Forum Post: Maybe OWS is not for me?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 11:05 p.m. EST by OWSForObama
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I have shown my passion with ideas to stop businesses from operating, yet the OWS members around here do not agree with me.
Maybe the OWS members on the net have a different agenda then what I learned from watching the protesters on the news.
They see me trollin' they hatin'
We don't wan't to stop business. Tell your mom to turn off Fox news. We just want the rich to stop being total dicks and destroying the lives of millions by enticing wars, buying politicians, and other general terrible things.
What about the politicians? Why Wall Street and not the White House and or the Capital?
Oh...... Ok
Thank actually makes more sense.. I think most common people can agree with that..
I do not watch Fox news.... NBC
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=259
Ideas? How long you been with them?
I'm sorry. You are obviously not in the inner circle of "the organizers" who shall not be named. Therefore, your opinions and ideas don't count.
Wolf! Wolf!
I love this song!
I'll tell you something I am a wolf but I like to wear sheep's clothing
I am a bonfire I am a vampire I'm waiting for my moment
[Chorus:] You come on like a drug I just can't get enough I'm like an addict coming at you for a little more And there's so much at stake I can't afford to waste I never needed anybody like this before
I'll tell you something I am a demon Some say my biggest weakness I have my reasons Call it my defense Be careful what you're wishing
Chorus You are a secret A new possession I like to keep you guessing
[Chorus] When I'm not sure what I'm living for (When I'm not sure who I am) When I'm not sure what I'm looking for (When I'm not sure who I am) When I'm not sure what I'm living for (When I'm not sure who I am) When I'm not sure what I'm looking for (When I'm not sure who I am)
When I'm not sure what I'm living for When I'm not sure what I'm looking for When I'm not sure what I'm living for.
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If we have one demand it has to be Amend the Constitution for government ONLY financing of elections, no contributions, from anyone; rendering Citizens United a moot point.
I love this how do you get the unions behind it
Union bosses won't go for it any faster than Corporate bosses or Congress; but when the rank & file or the shareholders or their constituents really get disgruntled they'll fold their cards as fast as they can. We need to stick to the point and hammer it home single issue like every other that ever passed. Then the true democracy/restoration of the republic/reform can happen. We gotten anywhere until we get this.
Agreed but union bosses control the movement now.
You could be right, but this is more primal than that. They don't control the message. They're not controlling us. Sorry still working this out:
Our one demand, as I believe that is all we can afford has to be: Amend the Constitution for government ONLY financing of elections, no contributions, from anyone; rendering Citizens United a moot point. It’s the only piece of this that resonates with the anti-establishment left, the anti-establishment right and everyone in between. Including many who make 350k+ believe me its great to make that kind of money but that doesn't mean you want to spend it on some one's (or even your own) campaign where the mega-corps and uber-unions are going to drown you out anyway. The shear fear of this movement uniting and growing, immune to their false discourse would so scare the shit out of them they'd probably start proactively trying to appease us. Wouldn't that be nice? Oh, and its spin-proof. The logical contortions involved in trying to spin this would only push people to us.
I agree with this but no longer see how it will come out of OWS
I worry; it will in one form of the movement or another. However what if we phrase it like this?
This thing of ours, if it gets even a little further than it has already the disinformation campaign is going to go into overdrive (if it hasn’t already, other repressions to follow)? We have a difficult task, an awesome duty to awaken people; startle them without scaring them. We need a non-divisive, internally consistent, easily discernible and relate-able narrative. Our one goal, as I believe that is all we can afford without division, needs to be: Amend the Constitution for government ONLY financing of elections, no contributions, from anyone; rendering Citizens United a moot point. It’s the only piece of this that resonates with the anti-establishment left, the anti-establishment right and everyone in between, including many of those who make 350k+. Sure It’s great to make that kind of money but that doesn't mean you want to spend it on some one's (or even your own) campaign. There, your tiny breath will be drowned by the deafening wind of the mega-corps, the uber-unions, and by treacherous and selfish interests of all types, to the detriment of society. This is the banner under which we can unite, indeed must unite. We must amend, then we can debate what kind of society we want, which policies, parties, or politicians, or ideologies to endorse. Until democracy is unleashed and the republic restored there is no way forward. The pulse of this movement endlessly uniting and growing, immune to their false discourse will so tremble those who cannot be won, they will proactively try to appease us. Won't that be nice? They will try to buy our petty differences and desires, preying anew on the weary and the wavering. But we, the proud children of a free nation will not be appeased by half measures, promises and lies. We want what we deserve, that which is ours by moral right, paid for by the spirit of our martyrs, a meaningful say in the matters that properly concern us.
Great the unions will crush you!!!!
My mothers union and she loves this proposal. I think you over estimate their loyalty to bosses OPENLY acting against their interest, same for shareholders, employees union or not, and society in general. Thus the need for all the secrecy and obfuscation in the current system.
I have hope Ive talked to union members in zucotti and they have said the same thing If you guys can adopt this as your first demand I and most of America will join you keep fighting