Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: "Cease And Desist" Order - Many Of The Ruling Globalist Elite (.01%) Are Named

Posted 4 years ago on Feb. 13, 2012, 4:54 p.m. EST by Renaye (522)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

The next critical step is to expose the globalist .01% by name. Most of them are on this cease and desist order found at the bottom of this link;

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1026-financial-tyranny-final?start=2

The undersigned therefore issue this Cease and Desist Order which is to serve as legal notification to the following Parties whom the undersigned deem to have acted in Bad Faith, who may not use, or allow use of, or claim title, or have right or control of all and or any assets, or derivatives thereof, in the attached list of funds and assets, Marked “Annex A” until they provide proof of just account and stewardship to the undersigned -- and until and unless the undersigned issue, on a case by case, transaction by transaction basis, a certificate of allowance for the use thereof, such allowance to be given in writing under their hands only in response to a request by a Government Ministry of Finance.

This Cease and Desist Order is issued and effective from this 5th Day of January 2012 to all Parties specifically nominated and stated below:

  • ACKERMANN, Josef / DEUTSCHE BANK
  • BAN Ki-MOON, Secretary-General United Nations
  • BANK FOR INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS (BIS)
  • BARCLAYS GROUP, London and Worldwide.
  • BAROSSO, José Manuel D., President of the European Commission
  • BERLUSCONI, Sylvio, former Prime Minister of Italy
  • BERNANKE, Ben S., Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
  • BLAIR, Tony A.C.L., former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
  • BLANKFEIN, Lloyd C. / GOLDMAN SACHS
  • BUSH Sr., George H.W., 41st President of the United States of America
  • BUSH Jr., George W., 43rd President of the United States of America
  • CAMERON, David W.D., Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
  • CLINTON, Hillary D.R., United States Secretary of State
  • CREDIT SUISSE (CS)
  • DAVIGNON, Étienne F.J., former vice-president European Commission
  • DIMON, James / JP MORGAN
  • DRAGHI, Mario, President of the European Central Bank (/ex-GOLDMAN SACHS)
  • EMANUEL, Rahm I., Mayor of Chicago
  • FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and all CENTRAL BANKS
  • GEITHNER, Timothy F., United States Secretary of the Treasury
  • GREENSPAN, Alan, 13th Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
  • HSBC GROUP
  • INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND (IMF)
  • KISSINGER, Henry A.
  • MONTI, Mario, Prime Minister of Italy (/ex-GOLDMAN SACHS)
  • NETANYAHU, Benjamin “Bibi”, Prime Minister of Israel
  • PAPADEMOS, Lucas, Prime Minister of Greece (/ex-GOLDMAN SACHS)
  • PAULSON, Henry “Hank” M., former United States Secretary of the Treasury (74th)
  • QUEEN ELIZABETH II. / HOUSE of WINDSOR, The United Kingdom & Commonwealth
  • QUEEN BEATRIX / HUIS van ORANJE, The Netherlands
  • ROCKEFELLER, David Sr.
  • ROCKEFELLER, John “Jay” D. IV
  • ROMNEY, W. Mitt
  • ROMPUY van, Herman A., President of the European Council
  • ROTHSCHILD de, Evelyn R.A.
  • ROTHSCHILD de, David M.
  • RUBIN, Robert E., former United States Secretary of the Treasury (70th)
  • SARKOZY, Nicolas, President French Republic
  • SOROS, George
  • SUMMERS, Lawrence “Larry” H., former Director of the National Economic Council (USA)
  • UNION BANK OF SWITZERLAND (UBS)
  • UNITED NATIONS
  • WOOTTON, David, Lord Mayor CITY OF LONDON
  • WORLD BANK (International Bank for Reconstruction and Development)

  • ALL GOVERNMENT offices in the United States, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium, France and Japan;

  • ALL Commercial and Central BANKS at any location in the world, especially those with a registered office or branch in Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore, United States, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Indonesia, Philippines, Japan;

  • ALL PERSONS, CORPORATIONS or other LEGAL ENTITIES attempting to use these accounts without the expressed written permission of the undersigned.

Remedy may be obtained by way of providing true account of the accounts set forth in “Annex A” hereto attached -- and/or obtaining the specific approval of the undersigned.

Signed : January 5, 2012

           …………………………                                                          …………………………
       Keith Francis SCOTT                                                                Neil Francis KEENAN    

A: List of funds and assets:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Reference: Family Guarantee Heritance. (His Heir Son from Grantee), Last Holder, Signatory, Ownership, PATN, 101371 / Position III.

For the Gold of Certificate Guarantee, Platinum of Certificate Guarantee, and Obligation of Certificate Guarantee, All the writing in the Black Book registered.

Guarantee Secret Code No. 754008979933/GIS/441. FC – 719098 - Union Bank of Switzerland – GTF – 91 – NVS

Reference Code No. M550–7825-9096- M5307-8259-069.34200313.

Statement Code No. VFT/2006747711/NG/4100001109/CFT/3218867571/CFT.6540078688

Heritance Code, No. 0067/D/4515/LM/45/A/00045/INDONESIA/0437756/DC/000045/A/00001

LAST HOLDER CODE, No. BR/274809/CH/48092/INDNESIA/4860/CH/4809/TS/780982 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

134 Comments

134 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22438) 8 months ago

And the bankers, corporations and governments continue to hoard the resources and wealth for the few at the top instead of using them for all of the world's people.

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

They continue, because they have STILL managed to elude the exposure necessary to loosen their grip.

My original idea of naming the ruling elite publicly through protest with signs, remains my #1 choice to have started the ball rolling for mass consciousness that would have paved the way for real change.

A class action lawsuit against these families by 'the people', in conjunction with the public naming, and would have been a direct way of bringing these despicable criminals into the field of vision as well. Some variation of this is certainly still a very possible solution for exposure. BUT, show me the lawyers who would have taken on that case. Lol! Perhaps 'the people' would have had to act as the lawyers for ourselves in sufficient numbers. Who knows.

I will add though, that since my initial thoughts on exposing the oligarchs, my thoughts have morphed to realizing that naming them is only the first step and that even in naming them, the need for true change will not happen unless we are the change. After they're named on a large scale, it'll still take time to wrestle control out of their evil spindly hands.

Too much time. And during that time they have access to dangerous things, like biological weapons and guns....big guns. It will be utterly impossible to win in that situation. It's just too, too far gone for that.

It is my belief that the only way to set up an entirely new system that truly benefits our fellow human beings, 'the people' , is by building it from within, using the existing system. There is ample opportunity to do this and make it grow to a global and powerful enough proportion while still being lawful. Beat them at their own game, so to speak.

The new system would be started using a direct democracy as a way of life, within...of all things...a business!

Perhaps a type of "University City". ;-)

Set up the first one, then repeat the process with 'the people' in every continent. Then connect. Set up our very own People's Octopus.

Sound familiar? Sounds reminiscent of something that happened with a certain banking family and how they set up the Federal Reserve. Haha!

The first link is few more (Canadian) oligarch names and how they came to be and how they tie in globally. Nice work. Followed by a link from the same writer about "The People's Book Project.

I don't know how far the book is coming along, but it is an example of the way more and more people are thinking about "A People's Society", and there ARE people putting their thoughts into actions.

http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2012/05/10/meet-canadas-ruling-oligarchy-parasites-a-plenty/

http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/the-peoples-book-project/

Thank you BeautifulWorld, for connecting this thread from the past to Occupy's Anniversary.

Happy 4th Anniversary OccupyWallStreet!

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

Prof. Daniele Ganser - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY + Solidarity for OWS' Year #5.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

RE: Prof. Daniele Ganser. Thanks ever so much 'ImNotMe', for your introduction to this scholarly peace researcher.

I was so impressed by his keen disseminating abilities of MSM information.

Dr. Daniele Ganser ~ Most wars are resource wars based on False Flags (FULL interview) ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EqFtAlFKuI

Great interview. Thanks too, to the professionalism of a true journalist, 'Journalist Tommy Hansen.'

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 months ago

I think that it is very possible that you may be acquainted with some of Prof. Daniele Ganser's work already but here is a link to remind you .. http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119640.pdf

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Seems like you've fallen even deeper into conspiracy theory delusions. Have you been reading David Icke, or watching Alex Jones? What gives? Come back to reality and get back to discussion Occupy stuff.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22438) 8 months ago

85 Richest People In World Own As Much As 3.5 Billion Poorest - Oxfam

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/oxfam-bus-wealth_n_4616103.html

Those 85 keep the bankers going. They're all to blame and they're all in it together. There is a global 1% these days that works together crossing boundaries to support one another. They build walls for the 99% that don't apply to the them while they hoard all the wealth.

Nice to see you posting Renneye. Solidarity for the upcoming 5th year of Occupy!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Octopus sex sounds exciting. Octopodes can smell, hug, suck, and f#ck all at the same time - £OX#. Cephalopods put their heads on their legs. Perhaps locusts, being relatives, can do some similar things, too.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Public naming and shaming sounds like mob justice. Is that the basis for your 'People's Society'?

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

Oh f#ck off. I remember you.

You were saying the same garbage back then, to me and anyone else who came close to revealing anything about your disgusting elite bosses. Lol!

You sold out piece of shit!

Thanks for rearing your ugly head. It's good to know they're still watching and send in the likes of your infiltrating ass.

Clearly they're still afraid of what kind of threat we 'the people' are to them.

Cheers!

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I'm all for going after people who commit crimes, but mob justice is not the way. Everyone should have the right to a fair trial, or else we'll just have a mob against the people fhey don't like. A great system is one where even your darkest most evil ennemies get fair trials.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

NINCOMPOOOOOOP !!!

Long time, no see.

Hey, how are ya?

Really? I see. Hmm...a fair trial. Sounds like a novel idea. I hadn't thought of that. :-\ Ugh.

Just one question. Until we the people build that 'great system', what magical court do you suppose will put the people who effectively 'own and control' those courts, on trial?

What 0.01% Ruling Elite initiated & controlled oversight organization will make sure that the people see justice served?

Let me guess. Your narcissist ass has appointed yourself to the oversight committee?

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

The 1% is not magically protected. If you have strong evidence of wrong doing, you can bring anyone to court. You could use a Kickstarter campaign to raise the money required. The best is to hand over the evidence to a competent lawyer. Many would jump at the chance to bring a famous rich person to court if they have strong evidence. Many lawyers would do this pro-bono as it would be good for their careers. It has happened many times before.

Do you have a precise example? Some Global Elite for which you have strong evidence of wrong doing and who you would like to bring to court?

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

Hahahahahah!

Oh my god. How naive does a person have to be?

Darn...gotta head out again...back later.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

It would be better if you provided real arguments to back up your position.

It seems to be you're just spewing off conspiracy theory nonsense you got from Alex Jones. And, when you get called on it, there's not much you can do but try to insult and laugh to try to deflect attention from your goofy position.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Only you have the right to be insulting - Hey? Narcissist MUCH ?

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Everyone has the right to be insulting. The proof is that you insult others here.

The question is, will you take the high road and be the better man. Will you choose to inspire instead of to insult?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 months ago

it's not a high road

the path of least resistance is to stick to the subject

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

I try to be a better man every day and will still be trying in the moment I die.

You on the other-hand - seem to think that you are perfect - you don't own up to the fact that you are a name caller you don't own up to the fact that you are insulting - NO - you make excuses and rationalizations - trying to deny that you are a name caller and insulting to others. So - yes - you could very well be seen as a narcissist.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Perfect! In no way am I perfect. I am highly flawed. Flawed in so many ways. I certainly have called people names in the past. Certainly, and it wasn't pretty and wasn't nice. But saying that a person sharing conspiracy theories is a conspiracy theorist is not name calling. That's a simple description. If a person chooses to believe in conspiracy theories, and shares them, why would he or she be insulted if called a conspiracy theorist? Nonsense! Those people call themselves conspiracy theorists.

Ask Renneye. Ask her if she believes the Global Elite are conspiring against us. She will tell you that she does indeed believe that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by poof (17) 8 minutes ago

It's not OK for me, nor anyone else to use name calling and insult others.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Yet you do it anyway and then have the temerity to complain about others that you judge to be doing the same thing.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

As explained above, I do not believe calling Renneye a conspiracy theorist is name calling. That is what she is. However, the person you call a doormat is not a doormat.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 0 points by poof (17) 5 minutes ago

Well, I'm not the BIG moderator who banned everyone from the site. That, my friend, is you.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Still trying to justify why it is ok for you to be a name caller and insulting to others - but it is not ok for others to be?

Grow up!

It is not ok for you tell others = don't do what I do because it is only ok for me to do - not you.

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

It's not OK for me, nor anyone else to use name calling and insult others.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

So you finally admit that you call her a conspiracy theorist - to be derogatory (insulting) to her.

So you admit that you are a name caller - to be = INSULTING.

So - Why don't you try to be a better man - rather than try to pick on me rather than working on your own failings?

See why that makes you a hypocrite now?

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Well, I'm not the BIG moderator who banned everyone from the site. That, my friend, is you.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

No, not to be insulting. I know Renneye quite well. We are good friends. I call her what she is. She knows I don't agree with conspiracy theorists, but it's OK. People can be different. She helped a great deal in the past. She's an ally of sorts.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

You call her a conspiracy theorist - to be derogatory - admit it.

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I personally think conspiracy theorists are deluded and I think what they claim is false. But, that is only my personal opinion.

However, I use it as a descriptor only. This posting is on the Bildeberg Conspiracy Theory that was heavily influenced by the Alex Jones program. A person who posts this agrees with the work of Alex Jones and pushes a conspiracy theory. It's as simple as that.

Wether you believe in the Bildeberg Conspiracy Theory is your business. It's for you to study it carefully and come up with your own interpretation.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by poof (17) 0 minutes ago

As explained above, I do not believe calling Renneye a conspiracy theorist is name calling. That is what she is. However, the person you call a doormat is not a doormat.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

conspiracy theorist = derogatory term (you have already admitted it is)

I consider matt somewhat of a doormat as he complains - but refuses to do anything about it - so = accurate observation on my part.

Your slinging " conspiracy theorist " around however - implies that there isn't a conspiracy. Prove that there are no conspiracies by the wealthy to control populations for their explicit sole benefit. That is what you are saying to Renneye = that there are no conspiracies.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 months ago

candidates site false video #neverforget #senate made believe masked beheader represents people US air strikes #Iraq #IRANDEAL

[-] -3 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

No, not at all. I'm not saying anything really. Just that she's a conspiracy theorist. She might be correct. It's for her to show evidence for her claims.

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Name calling is a tactic used by children. I suggest you develop a more appropriate way of communication. You cannot simply start name calling every time you disagree with someone.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

Well, yeah, there's that...but, you make it so easy. Besides, we've gone over these same debates over and over. They're boring.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Yes, agreed. They are boring. Still, there's no reason for name calling. Simply state that you do not wish to debate said issue. That's all. You are better than the likes of DKAtoday. Do not stoop to his low level.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 months ago

Oh, name calling has it's moments. I don't have time to put you in your place proper.

Hey, at least I didn't default to giving you the raspberry.

Aw hell...

Thr-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r !!

Welcome back.

Later...Nincompoof !!

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I guess name calling does have its place. I just see you as so much better than the likes of DKAtoday. I think you are capable for forming arguments and defending your position properly. That's why I find it sad when you indulge in the DKA way.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Mob justice comes from the same source as the wisdom of the crowd. It worked very well in our frontier days taming the West until the sheriffs and marshals came into town. Yiha!

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

My great grandfather was hung from a post by some white folks in Texas. Because he was black. ISIS operate with mob justice, and many other places in the world as well. I prefer modern justice with trials, evidence, etc... Improving our current modern justice system is the way to go, not going back to tribal times with mobs. Mob justice only works when you're in the mob.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

The real truth is that everyone may very well be in a mob sometime, somewhere, for some reason, or unreason.

My recommendation is that your great grandfather should have turned white in Texas like Michael Jackson did or moved away. If ISIS were to conquer the U.S.A., we should all just say, "Allahu Akbar!" with gusto and bow in mosques in prayers. I am pretty sure that some ISIS members knew about modern justice systems and found them wanting. They probably joined ISIS to get a chance to redress their grievances.

Blood lust is an integral part of all human beings from time immemorial but we have covered it over with modern morality necessary for a cooperative society. Wherever modern morality fails, all naked apes with hottie red asses climb up the trees.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Well said.

I simply find Renneye's position bewildering. We live in a capitalist society where people can build companies and make money. She targets those who do well, the 1%, even if they played by the rules. In her mind, the only way to be in the right is to be poor.

I think it's better to be against the system itself if one does not agree with capitalism. We cannot attack the actors and blame them for following the rules. If you remove a 1%, he will just be replaced by another. Nothing will change.

After carefully analyzing past posts, it seems to me that Renneye might be paid to make OWS look bad. That, or she is truly a conspiracy theorist of wacko proportions. She sounds like an Alex Jones follower.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Capitalism had worked well with unions' counterweights until the capital captured the political system. The so-called capitalism since the 2008 Great Recession was NOT Capitalism at all. It was welfare for the global eelites. They goofed but refused to eat up their own shit.

Remember that many of us eat Hebrew franks - "we answer to a higher authority." If the eelites do not eat up their shit, they can certainly slurp the Hebrew franks up their rear ends, regardless of whether the higher authority is Elohim, Lord God, Allah, or whatever.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Amen to that! Well said brother.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

That, or she is truly a conspiracy theorist of wacko proportions. She sounds like an Alex Jones follower.

Only you can call names and make pronouncements (be judgmental) ?

BTW - how many socks have you got left since jart shutdown the sign-up page?

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist is not name calling. These people call themselves conspiracy theorists. They make websites, books, DVDs, etc... Jesse Ventura had a show called Conspiracy Theory where he talked about the exact things Renneye talks about - Bildeberg, 911 inside job, chemtrails, etc...

Would you rather I call her a Conspiracy Researcher or something else?

If I say she sounds like an Alex Jones follower it's because she talks about the same things you hear on the Alex Jones show. You find that an insult?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

If you are gonna try to chastise me for name-calling - I expect that you should not be doing such. So - you are a HYPOCRITE.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I did not do any name calling. I did simple describing. I called someone who adopts conspiracy theories as truth a conspiracy theorist. It's like calling someone who does science a scientist. That is not name calling.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Name calling is name calling - man up and own what you do.

Doormat is just as much a descriptor as is conspiracy theorist.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Well, you can see what you want.

I'm surprised you would use me as your model to emulate. Even if you think I name call, it shouldn't give you a reason to.

You should strive to be the best. To be a true inspiration. If you think others are using name calling, I suggest you ignore that. It's not an excuse for you to do so as well. Man up. Be better than that.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32749) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Don't try to put your bullshit back onto me - you brought up the whole thing.

How many socks do you have left?

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Socks? Why do you want to know how many pairs of socks I own. To be frank, I never counted my socks. I must have like 20 pairs or so.

Well, listen, if name calling is your way, then so be it. I believe you would be better off trying to be a real inspiration instead of insulting others, but thetas just me.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Because capitalism is worldwide and making unlimited amounts of money is not only legal as per capitalism, but encouraged. The problem is not the actors, its the system.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

The actors power the system. Human batteries can be dislodged from the system to halt it. See the light yet? Any system can be shut down when its power is switched off. Blue sparks help!

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

You want to topple the 1% through armed revolution? Is that what you suggest? Look at the Arab Springs. It didn't bring anything good. Look at Syria. Was it liberated?

The most important thing with a revolution is having a better system to replace the old one. Do you have that? A real thorough full-proof plan. What makes you think that America will be better if you do achieve a revolution and implement a new way?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

We in the U.S.A. achieved willy-nilly the conquest of our West without any armed revolution. We certainly still know this art from our forebears who taught us well. HIV can be the proper model. It is no longer the sure death sentence as in the old days when it inexorably progressed to AIDS. HIV still exacts a great toll on the afflicted. Let me repeat, "Continuous Positive Sub-fracturing Pressure." (It's just too bad if it breaks - [unintended] things happen!)

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Not too sure I understand.

How exactly to you see a revolution playing out?

How what exactly do you see as the replacement for the current system?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Think about our frontier settlers of the West in relation to the treaties that the U.S. government signed with the Original Americans. Think about the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the U.S. loan guarantees for Israel to build them, and the Camp David accords. Could either the U.S. government or the state of Israel do anything about the violations of the promises?

Ask Ukrainians about their having given up their nuclear weapons to Russia under the Budapest Agreement and Russia's annexation of Crimea. Could the other parties to the agreement done something?

No, no, and no, not because they could not but because they would not. Skirmishes with "Indians," Hebrew franks, and the pootinium alloy all showed the way forward. Treaties, accords, or agreements mean nothing if occupations have occurred and there is no will to clear them. Capitalism works well with profit sharing. Occupations can work like that, too, with the zombie spiders, who enforce the so-called "laws." It may not be full-blown AIDS but the U.S.A. will live up fully to the name of one of its states.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Sure, I agree with you, except I sill don't fully understand what you are calling for. Can you talk about the current situation, i.e. not refer to other situations in the past. In plain clear English.

You want to restart occupations with Occupy? Is that what you mean?

If not, what exactly do you want Occupy to do? Do you have a precise plan of action you could spell out for us?

Also, what do you wish to have instead of our current system?

[-] 3 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

On the personal level, we should strive to become self-sufficient as much as possible, zero expense and zero income. Think in terms of satisfying needs, not in terms of earning money. The so-called money is an illusion that if unbroken will enslave you forever under the yoke of the officially deputized counterfeiters.

Besides, I wonder how long our system can last so I hedge. Every single fiat currency has failed or is destined for eternal devaluation to nothingness. It is bad when I found Lincoln's cameo on the penny was stepped upon by people without anyone picking it up. Gee, there could be doggie doodoo smeared onto Lincoln's face! How insulting!

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Physical occupations invite physical attacks which tend to favor the side with the heavy weapons and some will. Mental occupations are far harder to dislodge and even the big guns can be silenced when the minds of the enforcers are changed. Did you see how the Soviet Union fell in Moscow? It fell when the Russian citizens climbed onto the Red Army tanks to protect Yeltsin. The same thing occurred in the fall of the Berlin Wall. The DDR guards held back fire because of the confusion of the order from above. The so-called mob had a mind of its own. The DDR guards got kisses, didn't they?

Confrontations with the enforcers did not help. Mooching up to them may work. Flowers and kisses are all in line with Jesus's command, "Love your enemy." Mind occupation must eventually evolve into physical occupation because everything is physical including minds.

Centralized plan is not as good as customized plans just like how all Communist states have failed relative to Capitalist states.

I want to get Health, Education, Livelihood, and Passion realized in that order. Firstly, I want a universal single-payer national health insurance providing basic healthcare coverage. If we cannot quite reach that, change the laws now to allow Medicare to bargain on the prices of its prescription drugs or throw out the traitors in Congress.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

OK, so you want a mental occupation, and your first goal is health.

How does this translate into reality? How do we go about creating a mind occupation about health? What are the concrete actions to take?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Pass an inheritance tax increase by lowering the exemption amounts to fund a universal single-payer national health insurance. The obvious means now is to sink whoever is the frontrunner in the race for the Presidency if he/she does not sign on.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

OK, so the last two comments you've been talking about modify or passing laws, not some mind occupation.

So, Occupy should be about pushing for new laws? Like, we play inside the system, we don't want a full fledge revolution, just want to change some laws?

Perhaps this is what Micah had in mind? Perhaps Occupy should start a new Political Party, and try to get the support of the population?

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

An octopus has many legs. It does not have to be either this or that. It can be inclusive-or for all of the options. Who is to care if we have our own political party and yet still fraternize with the other parties or enforcers?

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Oh, no doubt about it. Having a multitude of strategies is most likely the best method. It's just that I had asked you, you stated mind occupation, then when I asked you to define that, you jumped to something else. But yes, of course, we can have many methods.

[-] 3 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Over my entire life, I finally came to the conclusion that everything is physical and discrete. The mind, the body, God, Heaven, Hell, ghosts, grass, mushrooms, etc. are all physical so when I say mind occupation I mean that the Will must occupy the mind before other physical realization such as laws can take shape.

The mind and the body are really one and they talk incessantly. Eavesdropping on this conversation can help one's health greatly. God, Heaven, Hell, ghosts, etc. are all here with us on Earth. That's why I quoted a man's stomach as one path to his "heart" (really the emotional part of the brain). Another rather non-disputable path is through his penis. Men often "think" with that.

There are certainly many paths and methods available.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Laws can be the product of mind occupation. We can cleave the hardest rocks by leaking water into and then freezing and melting them. Little by little, even Mount Rushmore's granite will be turned to gravel.

I thought that you disliked a full-fledged revolution. I myself am opportunistic. I walked through bombs-laced streets so I think I can take it again if need be but I do NOT savor repeating the experience. I will take what I can for my people but I don't want them to become refugees.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 months ago

people don't need jobs

they need food shelter health entertainment

those are the "jobs" that need to be done

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 months ago

we approach the economy backwards

needs need to be filled not jobs

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Great! It's the first step to free yourself from the enslavement. The very concept of jobs should be repugnant to all freedom-loving souls. Why does one want to be subservient to others to be employed so that one gets money with a string attached to be yanked back by the eelites through inflation?

That's how the rich got rich, pay labor with wages attached to a fishline and drum into them that inflation is great for wages. Check out what Janet Yellen had said and think about it, wage earners!

[-] 1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Concerning your mind occupation idea. It seems to me that it's just talking about ideas. Nothing special about that. People have been doing it for years. You talk about an idea, then if people like it, if it gets endorsed by a good percent of the people, then it can be put into practice. That's how politics have worked since forever. You just seem to have put a fancy wrapper on that by calling it a mind occupation.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

You miss one point though. It is often not "a good percent of the people" which counts but a single individual strategically positioned. We still live because of these individuals and we cannot progress due to others. The legion of one exists!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

True, there is nothing new under the sun so says the Bible.

[-] 1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I don't have a dislike, nor a preference for any method. What I care about is the end goal, and a method which has a clear way to achieve that goal. If I agree with the goal, and the method is clear enough that I think it might work, then I will give my support.

What I fear are imprecise goals and half baked plans.

For example, I didn't like the Arab Springs because they did not have a clear method of what to do once governments were overthrown. So, there was a vacuum and it was filled by the military in many countries. Like what happened in Egypt, or in Syria.

[-] 3 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

For passion, I want neighborhood workshops supervised by skilled staffs to help people with realizing their ideas. I want match-making services to help people find love and companionships. I want open spaces and green spaces such as parks, gardens, and greenhouses. I want riverwalks.

[-] 3 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

For livelihood, apprenticeship programs can link students to an entry-level job. Industry-recognized certificate programs in high schools can also help students land a first job. The state should provide job hunting resource centers for all to use.

A fun and relaxing space for people to mingle can help. An outdoor cafe in warm weather is ideal but an indoor one in cold weather with good daylight works, too. Linkage to a very close-by research library and laboratories can help, too. Much nooks and crannies space can provide smalltalk locations.

[-] 3 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

For education, I want apprenticeship programs instituted in all of our high schools to train non-college-bound students.

Truth be said here. Very few non-college-bound students will ever use their infinitesimal and integral calculus in their work. They are far likelier to use probabilities and statistics.

All high schools should provide and require computer coding courses for all graduates. Curricula should be revamped in favor of depth rather than breadth of subject coverage. In the future, knowledge will be greatly discounted but good judgment and wisdom will stay valuable. Far too many courses are disjointed from each other. It is most annoying that they tell students about results that the students must take for granted because of the lack of background for understanding.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

What's the end goal you care about?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Neither Egypt nor Syria had their governments overthrown. Maybe you meant Libya.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

There is always the potential for a power vacuum after the overthrow of a government. There are dictators who cling to power by cracking down on potential power vacuum fillers such as unions. Russia's pootinium did just that.

We are in a metastable state so any transition to a stable state requires paying a price first. No pain, no gain but it is important that we don't mess up big time although some fumbling must be expected.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (3800) 1 hour ago There is always the potential for a power vacuum after the overthrow of a government. There are dictators who cling to power by cracking down on potential power vacuum fillers such as unions. Russia's pootinium did just that. We are in a metastable state so any transition to a stable state requires paying a price first. No pain, no gain but it is important that we don't mess up big time although some fumbling must be expected.

  • Of course, nothing is perfect. My point is that you need a plan of succession before a revolution. At least that way you have some chance of success. If you just plan on winging it once you manage a revolution, then the chances are huge that it will fail miserably. Great governments are planned, not winged into being by chance.
[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Having a plan is one thing. Blaring about it worldwide is quite another. Secrecy is vital for any plan of succession because preemptive strikes may come from the power hogs.

Look at Russia recently - crackdown on unions (just because Poland successfully transitioned to freedom through the union organization) and murders of opposition leaders.

Look at China recently - crackdown on churches (just because Poland successfully transitioned to freedom with the help of the Pope).

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Puerto Rico is a part of the U.S.A., not quite a first-class state, with big debt problems. Maybe Puerto Rico can pass some local laws to allow no-tariff importing of generic drugs, rebranding them to export to the U.S. mainland to drive down Medicare prescription drugs' costs. It can be a bailout plan for Puerto Rico, similar to how the U.S. paid Saudi Arabia to institute an income tax instead of nationalizing oil companies, through foreign tax credit provision in the U.S. tax laws targeted for oil companies.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Sure, OK.

But what does this have to do with the mind occupation you were talking about?

Now you are talking about passing local laws.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Mind occupation precedes physical change. Isn't Puerto Rico concrete enough for you? I am telling you that Puerto Rico will come asking the U.S. Congress for bailouts so that will be the perfect time to alert them to their unique position to take care of the problem themselves. Appeal to the stingy politicians in the Congress and they will like it. This idea may even benefit some entrepreneur to make a buck for himself/herself before Puerto Rico asks.

As for the mind occupation of the enforcers, start fraternizing programs for them. Understand their needs and wants and strive to satisfy them with exchanges. As to when physical occupation should commence, the local people involved are in the best position to judge. There was an old saying, "The road to a man's heart is through his stomach." I add that there are more roads than that but they all revolve around the basic human instincts.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Are there groups preparing this mind occupation? Are you part of them? If not, will you be starting mind occupations yourself?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

I do not conspire. I believe that there are groups doing this although I have never interacted with them so I don't really know. I certainly stated years ago that I wanted to win the hearts and minds of my people so I had started my very own mind occupation several years ago.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

I do not conspire. I believe that there are groups doing this although I have never interacted with them so I don't really know. I certainly stated years ago that I wanted to win the hearts and minds of my people so I had started my very own mind occupation several years ago.

I don't think starting a mind occupation would be conspiring. Not sure where you got that idea. Conspiring to what?

[-] 2 points by grapes (4389) 8 months ago

Conspiracy is how the power that be casts the net wide to oppress or stifle dissent so I steer clear of any suspicion of conspiring. You can be thrown into jail if you happen to associate with the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong time. Be very careful of this!

[-] 3 points by Kirby (104) 4 years ago

Looks like a who's who of bilderbergs.

[-] 3 points by PeaceNow (84) 4 years ago

Well, you sure are on the ball! I sure wish Zbigniew Brzezinski's name was on there though. He's a particular brand of evil that one.

[-] 2 points by Kirby (104) 4 years ago

You got that right.

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

There is a book called America's Sixty Families, which was written just before the 1929 crash. My father gave it to me years ago, it's a good reference. Anyway you might want to find a copy of that to see who all the ruling families were and still are.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 4 years ago

Ferdinand Lundberg, 1937 -

"The United States is owned and dominated today by a hierarchy of its sixty richest families, buttressed by no more than ninety families of lesser wealth... These families are the living center of the modern industrial oligarchy which dominates the United States, functioning discreetly under a de jure democratic form of government behind which a de facto government, absolutist and plutocratic in its lineaments, has gradually taken form since the Civil War. This de facto government is actually the government of the United States -- informal, invisible, shadowy. It is the government of money in a dollar democracy."

America's 60 Families list:

http://www.nndb.com/lists/439/000127058/

[-] 2 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

WOW wow wow!!!! Great job! Thanks so much for this compilation of names. May I have your permission to put this into the main posting area if you do not want to do it yourself?

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 4 years ago

Yes- Of course

Information is the currency of democracy. Thomas Jefferson

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

What a great passage from the book, it certainly sums up the current situation and what a sad irony that is. This book really is a must see for all the OWS'ers, I hope they'll have a look.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 4 years ago

What is really upsetting is the massive amount of power that this de facto government wields.

[-] 2 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Yes, it is a layered problem of power, but the power elite's are at the tippy top, and until they are exposed, nothing good will happen. Expose them by name and we'll get somewhere.

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

And how deeply entrenched they are considering history, now how to dig them out and throw them out?

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Exposure, Exposure, Exposure! If OWS would spend some of the OWS money it has amassed on a massive sign campaign with the names of these ruling global elite's (.01%) names on them, the whole world would finally find out who is responsible for the disaster the world has become. The criminal oligarchs need to see their NAMES ON TV!!!!

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

That's a great idea. It beats holding general assemblies discussing, ad nauseum, what everyone should do, and then not much gets done, but this is not to denigrate what they have accomplished thus far.

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Thank you, I'll look it up!

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 4 years ago

Thanks for the mention of that book. I'll watch for it and see if anyone has a site listing those families as they existed at that time.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

Pretty sure that book has been out of print for decades, maybe your local library can locate it for you.

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

How come Dupont isn't on this list?

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Yes! Or the Krupps?! On the website in the link it does explain that this list is not all of them. Perhaps those people are the ones helping the authorities. There will be much corroboration needed to put these people away. Now that the $hit is hitting the fan, they're probably stumbling over themselves ratting each other out. Finally, it looks like something may be starting to happen.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 4 years ago

I hope so, I'm having a hard time imagining just how much worse life could get.

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

That just means you're awake. Hang in there, progress is being made.

[-] 2 points by fairforall (279) 4 years ago

This won't fly with Bill.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 4 years ago

Time for a class action lawsuit!

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 4 years ago

This is great!. :-O

[-] 1 points by livtru (11) 4 years ago

Where's Rumsfeld's name....and Cheney that evil ba$tard?!

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

I see in the news today they're cornering Berlusconi . One down. Yeh!!!!!

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

So who am I talking to this time....Zen or Thrasy?

Both need to happen, but the stage being changed will only go so far. These actors are so despicable and have such influence, that no matter what props are on the stage, they will act out any play they want. They have no director, they recognize no laws. They answer to no-one. They will pull the curtain down over the house if they want.

The theory dropped off this conspiracy some time ago now. They speak about it openly. So run along now...the matinee down the block is showing Zombie Island.

[Removed]

[-] -1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Thrasy, you really could use a vacation. Just a week or two...somewhere peaceful where you don't get so stressed when someone other than yourself uses free speech, maybe de-compartmentalize the personalities down to a dull roar. I hear Florida is lovely this time of year. Or, a nice hillside resort somewhere, like....oh, maybe Vesuvius.

[Removed]

[-] -1 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 4 years ago

We will only have democracy when paupers, not of these select bloodlines and inherited power, are elected to office.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 4 years ago

People are not equal. That is just a fact. Some people are short some are tall, some are born with rich parents and some a born in a slum. Some folks are really smart and some can make music come from a violin that will make you cry.

A lot of what I read in this forum is about why we should fight against one group of people or another because they are different or believe something different than we do. But I have never heard anyone say they hate someone because they have a great talent for playing the violin. Why then do we hate someone because they have a great talent for making money?

[-] 2 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

No no no! You couldn't be more wrong. Nothing at all wrong with people being wealthy. What is abhorrently obscene is when they use that wealth to position themselves and "family" members in such a way that they give 'themselves' and act upon what they consider the "divine right" to make godlike decisions with our lives. These people are so obscenely wealthy, they can move entire countries to their knees, cripple entire markets, cause war...and they do. This is the craziness of the elites playing out before our eyes.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 4 years ago

Can the President of the US cause a war?

Of course, because people are not equal.

Would you like the same ability to influence the president in starting that war as anyone else; say some really rich person?

If the president has to make a decision about an issue that you are interested in who will have more influence over his action, you or his wife? You cannot begin to match her un-elected-to-any-office influence. And there is a line of hundreds of people behind his wife and in front of you in that queue of influence. People are not equal and wealth is just one of many differences.

After we knock off the rich guys, then who's next in that queue that we must go after? The college professors? Smart doctors? Artists? Who else is in that queue in front of you that we should knock off?

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Influence is one thing...above the law is another. And by the way, no-one needs to be knocked off, just so I've protected my proverbial hiney here.

The ruling globalist elite (.01%) have systematically created laws whereby they aren't accountable. How is it that that was allowed to happen? Why is there no universal law, organization, elected high governing body that sees to it that by virtue of wealth, one cannot influence in such a way that does harm?

The ruling elite are megalomaniacs. Are we supposed to just 'hope' that they don't decide one day that they want North America as their private environmental utopia? Are we supposed to be at the mercy of their higher ethics that we don't end up on their shit list if they decide that we're breathing too much of "their" air or drinking too much of "their" water?

They have to answer to NO-ONE. How is that right?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 4 years ago

Is wealth an immediate disqualifier for someone to influence the Gov?

Suppose someone in Congress needs advice on say a new medicine awaiting FDA approval. What better person to speak to than the chief researcher at a rival drug company. Now that person is likely to give them the other side of the story, but if that expert is also the company founder and quite wealthy are they immediately disqualified? Do you not believe that in many cases there is a correlation between great wealth an great intellect?

Why don't we disqualify people from influencing Gov because they are:

A famous singer or actor. A politicians sister or other relative. A pastor, priest, or rabbi. A famous inventor or author. A learned professor.

People are not equal. That is just a fact.

[-] 1 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Maybe I'm not explaining succinctly enough, but I don't know how to be more clear that the issue is not wealth.

No, wealth should not be a disqualifier of influence for government if you're talking about information and educated advice, but I think most people would agree at this point, that money from the elite and corporations should be taken out of politics.

It is when the elite use their wealth to do harm, and there is no governing body or set of laws that hold them accountable, so they see themselves as 'above the law', that I have issue with. I believe that there are people of great wealth that have great intellect, Paul Hawken comes to mind. He uses his wealth to do good. The problem is that there are far more people of great wealth that are greedy and callous who's intellect is questionable because they channel their efforts to accumulating their wealth and even more-so "power" at the treachory of others, stripping the masses of their few dollars and the personal freedoms. How is that intelligent?

Yes, it is a fact that people are not equal. I'm not refuting that. I just know that if I were as wealthy as the ruling elite are, there would not be the suffering, and the butchering of this world's precious beautiful people that is going on today. It is inexcusable. For the elite, it has come down to nothing more than control and protecting 'their own' kind, humanity be damned.

When the elite are held to the same standard as we are when it comes to accountability through laws, then I will believe they have the greater good at heart.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 4 years ago

Sounds like we are in violent agreement.

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 4 years ago

Well, that's one way to put it! Lol! Onward...we have bigger dragons to slay!

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 4 years ago

Everyone on this list does what elected officials allow them to.

You're barking up the wrong tree. None of these people took an oath to the people and the constitution. The ones who did are much more culpable.

[-] 8 points by TheTurtle (12) 4 years ago

The "tree" that Renaye is pointing to is showing that "80 percent of the world's wealth appears to be earned by a "core" of 1,318 corporations, which in turn are being controlled by only 147 companies. 75 percent of these companies are financial institutions -- and the top companies on the list are the Federal Reserve banks. The media has been systematically bought out and controlled by this group -- on a global scale -- meaning that until the rise of the Internet, most people didn't have a clue about what was really going on. The Federal Reserve created 26 to 29 trillion dollars' worth of bailouts for their own companies between 2007 and 2010. This was revealed in their own audit statements -- and confirmed by United States Congressmen and prominent financial analysts...There has been almost no media coverage whatsoever of this staggering theft." Anyway the website is large and it takes time to get through the information.

[-] 2 points by LetsEvolve (9) 4 years ago

You're right, it is large, but your explanation here made me dig in and go through it. It was well worth the time. Thank you. It sheds new light on how the elites do their business and the staggering depth of the corruption we are really dealing with as we remove these people from power. Thanks again!

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 4 years ago

"controlled media" -- laffz

[-] 2 points by PeaceNow (84) 4 years ago

These people have no allegiance or loyalty to anyone. They look out for themselves and their own bloodlines, that's it. These people have a lot of blood on their hands. They let no-one stand in their way. But it looks as though the tides may be changing. I'm wondering why Eric Holder isn't on the list.

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 8 months ago

Sounds like a cheapo Internet conspiracy theory. The kind of New World Order stuff you read about on 'aliens kidnapped my sister and probed her anus' type of web forums.