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Forum Post: Mississippi Could Soon Jail Women for Stillbirths, Miscarriages

Posted 9 years ago on May 23, 2013, 3:08 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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So, we have taken a small moment away from my gender being used as a political weapon. Mayhap we should assess what has not been accomplished.




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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 9 years ago

WTF kinda medieval shit is this ?!!! ''Depraved Heart Murder'' ?!! Where exactly are the 'depraved hearts' here ?! Seems women's bodies are on the front line against The Fascist State, whose reach and diktat extends to the womb ! How many private prisons are to be enriched by this criminalisation of women ?

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

Just one of MANY differences between Cons and Dems.

Do we really have to wait until it gets [individually] personal before we wake the fuck up!

Then they took the women, but I was a man and did not care.


[-] 2 points by 4progress (49) 9 years ago

They do this in El Salvedor, hence the "Beatriz" case which the Inter-American Court of Human Rights ruled that she should have rights.

Amnesty International USA is trying hard to get these women out of jail in that country because they have no rights -- even during still births or miscarriages. It's awful when you read it... horrible.. and the United Nations was also involved as well.

Maybe some international Human Rights Courts should get involved to free these women and prevent these unjust and oppressive laws from happening? Perhaps the Inter-American Court of Human Rights as a starting point...

[-] 3 points by Clancy (42) 9 years ago

If the miscarriage was in any way caused by the drugs then she should be prosecuted.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

I disagree. Further, that is not what we are seeing. We are seeing instances of someone arrested for cocaine 10 years before who has a miscarriage. No proof that the two are connected. Women are more apt to have to have a miscarriage in the first three months (80%).

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 9 years ago

In this case sense it was a stillborn at 31 weeks then it was probably the drugs, if its proven that it was the drugs then it is her fault that the child died. If not then she should be free to go.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

That is going to be very difficult to prove. That's the problem. "It was probably" is kind of like "almost" and I believe that it only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Secondly, as noted in the article, there is going to be an issue of boundaries.

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 9 years ago

It will be hard to prove but if it was in anyway related to the drugs then she should be charged.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

What is the total cost, including court costs, to prove this on one individual? It's currently inconclusive. Now, what is the total cost for the 400 other cases?

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 9 years ago

It doesn't matter what the cost is, if there is a chance that she is guilty then it should be investigated.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

Investigation is what you do before hand. If you don't have any scientific backing (as it is inconclusive) than you are operating out of good old Jerry Springer revenge. At that point, there should be some good old fashioned lawsuits. So, not only should the costs from arrest, litigation, etc. be included but also the amount of money that is going to be spent on the forthcoming lawsuits and monetary compensation.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 9 years ago

It just makes me wonder - was Lincoln wrong to save the Union ?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

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[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 years ago

I hate everything about that case. Signed.

Honestly? The conversation has not even begun. It's the tip of the iceberg. There are side issues that have to take place or nothing changes. I also think that when Lotstutter's group spun out of control it pretty much sealed the deal that much of that conversation will not take place. I say group but it isn't that he could exhibit any type of control over that. The retaliation begins and by the group that needs to do the most listening and it takes precedence.

That said, Lostutter (and the blogger Alexandria Goddard) opened that door and the media and the rest of larger society didn't follow through. Frankly, I find most of society and the media to be enablers. That girl was being penalized for a crime that she did not commit(blame the victim) through social media and online forums and they had every intention of making her pay for the rest of her life.

Those conversations that need to be examined are on the relationships. Beyond justice. It is the type of mentality that doesn't just foster a rape culture but domestic violence. When a relationship ends, it should be over. Comedians talk about the ownership clause afterwards. It is also the if-i-can't-have-you-and-I-don't-want-you-then-no-one-can. When you have a group of girls that are calling any other girl a whore etc. when something like this (or anything else) happens, are we looking at small acts of self preservation? So, when they step forward and distance themselves by this typof response they are not just damning someone else, they are aiding and abetting in the destruction of their own boundaries. Those are just a few issues.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

"Tip of the iceberg"

Yes yes it is - the very visible tip of a sick society.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

Hhmmm - wonder if they will enforce that against minorities - or just poor white women so that the redneck majority can be built-up through intimidation.

[-] -2 points by justiceforzim2 (-3) 9 years ago

dka "redneck majority" sounds like hate speech to me. What's your point?

[-] 0 points by highlander23 (-8) 9 years ago

I have seen enough pregnant druggies to wholeheartedly encourage this. The effects of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome are well known. Also, opioid addiction and narcotic addiction has multiple deleterious effects on a baby that will last a lifetime. If the government has to pay for the care of a baby, then they should have a say regarding an expectant mother whose only skills appear to be to spread her legs and shoot up on meth.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 9 years ago

IN DEPTH: Stone Age Stupidity From The GOP Instead of focusing like a laser on jobs & the economy, Republicans have gone back - to the stone age - on women's issues.

You know what they say: Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, three or more times is a real problem - and those on the political right apparently still have a huge problem with women in America.

If it were the only gaffe of it's kind this week, we might have just tossed off the ridiculous comment by Texas GOP Congressman Michael Burgess on Monday as just the latest in a long line of ignorant comments from Republican politicians about abortion and the rights of women.

Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?feed=393046&article=11409102#ixzz2WwRvaw7q