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Forum Post: Mitt Romney's Mormon Problem - And Ours

Posted 8 years ago on June 13, 2012, 3:20 a.m. EST by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY
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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 8 years ago

Mitt Romney has a flip-flopping problem.

Maybe next month he won't be a Mormon anymore.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

That would be something! He already lies about what the religion stands for and surely as a bishop and scion of a highly regarded Mormon clan he knows when he is lying for the lord.

[-] -1 points by 2percent (0) 8 years ago

Let's not use "flip-flop", isn't the politically correct term for the media biased, "evolved"? Kind of like a term we were given when the mainstream media admires a politician, like Barry Obama. So, let's have equality when we discuss flip-flopping, it's evolving for both sides.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

U R correct - mittens does not flip flop - He just lies and then lies about his lies - he lies so much that he can't remember how he lied before so that he can support his present lie with a lie from the past.

Yep - mittens don't flip flop - he is gonna try to lie the best as he can to whatever group he is currently lying/talking to.

[-] -1 points by funkytown (-374) 8 years ago

It's not lying if it involves the vote.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Romney had a crisis when he drove badly at Beaulac and caused the death of Leola Anderson. June 16th 1968 when he was 21 years old.

We know that because there was no such person as "Albert Marie." The other driver was Bishop Jean Vilnet. Romney made up a huge lie and sold it to his family and to the Andersons.

His religion failed him. He did not rely on the truth.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Looks to me like his god and church shined through quite famously for him. He seemingly got away with causing someone's death and lying about it and didn't have to wear the uniform of his country due to the influence of his father within the church.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago


Karma takes it's own time.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I dunno. Nelson Rockefeller died in bed at age 80 something, and in that bed was someone he liked much his junior in age. I'm not convinced one way or the other about afterlife. In some cases I surely hope there is one.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Nelson Rockefeller died of a heart attack in New York when one of his chippies, Megan Marshak, failed to call 911 and get him an ambulance.

He was 71 years old.

Nelson Rockefeller left Marshak that spectacular double townhouse on West 54th Street. "Millionaires Row" section off 5th Avenue. Maybe that had something to do with her not dialing the telephone. Who knows? She knew that she was taken care of in the current will. She also got cash and the contents of the townhouse residence.

Btw: corporate press never, ever did follow up on Marshak, despite that she was in town and easy to find. Compare/contrast with what they do pillorying any and all married Democrats' paid wh_r_s.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Thanks. You learn something every day. I do.

[-] 1 points by MichaelB (128) 8 years ago

This gives me the creepy feeling you're trying to make the Mormons into what the Jews were for Hitler.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

That's ridiculous. Mormonism is a political movement and a scam too masquerading as a respectable religion. I've tried to pull together information about that right wing racist cult so that people can learn something, something we had better learn before November.

[-] 2 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

The Mormons spent 100 years allied with KKK.

Now the KKK is called the Tea Party. Same difference.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Not that I'm disouting what you've said of a Mormon KKK lliance, but I was not aware of a formal connection. It does seem they were in coalition in California on that anti gay vote campaign.

[-] 1 points by MichaelB (128) 8 years ago

It's like you believe there are no good reasons to vote for Obama, that the only thing you have is to be against Mormons, and make people fear Romney. Fear can work i suppose, it did for Hitler, I would rather be for something then give in to prejudice and fear.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

There is no good reason to vote for either.

The fact the public is rolling over is shameful at best, downright disgusting at worst.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 8 years ago

Agreed, but what's your suggestion? I say, impeach Obama and get Biden. He must be the best out of himself Romney and Obama. Also, its a way to send a message to all future presidents that if they engage in criminal activity, like illegal wars, or neglect their responsibilities, like rebuilding the economy, they get fired, just like anyone else would.

I know this may sound a bit far off, but I believe there is a fairly active movement among certain senators to impeach Obama now. These are critical times and there's no excuse for a president not doing his job.

[-] 1 points by MichaelB (128) 8 years ago

I don't care who anyone else votes for, write in Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, or don't vote at all. My original opinion is still the same. The site he linked to has a creepy KKK or Nazi feel to it.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I'm writing in NO WAR

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Im writing in Kiss My Ass

[-] 1 points by MichaelB (128) 8 years ago

The government doesn't seem to kiss it, seems they usually perform a different sexual act on it.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago


[-] 0 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I don't think there are many good reasons to vote for Obama other than he is not Romney. A Romney win would energize the right and demoralize the traditional Democratic base which are the more progressive elements in our society. A Romney win coupled with the GOP taking both houses of Congress would be catastrophic for millions of people. Obama, less so.

[-] 1 points by MichaelB (128) 8 years ago

That's all fine, but that site you linked to is still reminds me of something I see made by skinheads.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

It's Mormons who are white supremacist, not me. According to their scripture which still remains people with dark skin are cursed by the mormon god for sins they did in the before life.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

You can't be serious! Your link is about some guy that died in the late 1800's. Yes he was a Mormon and yes LDS, like many religions have weird beliefs. So what? Religious beliefs and race aren't an issue. Stick to the real issues, stop sounding like someone that learned about campaigning from Goebbels.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Look at the link again. Or stop lying.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

Yesterday it was just text, today there is audio and links. It looks like a typical hate site, hastily thrown together and not quite finished. The links mock a lot of what the Mormons believe, but you can do that with any religion. I've listened to some of Wright's sermons, that man has some serious hate issues, it didn't change my vote though.

You hate Romney and Mormons, I get it. They still say this is a free country, so say and post what you want. This is a forum and I believe I'm entitled to my own opinion. Your link looks like it was made by an amateur from some fringe hate group. I guess that bigots vote too, so go for it.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

You lie. There were the same videos from the very start. The link was not revised in any way. You are not being honest.Personally I think that Wright told a lot of truths. The fact that Obama turned his back on Wright is why I didn't vote last time.


[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

Why would I bother to lie? The video still isn't working for me just audio, maybe a glitch with Macs I don't know or care. Your page looks like a simple hate site, that's my opinion on it.

You think Mormonism is a problem I don't, I don't care what religion people follow as long as they don't try to force me to believe what they do.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

"as long as they don't try to force me to believe what they do." yet.

[-] -1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

Your protection is the very same amendment you wish to disregard.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I'm not advocating the government suppress the Mormons. I'm advocating that people be aware of them and who and what they are. I have the first amendment free speech right to criticize their wacky yet dangerous cult.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

We all have a right to our opinions, mine is that the Mormons are no more a problem then any other conservative religious group. Your complaints against them just seem over the top.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Well, respectfully I say "you are wrong." The Mormons are organized, trained, dedicated and deceitful much more than any rightist cult of similar size and wealth.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 8 years ago

I don't see where it's worse then Scientology or the Evangelical Christians. It simply doesn't matter though, in this country you have a right to practice your beliefs.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

"I don't see"

Open your eyes then.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

Mr. Romney's problem is lying. Individually and as a team sport.

Google [ Bishop Jean Vilnet ] -- Romney had the lying thing imprinted decades ago, including setting up false-witness support to get away with his scams.

Conservatives and religious people got sold on this guy ??? Money overwhelmed normal concerns about truth telling, paying taxes, hiring illegals, etc. Amazing what the big bucks can do.

Ordinary Mormons are no different from other church-centered people. Don't blame Mitt Romney's gross personality flaws on LDS.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Ordinary Mormons give two years of their young lives, and pay for their own upkeep over those two years to go around telling lies and half truths about their religion as they fish for the weak willed, the credulous and the lonely to suck into their cult. Nothing ordinary about them, they are for real soldiers of their god and living prophet. What they are about should interest people who follow politics and culture.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 8 years ago

They don't pay for their own upkeep. But otherwise that's not far off point. it's close to slavery.

Closest other sizable group is Scientology. They both promise an afterlife where adherents get domination and their own planets.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago


LDS Mission Cost by JIMMY on JUNE 25, 2009 · 56 COMMENTS posted in PREPARING FOR A MISSION

Many of my readers have wondered: how much does an LDS mission cost? The current LDS mission monthly cost for young men and women in the United States is $400 a month. That comes out to a total of $7,200 for 18-month long missions for sisters, and $9,600 for young men who serve two-year missions.

Mission Costs Vary for Some People and Places

I specify that the figure above is for young men and women in the US, because mission costs vary for senior couples and for young people outside the US. To find out the current cost of an LDS mission outside the United States, please see your bishop or other Church leader in the country. For senior missionaries in the United States, the average cost of a mission for couples who do not live at home is approximately $1,500 per month. Mission costs for senior missionaries range from $800–$4,000 per month (which includes expenses for housing, utilities, food, and transportation), but about 80% of all missions cost less than $1,800 per month.

Missionaries Pay Their Own Expenses

Missionaries are expected to pay their own expenses while on the mission. When my parents were young, each missionary paid his or her own actual living expenses. So a mission to Japan, for example, could have been much more expensive than a mission to Argentina. In 1990, though, a new program was introduced to equalize the financial responsibility for each missionary. Now, all young missionaries pay a flat monthly rate into the Church missionary fund. Each missionary, then, is allocated what he or she needs for the expenses in that mission. This approach has reduced the burden on the missionary, and his or her family, who may have been assigned to work in a more expensive area of the world.

Expenses Covered

The monthly allowance missionaries are given is designed to cover food, lodging, transportation, and other mission related expenses. Missionaries are asked to bring extra personal money for additional items they would like to purchase such as souvenirs. Church members around the world are asked to invite their local missionaries to meals to help reduce the overall cost of the missionary program.

Start Saving Early

Young people in the church are encouraged to save money throughout their childhood and teenage years to pay for as much of their mission as they can. Parents, family, and friends may also contribute financially to pay for a missionary’s expenses. Missionaries who cannot save the required funds may also obtain assistance from their home ward or stake, though personal and family sources of funds should be exhausted first.

Supplemental Financial Assistance

For many countries outside the US, if authorized, there is supplemental financial support available from the Church. If the missionary candidate cannot be supported fully from personal, family, ward or branch, or stake or district funds, then a request can be made for this financial assistance. Missionaries are asked not to request this special assistance until they, their family, and ward or branch and stake or district have committed themselves to provide all the financial support they can.

Source of Funds Section of Mission Papers

Read more at: LDS Mission Cost — Mormon Mission Prep http://www.mormonmissionprep.com/preparing-for-a-mission/lds-mission-cost/#ixzz1xwcyF2Ck

[-] 0 points by 2percent (0) 8 years ago

Let's not go there! Or the Reverend Wright comes out of the closet and Obama doesn't want that to happen. The Reps tried to say JFK would be taking orders from the Pope in the Vatican, that didn't happen.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

The Reverend Wright is still spoken about by the right wingnuts, regardless of anything anyone else does. Romney's superpac was ready on May 17 to let lose a new campaign around Wright. Romney, who by law does not coordinate with the superpac told them to lay off. Why? Because he is a gentleman? No I doubt that. I think he wants to let sleeping living prophets lie. I know radio Democrat Thom Hartmann was ready to rip on the Mormonism stuff but said he'd drop it because the superpac backed off. That didn't stop Romney Surrogate and one time Presidential hopeful Donald Trump from resurrecting the birther stupidity. Romney had nothing to say, he let one of his underlings offer a denial of Romney's approval of Trumps stuff, but he went and feasted with Trump anyhow.

I wouldn't expect Obama, his campaign or his superpac to raise the Mormonism issue (unless sorely provoked and left no option). I would hop though that some people who want Romney to lose like I do would make an effort to remind people of one reason they do not trust or like Romney: Mormonism.

[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago