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Forum Post: Marxism; The killing machine

Posted 8 years ago on June 29, 2012, 10:53 a.m. EST by Justoneof99 (80)
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With the fall of the Soviet Union and communist governments in Eastern Europe, too many have the impression that Marxism, the religion of communism, is dead. Hardly. It is alive and well in many countries still, such as North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, a gaggle of African countries, and in the minds of many South American political leaders. However, of most importance to the future of democracy, communism still pollutes the thinking of a vast multitude of Western academics and intellectuals.

Of all religions, secular and otherwise, that of Marxism has been by far the bloodiest – bloodier than the Catholic Inquisition, the various Catholic crusades, and the Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants. In practice, Marxism has meant bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal prison camps and murderous forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and fraudulent show trials, outright mass murder and genocide.

In total, Marxist regimes murdered nearly 110 million people from 1917 to 1987. For perspective on this incredible toll, note that all domestic and foreign wars during the 20th century killed around 35 million. That is, when Marxists control states, Marxism is more deadly then all the wars of the 20th century, including World Wars I and II, and the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

And what did Marxism, this greatest of human social experiments, achieve for its poor citizens, at this most bloody cost in lives? Nothing positive. It left in its wake an economic, environmental, social and cultural disaster.

The Khmer Rouge – (Cambodian communists) who ruled Cambodia for four years – provide insight into why Marxists believed it necessary and moral to massacre so many of their fellow humans. Their Marxism was married to absolute power. They believed without a shred of doubt that they knew the truth, that they would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness, and that to realize this utopia, they had to mercilessly tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and Buddhist culture, and then totally rebuild a communist society. Nothing could be allowed to stand in the way of this achievement. Government – the Communist Party – was above any law. All other institutions, religions, cultural norms, traditions and sentiments were expendable.

The Marxists saw the construction of this utopia as a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism and inequality – and, as in a real war, noncombatants would unfortunately get caught in the battle. There would be necessary enemy casualties: the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, “wreckers,” intellectuals, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, the rich and landlords. As in a war, millions might die, but these deaths would be justified by the end, as in the defeat of Hitler in World War II. To the ruling Marxists, the goal of a communist utopia was enough to justify all the deaths.

The irony is that in practice, even after decades of total control, Marxism did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the world’s greatest famines have happened within the Soviet Union (about 5 million dead from 1921-23 and 7 million from 1932-3, including 2 million outside Ukraine) and communist China (about 30 million dead from 1959-61). Overall, in the last century almost 55 million people died in various Marxist famines and associated epidemics – a little over 10 million of them were intentionally starved to death, and the rest died as an unintended result of Marxist collectivization and agricultural policies.

What is astonishing is that this “currency” of death by Marxism is not thousands or even hundreds of thousands, but millions of deaths. This is almost incomprehensible – it is as though the whole population of the American New England and Middle Atlantic States, or California and Texas, had been wiped out. And that around 35 million people escaped Marxist countries as refugees was an unequaled vote against Marxist utopian pretensions. Its equivalent would be everyone fleeing California, emptying it of all human beings.

There is a supremely important lesson for human life and welfare to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one ideology: No one can be trusted with unlimited power.

The more power a government has to impose the beliefs of an ideological or religious elite, or decree the whims of a dictator, the more likely human lives and welfare will be sacrificed. As a government’s power is more unrestrained, as its power reaches into all corners of culture and society, the more likely it is to kill its own citizens.

As a governing elite has the power to do whatever it wants, whether to satisfy its most personal wishes, or as today’s Marxists desire, to pursue what it believes is right and true, it may do so whatever the cost in lives. Here, power is the necessary condition for mass murder. Once an elite has full authority, other causes and conditions can operate to bring about the immediate genocide, terrorism, massacres or whatever killing the members of an elite feel is warranted. But it is power – unchecked, unconstrained, uncontrolled – that is the killer.

Our academic and intellectual Marxists today are getting a free ride. They get a certain respect because of their words about improving the lot of the worker and the poor, their utopian pretensions. But when empowered, Marxism has failed utterly, as has fascism. Instead of being treated with respect and tolerance, Marxists should be treated as though they wished a deadly plague on all of us.

The next time you come across or are lectured by one of our indigenous Marxists, or almost the equivalent, leftist zealots, ask them how they can justify the murder of over a hundred million their absolutist faith has brought about, and the misery it has created for many hundreds of millions more.

R.J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science and Nobel Peace Prize finalist, has published 29 books and received numerous awards for his research.



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[-] 7 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 8 years ago

On his blog, he says that global warming is a criminal conspiracy. And that there are hundreds of FEMA camps in America ready to arrest conservatives and libertarians.

http://rudyrummel.blogspot.com/ This guy is totally fucking nuts. Although horrific crimes were perpetrated by governments that claimed to be socialist in the 20th century, Rummel's numbers are highly suspect.

Also, I would like to see some scholarly work on the number of deaths caused by our so called liberal democracies in the west for instance the carpet bombing of Cambodia that provided usefull recruiting tool for the Khmer Rhouge or the US backed death squads in central america. The invasion of Iraq and other military adventurism of this century and last.

Also lets include non state actors in this work like for instance Goldman Sachs and other large banks who through speculation on the food markets caused millions of impovershed people around the world to starve to death. The practice of which continues to this day.



[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

These bozos always leave out the numbers for USA-supported dictators like Fulgencio Batista in Cuba, Pinochet in Chile, Franco in Spain, Somoza in Nicaragua, etc, etc, etc, etc. The list is almost endless.

If we also count the indigenous people of America killed by the US government as well as in imperialistic wars, the number would undoubtedly shock and horrify all of us.

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 8 years ago

Not to mention that the USSR was a state capitalist country. One in which workers and citizens had no say in what was produced or what to do with the surplus of thier labor, which is antithetical to Marxism.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

From Engel's A Communist Confession of Faith:...

Q 2: What is the aim of the Communists? A: To organize society in such a way that every member of it can develop and use all his capabilities and powers in complete freedom and without thereby infringing the basic conditions of this society.

Q 3: How do you wish to achieve this aim? A: By the elimination of private property and its replacement by community of property...

Q 6: How do you wish to prepare the way for your community of property? A: By enlightening and uniting the proletariat.

I have to tell you doesn't sound very totalitarian or threatening.

[-] 4 points by docgee (11) 8 years ago

One could make a very similar argument against Christianity. The lesson to be learned is not that Marxism -- or Christianity -- is inherently evil. What is evil is blind dogma and ruthless control, as applied to any ideology. Actually Marxism and Christianity have a lot in common. Unfortunately neither has been immune to the effects of totalitarian government.

[-] 4 points by RevolutionCA (33) 8 years ago

R.J. Rummel has no clue on what Marxism is. First of all, there can never be any communist government. Communism is a stateless and classless society. Where in the communist manifesto did it say to kill millions of people? You cant blame that on Marxism, you can blame that on stupid people. The Khmer Rouge were only communist in name. Don't forget that the USA backed them. So why would the US back a socialist government when they were against communism? Oh yeah because maybe they weren't communist. All that stuff about a totalitarian regime is not Marxism, plain and simple. When the state controls and runs everything that is called state capitalism, which is still capitalism. Ask any Marxist and they will say that they don't want a totalitarian regime like the USSR or North Korea. If you want to ask any Marxist about anything I suggest you go to this website because there's definitely a lot of misinformation and propaganda going around. http://www.revleft.com/vb/

[-] 4 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

The OP and the "professor" both prove their ignorance. They should both read Marx before attempting to define the political-economic theory. Ignorance is curable.

[-] 3 points by kilroywashere (20) 8 years ago

There is no real thing as true Marxism, never has been, never will be. What most accuse of being Marxism is really Totalitarianism at best, fascism at worst.

[+] -4 points by Justoneof99 (80) 8 years ago

Agree. Cant have one without the other.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 8 years ago

A pure dip-sht,. thanks for playing!

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 8 years ago

Strange beliefs this guy has, believes 'global warming' is a scam for power.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 8 years ago

Living in China, I can say that these days, for most Chinese people, Marxism plays a minimal role in their lives, at least those that live in the cities.

China is of course huge and complicated, with many different things going on, but from what I see, most people live basically capitalist lives, in a country that still has a lot of poverty, but is growing.

Today, the biggest threat to China seems to be the deepening demise of what was previously its best customer, the west.


[-] -2 points by TheMisfit (48) 8 years ago

Do not expect much for replies to this. Truth is kryptonite to OWS.

[-] -3 points by slizzo (-96) 8 years ago


and still, some assholes are certain that the NEXT time it'll be done right. each and every time this has been attempted, bodies pile to the sky. but nevermind all that, they weren't doing it right, they say.

some people are just scared shitless of personal responsibility. they love having as many rules as possible to follow like the sheep they are.

[-] 3 points by RevolutionCA (33) 8 years ago

That's because people actually read up on Marxism and know that its not about killing 100 million people. But that's something that you wouldn't know anything about. LOL you're the one to talk about sheep. Most of the world is capitalist, most of the world is poor and you still think its a god that must never go away and all people who disagree with you are idiots.

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 8 years ago

It's not about killing 100 million people, yet there they are, the 100 million graves left in marxism's broadening wake. You can whine and cry all you like, but those 100 million corpses are not going anywhere. They are the ultimate indictment of socialism.

[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

and that is the obama plan for the usa.