zombies use senseless and baseless talking points.

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Seriously? You're just going to copy me?

Has original thought been totally purged from your authoritarian RW minds?

Tell me, when you guys listen to Limpaw or Bortz, do you just cum or do you need to jack-off a little??

[-] -1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Oh, well done!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

When are you going to respond to anything in a rational fashion?

Sometime after the check clears? Looks like a long wait.

[-] -3 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

As soon as you have a (partially) rational thought, or can add anything to the conversation.

Please start a new post so I can tear it apart. I am getting bored.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's not possible with you, as the check still hasn't cleared, and as you know, you get what you pay for.

Or would you prefer, you can only take out, what you've put in?

You mostly attempt to maneuver conversations to where you can take a lame cheap shot. It's your MO.

You should stick your numbers, words always fail you.

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

The numbers are clear: 6,647 posts = looney tunes.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

MikeInOhio=Lost boy, that can't remember conversations.

Besides you're just jealous as hell.

[-] -2 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

7,160 posts = looney tunes

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Seeing the first part of this dock has strengthened my resolve to see this revolution through.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

This should be fairly solid. But if it was too truthful, they wouldnt let them air it on tv.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I don't know, Bill Moyers gets away with it on a regular basis...being truthful that is, and Frontline has been very hard-hitting in the past. I'm hopeful. Take a chance. Tell everyone to watch it. If it's no good...we'll fall with it then..and pick ourselves back up. :-)

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas says the TBTF banks should be broken up. In their annual report, issued just a few weeks ago.

http://dallasfed.org/assets/documents/fed/annual/2011/ar11.pdf

http://dallasfed.org/fed/annual/index.cfm

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I didn't realize the different branches of the Fed had that kind of autonomy. That's hopeful.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 2 years ago

I'm in !! Thanks for the heads up.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Good...spread the word, even on unrelated topics..slip it in somewhere, OK?

[-] -1 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Will you be the first to reach -1,000?

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[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I wonder how we can get the know-it-all, know-nothing Anarchists here to watch Frontline, one of the best news and issue shows ever produced?

I'm afraid they'd just call it corporate propaganda, if they did.

What can we do for these lost numbskulls??

Frontline, on PBS, every week!!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Frontline usually does a good job. The producers of this show have done The Warning, The Madoff Affair, College Inc. and another good one. I also watch Bill Moyers every week, and he has had some really good shows. Right now Anarchists are going the same way as we want to go. Their destination is just further along than ours. Differences yes of course, but it does not seem like a battle we need to take on now. Rather, we have to try and get main street Americans to forego mindless television shows for two nights. That's our challenge right now.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Was their a typo? Anarchy is rebellion without a cause and is in no way "going the same way as we want to go." Nor is "Their 'destination'... further along than ours." That's like saying The Lord of the Flies was a blueprint for an ideal society! I'm sorry if you were just joking. But their insidious (defiant) inability to comprehend nuance, exceptions and grey area complexities and facts is just so frustrating. Not a black and white world. And their mistaken, ham-fisted insurgency is destructive and divisive when what we need is unity and collectivity. Anarchists are the intellectual equivalent to Typhoid Mary; a virtual disease to a successful cause. But very funny as a goal or "destination" for solutions.

Frontline in the last couple of years has wavered, but what is there to compare it to. Very glad Moyers returned, apparently inspired by OWS. We were pen pals in the 80s.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

You clearly have no idea what Anarchy is, or what Anarchists want, and your attack has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, I guess simple minded people just attack what they do not understand. Sad.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Oh, please apprise me of all the greatness of anarchy!! Successes and all!!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I also suspect that Moyers returned because of the awakening of the public brought about by OWS. Pen pals, cool.. he is the only journalist worth his salt as far as I can see. I don't back down often, if I believe my facts are correct. I definitely need to research that more. So until then I concede by last comment to you. I do know that their are anarchists amongst us, and I did feel down the road, it would be a problem, but that was more by gut feeling than intellect. Yes I do my best to bring about "unity" here, maybe so much so I wanted wrongly not to confront a problem now. I don't know.

[-] -1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 2 years ago

Too Little To late

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It's too late when they are shoveling the dirt over you in your final resting place.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 2 years ago

Your are pathetic,begging for chicken feets from corrupt media typical american slavery mentality

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are pathetic when you deny the power of public broadcasting of the truth.

[-] -1 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

EXCEPT that the MSM has nothing to do with the truth,.......case in point, NBC editing out of the 911 disptachers question to zimmerman about what was the rce of the person zimmerman called about. media malpractice , aka lying.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You have a problem with PBS and Frontline? For that is what this post is about - not Fux spews and not NBseen.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

pbs is heavily biased to the left AND taxpayer funded.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your point being what? Are you saying they are more or less biased then MSM are you saying they misrepresent like MSM?

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

just as biased as the hard left leaning msms,.............and with taxpayer dollars.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Can you provide actual proof of this so called lean?

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/us/june12/law_03-22pdf

                if you go to the story  , pbs continues the lie that zimmerman said that martin was black,.......he didnt. zimmerman only indentified martin by race when asked by the 911 dispatcher if the person was black, white or hispanic.  pbs also use the  term " white hispanic".
[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This isn't even proof that PBS is liberal, let alone that all other MSM is liberal.

All you have so far is a pretty shaky conspiracy theory.

Who owns them all?

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

the msm . cbsnbcabccnnmsnbcpbsmediamattesmoveon are arms of the democrat party.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Only FLAKESnews is fair and balanced!!!!!

'Cause they said so?

You still didn't answer the question.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

All media is run by these 6 companies:

GE, Disney, Viacomm, NewsCorp, CBS and Time Warner.

I doubt any of them care about the letters after these corrupted politicians names. Just keep the people misinformed and buying.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What ever "you" want to believe.

On the PBS News Hour for instance - they always have a republican and a democrat on hand to talk about the issues - at the same time. They even let those people speak freely. Huh. Yep nasty biased PBS.

That is when invited parties are willing to show-up - quite often repubs or corporate representation decline.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

pbs lied about zimmerman and martin.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Really? How so?

Attach a proof in your reply - conjecture/opinion does not count as this is not an MSM or a fossil fuel commercial or a political program site. Those who are here to fight corruption are those who are aware and so do not buy yellow journalism. You need to provide proof.

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

when you say " at this point in time" , referring to my right to express my opinon, do you mean that the 1st amendment is going to be abolished?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Look at ALEC and it's programs, look at government and its manipulation by corporations, look at the current war on women, look at the outsourcing of work to deplete the average American workers ability to make a living.

The constitution is under attack and has been for many many years. It is only now that the players have stepped out of the shadows and have really been escalating their attacks.

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

there is no "war on women" its a non issue manufactured by the dems. i would think that if you had a large business you would want to make a profit, a large company owes it to its stockholders to do so. "outsourcing " adds to the bottom line. the dems are attacking the constitution,.............the 1st , 2nd, 4th and 10th amendments.

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

the link to the pbs atory is above. pbs lied about zimmerman. the pbs story says that zimmerman identified martin as black,.............he didnt ,......the 911 dispatcher asked zimmerman is the person was black , white or hispanic. pbs also used the term of " white hispanic" to describe zimmerman.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are as always in this country ( at this point in time ) entitled to your own opinion and have the right ( at this point in time ) to express it freely.

But having some facts would help your stand.

Opinion - every one has them that does not mean they are worth anything.


[-] 1 points by po6059 (76) 1 minute ago

If you listen to PBs and still don't know that they're left wing, you're one of their prized listeners,............dumber than dumb. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So? Where is the lie? You just said he told the dispatcher when asked that he thought the suspect was black.

When was anyone asked by the dispatcher if they were white/Hispanic? Where does anyone get asked that and how is that supposed to be part of a lie?


[-] 1 points by po6059 (76) 17 minutes ago

zimmerman did not indentify martin as being black UNTIL he was asked by the 911 dispatcher,..................what race is he , is black , white or hispanic? zimmerman replied,i think he looks black. zimmerman did not volunteer the information until asked "white hispanic"? ( a term also used by the ny times),...............does that mean that obama is a white african american? or white black man? ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

the LIE is that the story is promoted as if zimmerman , on his own , identified martin as being black,........................nbc editied the dispatchers question about race out of the tape and pbs went along with it. by the way, do you know that zimmermans wife is black? they also desribed zimmerman as a "white hispanic" same thing the ny times didi. does that mean that obama is a white blackman? or a white african american?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry - weak - lame - however else you might not like to hear me say it - PBS is still one of the most principled news shows still available on any MSM channel ( MSM in this case - meaning accessible to all without a contract service or internet hook-up ).

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

If you listen to PBs and still don't know that they're left wing, you're one of their prized listeners,............dumber than dumb.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26523) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What exactly is the lie you are trying to imply?

Did Zimmerman identify the suspect as being black? Is Zimmerman of mixed race? What is the lie?

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

zimmerman did not indentify martin as being black UNTIL he was asked by the 911 dispatcher,..................what race is he , is black , white or hispanic? zimmerman replied,i think he looks black. zimmerman did not volunteer the information until asked "white hispanic"? ( a term also used by the ny times),...............does that mean that obama is a white african american? or white black man?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Gee you're a real killjoy.

[-] 0 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 2 years ago

that's how I get off,

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

each to his own.