Forum Post: lyan ryan will get a lesson in math tonight - and women - and the truth
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"For the second time in as many presidential elections, Joseph Biden got to debate a young, attractive Republican candidate who was demonstrably less qualified to to be president than I am to be chairman of the World Bank. Joseph Biden is a very lucky man. The Great Political Matchmaker in the Sky keeps handing him people who are trying — and failing — to fight above their weight class, and he keeps blowing through what can now legitimately be called the Bum of the Quadrennium Club."
MORE: http://occupywallst.org/forum/vp-debate-2012-the-real-paul-ryan-is-bad-for-ameri/
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hey was that you on TP?
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I saw a zd on twitter, poet, Vermont, hat, bird...
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Good work.
Lol you are so easily entertained.
Two big spending facsists, each career politicians, belonging to two parties that we all damn well know are bought out by corporate interests.
Who is tougher on Iran?
Who is going to destroy Medicare the slowest? Whose tax plan is going to ignore the elephant in the room the longest. The taxocde is 75k pages. It will only grow under these two clowns.
Who is going to keep growing the military the fastest. Gotta have the ability to blow up the planet.
America!!!!!!!!
Fuck Yeah!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
America sucks right?
What should we do?. I only ever hear you complain.
Why don't you make some positive suggestions? What course of action do you propose?
Are you simply about attacking? That ain't gonna get us anywhere.
I'll stop "complaining" about government corruption and profits from murder and imperialism when they stop happening
You do know we have for profit prisons in this country right? As well as the world's largest prison population. Am I ringing any bells?
Or should I just ignore all of this and say "God Bless America" or "at least we're not Yemen." ...?
I'm not "attacking" anything. My posts point out problems in America. How can you fix a problem if you don't talk about it and make it apparent to everyone?
Stop trying to silence people.
ain't tryin to silence you. I'm asking you to express a solution. That's the opposite of trying to silence. Do you not understand that, or are you just twisting my meaning? It's easy to complain.
Of course I know about the prison problems. Of course really we are talkin about :
an oppresive laws aimed at certain groups problem,
a prejudiced based police targeting problem,
an inadequate access to legal svcs problem,
an unfair application of justice in court problem.
a profit based on # of prisoner problem.
an effort to take away a certain groups vote problem.
a clever way to move certain groups out of cities and into suburbs for census fudging problem.
No? It's as simple as you pretend. But what remains is what solutions can we suggest.
I think the solution is addressing racism in America. And I would say further there is ONE party who is at the center of all the fear mongering around crime, tough on crime, war on drugs, willie horton, 3 strikes, stand your ground.
C'mon. speak up! You know what the solution is.
WE MUST END THE FEAR MONGERING.!!!!!!
replace racist conservatives w/ tolerant progressives, & protest for change that will benefit the 99%.
Wow that was fun. Let's do another issue. You pick it! Complaining boy!
Let me guess your solution is "Obama did it!" "Obama did it!"
How about what Biden said, "Responsibility"? Where it the responsibility of those who brung us to this dance?? Let's hear that big fat juicy topic addressed. This mess didn't fall from the sky after February 2009!! Show some responsibility or get the hell out of the way so we can do something about it!! Stop the Hostage Crisis!!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/vp-debate-2012-the-real-paul-ryan-is-bad-for-ameri/
That was excellent. About time we hear the truth about the fact that, conservative policies created the great recession, and repubs in congress have filibustered and obstructed the real recovery.
The repubs need to get out of the way on there own or by being voted out.
Open it up. Talk all about it. Con Responsibility. Public Responsibility! You have to hear Randi Rhodes' Friday show! She deconstructs the whole debate with awesome clips and outrage. On line or repeats over weekend if you have a station. THE best!
I'll check it out.
Thx
You will be a RR junkie, but you'll thank me anyway.
I'm sure.
On Today's Show (Randi Rhodes)
Friday, October 12, 2012
It's Friday, ya bastids!
Now that’s how you debate! I think I had almost as much fun watching that as Joe Biden seemed to be having doing it.
Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html#ixzz29Batuvhd
http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html
Hungarian-born billionaire makes anti-socialism case in TV ad
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/12/hungarian-born-billionaire-makes-anti-socialism-case-in-tv-ad/?test=latestnews#ixzz29BQw4h60
Dems are equally to blame for the current situation since they have been controlling the house now since 2007
So you think the dems have controlled the House since 2007?
Sorry I was wrong on that one, actually it has been since 2006
So you think the dems have controlled the House since 2006?
Check again!
Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006, source: http://www.usnews.com/topics/subjects/democratic-party
Well they don't control the House now. So how does that jive with your contention?
Maybe we should send John Bonier your US News article so he could give the Gavel back to Pelosi?
LOL
Yes I do know for how long the dems have controlled congress and it was until 2010. Who would ever forget that year when the dems got a thrashing they will never forget
You forgot.!
LMFAO!!!
Uninformed Americans is such an important issue today. Don't you think?
Yes then we can hear that nut case Piglosi say "we have to pass the bill first, then find out what's in it"
So you have said repeatedly that the dems have controlled the House since 2006.
Have you figured out your mistake yet?
Where do you begin with an ignorant comment like that?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/vp-debate-2012-the-real-paul-ryan-is-bad-for-ameri/
which house ?
"racist conservatives"? the democrats started and supported the KKK.
150 years ago the dems were the party of racists. Not today. The party of racists today are the republicans.
democrats opposed the 13, 14, 15th amendments. they oppsed the civl rights acts of 1957 and 1960. they opposed the United States civil rights commission. jfk had MLK wiretapped and investigated by the FBI. dirksen (R-IL) pushed throught the civilrights act of 1960 < NOT johnson.
And then the racist party became the repub party. And that is how it has been now for almost 1/2 a century.
ok. All done with the history lesson?
cant face the the dems started the KKK?
the dems are the racist party. clintons mentor was fulbright, a supporter of racial segregation, a racist who filibustered the civil rights acts of 1957 and 1964, AND , jesse jackson, al shaprton, alcee hastings,lee p. brown,mary berry,billy mckinney, donna brazile, andrew cuomo.
The dems surely were the racist party and th GOP was the party of Lincoln. Funny how that whole entire script got flipped, isn't it? Nixon was an evil fucking genius. It helped when George Wallace got shot too.
Repubs are anti affirmative action, anti immigrant, against all efforts to correct racism in our society. Dems support and embrace many and all ethnic groups.
Repub Sen Lyndsey Graham recently said "we're not creating enough angry white men" to stay in power. 'Cause he knows they have to stop alienating every group besides old angry white men.
LOL
"Dems support and embrace many and all ethnic groups" They're just not very good at it http://thegrio.com/2012/09/06/under-obama-blacks-remain-far-behind-in-unemployment-and-wealth/
"we're not creating enough angry white men" wouldn't they support affirmative action then?
They are racists so no they do not support affirmativeaction.
And yeah minorities are suffering a grwat deal during this last four years.
Do you remember that we are recovering slowly from the greatest recession in 80 years. Repub created, and recovery slow because of repub obstruction.
Repubs don't care because the 1% (not a lot of non whites among the 1%) did fine during the repub created great recession. And the people who are always hurt the most are minorities.
Anything else?
democrats ( who started the KKK) are cross burners.
Blah blah blah!
LOL.
Minority home ownership went up under Clinton, so I guess you win.
Oh yeah it was "the minority homeowners who defaulted on their mtgs that kicked off this whole mess" LOL
You can't be serious.! So the people who lost everything were to blame.? The victims?
Please. Follow the money. Con jobs are perpetrated by the guys who get away with the loot. You gotta know that.
The bankers fraudulently gave subprime mtgs when the borrowers qualified for better deals. Bankers knew the borrowers would default, .but they bundled the bad loans, got fraudulent good ratings, used cds's, & insured against failures. Then sold them all over the world.
When bankers got in trouble by their own irresponsibility they got us to bail them out by threatening to stop lending. It was blackmail. We got mugged.
The bankers created this mess. The hard working decent American homeowners that were defrauded by the irresponsible, criminal bankers were the victims.
"the banks got bailed out, We got sold out!!"
And don't forget it.
Wasn't enough. Much more must be done. but we gotta get through this massive recession repubs created.
once that is done we should make great efforts to lift up all poor people into the middle class. Maybe that will happen when Hillary gets elected in 2016
Being that so many of those minority home owners defaulted, kicking off this whole mess in the subprime meltdown, she'll have her work cut out for her.
republicans are against ILLEGAL "immigrants". the only people that dems "support and embrace " are the one they want votes from. as for " affimiative action", its racist. yes, thats right , i said racist. its not based on ability, its based on race. i want the best qualified person for a job, not someone who filled a quota or was hired based on skin color or ethnicity.
Do you want to correct the 400 years of oppression against African Americans. If so how? If not why not?
its no nonsense. only a lefty/progressive would think it is.
Whatever.
isn't there a cross somewhere that needs burning. LOL
In about all of you comments you mention the "racist Rep" Tell me, which party started the KKK?????
The Dems 150 years ago, when the repubs were the anti slavery party.
Why? Are you gonna make the ridiculous suggestion that the dem party therefore is the racist party? (Always is one I suppose).
Well let me cut to the chase. In the last 50 years there has been a switch. and Dems have become the party of minority support.
And the racists have gravitated to the repub party. (Nixins southern strategy, Reagans welfare queen assertion, Bush I willie Horton ad, Jesse helms, Strom Thurmond)
Repubs are anti minority, anti immigrant, anti LGBT, anti womens rights, anti elderly earned benefits,
So it don't matterwhat mistake the dems made 150 years ago. eben the racist votes the southern dems made 50 years ago.
The deep south confederate racist states are solidly red. They have kicked almost every dem down there.
These are the realities TODAY. Republican party id no longerthe party of Lincoln.
But I know all republicans aren't racists, but aren't all racists republicans?
the dems started the kkk.
AA does not help anyone. it does a disservice. it perpetuates the myth that minorities cannot make it on their own and will always need a govt program.
AA "perpetuates the myth that minorities can't make it on their own" only for those who already believe that racist BS.
In fact AA only attempts to prevent the pervasive oppression, and racism against minorities. It does a good job at that, and as a result the racist oppressors have been trying to end it since it's inception.
Peace
the topic is state mandated levels of competence base on race, with lower expectations for blacks , hispanics AND caucasions. highest expectations for asians.
The topic is 400 years of brutal racist oppression.
Inferior education is one element of the current brutal racist oppression. Alcohol/Drug trade targeting minorities. Substandard housing, Police abuse. Judicial unfairness.
Every area of our society has some element of brutal racist oppression.
I thought that was the topic. No?
again, free breakfasts have not been eliminated.
They also cut all construction improvements in the minority districts. Do you think falling plaster is a problem in learning. What if half the class rooms are unuseable. Do you think it make a kid feel like theres no use in trying?
I think 1/2 the schools in the state have no library and 90% of them are in minority neighborhood.
Do you think libraries are important to learning?.
Wanna talk about who has computers in school and who don't?
free breakfasts have not been eliminated.
I think they only eliminated the breakfasts in the minority districts.
i have no idea of the politcal stance of the Florida State Board of Education. its not aboout the "opportunity" its about the capability. math has no ethnicity. the abiltity to do math , to learn math ,has nothing to with race. re hunger, there are govt school breakfast and lunch programs.
They cut the free breakfast when the selfish greedy tea party repubs decided they wanted to keep their taxes low.
They figured it mainly helped poor minorities and they didn't want their tax dollars going to those non whites.
Isn't that what you said also?
the state of florida recently passed a plan for racially based academic goals.by 2018the state wants 90% of asian students, 88% white students, 81 % hispanic students and 74% of black students to be at or above reading level. for math, its 92% asian, 86% white, 80% hispanic and 74 black students to at or above grade level. Either they are equal to the task and can do the job or govt has admitted that they're inferior and will always need help. WHY are there different standards for different groups?
Your asking me why the republican racists in Florida have different standards.
How am I supposed to know? Do you think that White kids, & hispanic kids have the same opportunity to learn?
Do you think tests and curriculum favor one race over the others. Do you think poverty affects the ability to learn.? How about hunger? do kids who ain't eaten have a disadvantage?
Should we care? Shouldn't we just say hey I got mine, You're on your own!
AA is racist and insulting. AA says that blacks arent good enough to succeed by themselves, that they must have govt as their proponents.
You are mistaken about AA saying minorities aren't good enough to succeed. Doesn't say that at all.
It says that we must take extreme action to prevent the white racism that holds down and oppresses minority groups.
the irish and italians and the jews in the usa were discriminated against. they succeed without government "programs" all AA does is turn people into permanent victims and it supports the misguided and insulting idea that they are incapable of succeeding on their own.
No group has struggled and suffered for 400 years so completely and utterly.
To suggest otherwise indicates either a lack of understanding or a level of prejudice that prevents you from seeing the truth.
Peace, Good luck in all your good efforts.
with land and water most can farm
with lot's of land , one can hunt and gather
aa contends that blacks are too stupid to succeed on their own. aa and quotas have a negative effect. aa enforces the the mindset that a black person does not have try hard or achieve much in high school, aa will get him/her into college. same with work, why make an effort and do the best you can when you skin color will get you reults.
Only anti AA right wing wacko racists believe that non sense.
AA is paternalistic program. it pushes and supports the false idea that blacks and other groups cannot succeed without govt help. it supports he false idea that blask are too stupid to achive anything on their own merits.
Nah. Only the racists repubs who have always been against AA and minorities in general repeat those right wing racist lies.
AA is an attempt to PREVENT white racist oppression of minorities.
AA does not prevent racism, it perpetuates it.you are not allowed to discriminate due to race, why should you be rewarded because of your race or ethnicity,...............................which is exactly what AA does. AA puts race ahead of qualifications.
You are mistaken. but that repub talkin point is a good excuse to end AA. Which is the racist right wing goal. Wouldn't want such an effective program continue to help minorities would we.?
It's just not based in reality.
AA does not correct anything. it makes perpetuates blacks as victims . it insulting and condescending. why should anyone be given a job or be accepted to a school based on race or ethnicity? you either qualify or dont based on your own record. not a phoney AA requirement that a quta be filled.
No one should get a job because of their race. AA simply attempts to prevent racism. It seeks to prevent people from being refused a job based on race.
Do you support refusing someone a job because of race? Do you think that happens? What should be done about it?
i have speaking about AA being racist and insulting .
And as you can see right above the topic is what to do to "correct 400 years of oppression".
So answer the questions please.
affirmative action is racist. its divisive . AA turns people into victims. it makes sure that people cannot succeed on their own merits. the irish ( No irish need apply )and italian immigrants of the last two centuries were not hired because of the ethnicity, yet they perservered and succeeded WITHOUT govt "programs".
The differences between Irish/italian difficulties is as vast as the oceans are wide.
Not a valid comparison. Sorry.
So then you don't support any effort to correct the 400 years of oppression against African Americans?
in case you havent heard slavery was abolished in 1865.affirmative action is not an answer to anything, its a feel good program . if you arent good enough , than you arent good enough for a particular school or job. why should you be accepted or hired based on your skin color? if i were trapped in a fire i would want the best firemen available, ones that did the best on the standard mental and physical tests, not the ones that were chosen because of their race or ethnicity.
I think it is program to ensure that minorities aren't discriminated against. Not to give them something they don't deserve or unable to do.
I think you don't understand the way the program works.
And the end of slavery was the beginning of new brutal oppression that lasted another 100 years. Since the 60's there has been continued oppression but a little less brutal.
So should we do nothing to correct what we have done to destroy therace of people who have built the nation, fought in every war and here longer than most including your family.
Nothing?
TM you're especially lost and hysterical lately. What's up?
Is talking about issues that none of these candidates talk about not favoring your interests?
Is calling all these candidates out for hypocrisy and self contradiction not suiting you?
I do not support murderers and warmongers that do nothing to reduce the world's largest political prisoner population. That's all there is to it. You can call it lost and hysterical... I call it logical.
You endured a little flack here today, but I for one love to see your rippingly sarcastic remarks, as in: America!!!!!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!!!!!!!!
I know you don't need my hugs but just go on pointing out the problems, and if someone has solutions well maybe you inspired them.
To your critics I say c'mon are all on the same side here, we are all doing the OWS gig - only 10% of the 99% are with us so far, lets keep who we got!!
Thanks for the good words
WE are the 99% - a primary tactic to ruin the movement is to turn us against each other, and it happens without even trying. Bickering & bitchin' at each other... we learn it from TV. Support each other, slam the ruling class!! [like you do]
That is one tactic they use.
This is another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWXm3cd5S-o
A sad reminder. I still had trouble believing my eyes when I saw this happening in our country.
Oh gawd.... Thanks for posting that - have a look everyone, just to remind ourselves not what we are up against but what we are fighting FOR - a police state is UnAmerican.
Out tactic - get the police officers on our side!! We are the 99%
Get them to understand that they are also the 99%, that they are working for the 1%, and that won't be good for the police in the long run. When the shit hits the fan, the cops will be tossed into the blender along with the rest of us.
Good luck with those Unicorns, man.
Actually it's a quadricorn.
Just be happy with every rotten bastard who wins office because people were too discouraged to vote.
Meanwhile, there's still time in some states:
http://www.rockthevote.com/rtv_voter_registration.html?source=rtv.com-homegraphic
Why would I be happy with people not voting?
If the people who don't vote decided to vote for someone outside of the 2 party system... they'd win almost every time.
More discouraged voters just need to muster up some guster and vote outside of the status quo.
Infrastructure for thirds is not there, and won't be while the GOP has any influence. Libertarians are just GOPers who like pot. So NOW a third party vote is a vote for the GOP. The GOP is completely owned and controlled by the 1%.
Dems sue the shit out of 3rd parties just as much as the GOP does. And are constantly changing the rules.
Go ask Nader. The DNC sued him repeatedly.
Irony and nuance, lost on entire generations.
You dont like the truth very much do you?
The Dems don't want legitimate 3rd party candidates any more than the GOP does. Let's be real. Neither of them want them because it reduces each of their individual chances of winning. That is just math.
The exceptions don't make the rule.
You are wildly misinformed on third party suppression.
The 2 party system is controlled by the 1%... Divide and conquer is their strategy.
Where do you think the 2 parties get the billions from?
Here is a list of reasons why they fund the candidates they do - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-government-works-for-the-1-this-includes-ryans/
When you coral the Unicorn that allows third party viability just by abstinence, post a pic.
Meanwhile ~ in the real mean and messy world of democracy, propaganda and low-information disengaged Voters ~ we'll try to keep autocratic 1% tin horns from taking control of our government. Utopia would be nice, unless pursuing it plunges us into another 8 years of GOP hell!! The carnage of which we will be clearing for decades. Please stop sabotaging.
http://www.rockthevote.com/rtv_voter_registration.html?source=rtv.com-homegraphic
I'd rather believe in "unicorns" than vote for frauds who will kill mass numbers of civilians in 2013.
bombs are murder
I'll leave the bad voting choices up to you and the rest of the people who have let the tv tell them how they MUST vote and what their ONLY TWO options are.
in regards to your comment below.
LOL you call me delusional because I don't want to vote for Obama or Romney..... Get over it. You are a joke.
Hell is made up. It's not real.
The road to hell is paved with utopians chasing Unicorns! You're on you delusional own.
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
100% of the nation voting for Romney and Obama, and Dems and Reps, would get us exactly what we have right now- two corrupted, bought out banker owned parties.
That's the GOP campaign tactic for this demographic.
No, thats the truth that you hear all over occupations everywhere. You're just as bad at the GOP by labeling those who want better as traitors. They do the same thing.
Try showing up more often than Saturday rallies and you might learn something.
You're ridiculous.
Ryan is really folksy
Best part was that Biden got to publicize the Republicon guilt verdict for disgraceful Norquist Pledge, obstruction and hostage taking. Glad Martha dodged the Rufy that Lehrer didn't dodge.
Now Barack Obama can talk tough without a disgusting "Uppity Negro" charge!
I hope Obama is even MORE explicit about elected reps pleding to noquist
Whatever he does it will be awful, out of line, indecent and way above his station.
That is a very potent issue that people do know know enough!
I think it can hurt many Repubs. And I agree Pres Obama should use it strongly which should allow many down ballot races to move away from the right wing wackos.
I like the Norquist pledge. I see nothing disgraceful about it. The government should not take money from the public unless it is needed.
We have a Constitution! Not a a fucking lobbyist pledge!!
EVERY Democrat should be shouting this every day
Perhaps I should go back to snail mail, it worked with Clinton.
That lobbyist is protecting my hard earned money and if it wasn't there, then the government would be taking it and impeding my liberty. The politicians don't uphold their end of the oath to the constitution to protect the people's liberty.
The RepubliCon Bush-Cheney regime and Congress failed to "uphold their end of the oath to the constitution to protect the people's liberty" when they let 9-11 happen after numerous warnings, and let Big Biz and Wall Street defraud and rob us blind with deregulation and Laissez Faire governing.
The vile Grover Norquist and his anti-American anti-Constitution "Pledge" is the Mobster Bagman equivalent of K Street!
“Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." You're using it while on line.
Both the Bush and Clinton administration failed to respond to the threat of Al Qaeda. Deregulations had nothing to do with the mortgage bubble as regulations do not stop bubbles. They never have and never will. Bubbles can occur from monetary excess which is the bigger problem. This has been proven over 300 years of monetary study.
There were laws broken and both the Bush and Obama administrations refuse to prosecute. Why Dick Fuld from Lehman is not brought up on charges is beyond me. It sends a horrible hazard message.
I don't expect the government to protect me and do the right thing. No matter who is in office they will be corrupted hence I don't want the spending my money.
I don't expect the US government to create a civilized society for me. I and my neighbors do that. Looking at President Obama's background , would you want him dictating morality to you?
Mortgage fraud and casino capitalism were the result of deregulation and the means in which the Banksters robbed us blind! See the Oscar winning documentary "INSIDE JOB."
If you want to be on your own fighting for whatever the greedy top 1% drops then Vote Republicon. They will provide all the fascist dictatorship you could desire. But if we want to be all together on the welfare of the whole society in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and in truth, justice and the American way, Vote Dem. In a social democratic republic, the government is messy but ours, for us, and doesn't dictate.
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US policy created al kidda
Disagree, US policy did not create Al Qaeda or terrorism.
But the Norquist pledge does not allow taking money from the public even if we need it!
You don't think that if we truly needed it - to fight WWII for instance - that Congress wouldn't temporarily raise taxes? The problem is that Congress has no discipline and they waste the money on pet projects.
projects like unneeded weapons and military contracts
Repubs did not raise taxes for the 2 longest wars in US history (iraq/Afghan)
In fact it was the1st time we CUT taxes during war time.
So no I do not think the norquist pledgers would raise taxes on the wealthy (as they should) during wartime.
It is traitorous that a representative has committed their loyalty to someone besides the constitution, or theirt constituents.
They should be voted out of office for this crime.
They have committed their loyalty to their constituents and protecting their hard earned money as compared to the corruption of Washington and the lobbyist. They are doing the opposite of stealing which is the real crime.
If taxes are to be raised then eveybody needs to pay,not just those who have done the best. Why would we want to penalize those are earning the most, that makes no sense.
I don't believe that
Repubs have committed their loyalty to Norquist NOT their constituents. Thats the point. The repubs ONLY help the1%. Andconitually hurt therest of us.
So we're not penalizing the wealthy by raising their historically low taxes. We just need them to finally do their fair share. I mean they have done very well in our country. It's time they contributed to the recovery from the crash that the wealthy created.
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so you are a good Rs
doing what david & charlie tell you to do
I am not sure what that means?
Simply put, you can't be a Congress man or women sent to Washington to compromise with the other side if your hands are tied. Congress goes to Washington to debate and compromise, not say, "fuck you it's my way or no way."
All those who signed the pledge have made a mockery of our system. They have sold their respectability to the highest bidder.
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It was more lopsided than Obama/Romney debate.
HEY! Live Fact Checking on ThinkProgress: http://thinkprogress.org/
thanq WSmith
think I saw ZD on there
On Today's Show (Randi Rhodes)
Friday, October 12, 2012
It's Friday, ya bastids!
Now that’s how you debate! I think I had almost as much fun watching that as Joe Biden seemed to be having doing it. The relentless lying of Romney and Ryan is a problem, and it’s horrifying to think that their strategy might work. Joe’s attitude told us that we can deal with it. All you have to do is keep a smile on your face… oh, and go ahead and laugh out loud at the really bad lies. Joe Biden believes that you cannot call a person a liar, even if they are blatantly lying. But he also knows you can use facial expressions to let everybody know that you know that they are a liar. The takeaway from this debate is—don’t be afraid to stand up to the malarkey! Some people are saying that using a term like malarkey makes Joe Biden sound old. That’s a bunch of hogwash! It’s horsefeathers, hokum, hooey, bunkum, and slushdoodle. OK, I made that last one up. Let’s just put it this way—it’s a “bunch of stuff.” Yes, at another point, Joe Biden used the phrase “bunch of... stuff.” I think he got halfway into it and decided that he had done enough dipping into the Big Book of Jazz Age Colloquialisms.
Once again, if you want to properly gauge how well Joe Biden did, just take a look at how poorly Fox News was trying to say that he did. Brit Hume actually called Joe Biden a “cranky old man.” Look, the guy is no spring chicken, but I guarantee he’s younger than anybody watching Fox News. (And yes, I deliberately used the term “spring chicken” so that the old-timers watching Fox News would understand.) Besides, what’s more likely to make an old guy cranky than a bunch of lies? Remember Big Daddy’s diatribe about “mendacity” in “Cat on Hot Tin Roof”? Did Joe laugh and smile at the things Paul Ryan was saying? What is he supposed to do when Ryan says Mitt Romney is “a car guy”? He’s lucky Biden didn’t throw up in his lap.
It’s somewhat less difficult to fact check this particular debate. Oh, Paul Ryan told plenty of lies... but at least Joe Biden began the fact-checking process during the debate itself. According to Think Progress, Paul Ryan told 24 myths in 40 minutes. That’s a lot of myths! He’s the Bullfinch’s Mythology of politics. Paul Ryan was spinning so many myths that I’m surprised that he didn’t get around to telling how Zeus made love to Leda in the form of a swan.
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"Let's look at it this way".
Joe just kinda bitch slapped him.
Well I don't know about that - but i did see a continuation of the whole rhetoric of mittens and ayn = we can do it better with less. But how we all ask = well that would "BE" determined later. You have nothing to lay out now - sure we have plans. """"?"""" What would be those plans???? Well that would be determined bypartisanly. Ummmm but I thought that you had plans??? And we do!!! Ummm but what are they??? ( OMG - when will everyone stop asking thjat question???? )- Ummm as I said to work in a bypartisan manner ( now shut the fuck up - will you??? )
LOL.
But but ...they DO have plans....It's just no one is gonna like em so..... They ain't gonna tell. {;-[
That's what I am getting from it.
"certemente" ( "of course" ) you are one of the few in this world who is going through life with your eyes open.
Besides he side steped and did the 2 step and the shuffle off to buffalo to avoid a repeat saying of - well were wizards so nough said. Hah - to you Biden. BTW - glad you failed to ask how we wizards were planning to pay for the naval build-up that mittens keeps talking about.....hmmm?.... you weren't briefed?....whew....well now that the masturbate is over I guess there is no harm in filling you in - mittens wants 15 new ships and 3 new submarines ( was that just the one set? I can't rememberise - f'n lying running mate - hmmm it might have been per year for a certain number of years - OH Well Dodged another bullet - Hah )
They could save the drama if they presented them.
Hell, even a pie chart.
Aahhhha-piechart - DOH!!!
Yeah, I forget the name of the guy that ran some 20 years ago, independent or something, threw the election. Made a pie chart. It was mindblowingly wrong but, Americans like pie.
Something, man, something..........a pie chart.
Ross? Is that what happened? Huh - I musta been at work - " " " " ? - WTH - Of course I was at work 12 - 16 per day - my how time flies when you are removed from it. Huh.
Yes, that is the dude.
So, no pie for you?
Spunky little guy - almost had a chance too - would probably be a landslide victor today ( his own damn private superpak ).
He won 19% of the popular vote - even after dropping out of the race because of threats to his family. If he stayed in he'd gotten more.
Nope - no pie - SIGH {:-{ ......
It's ok. It was bad pie anyway.
OH - well - then - GOOD {:-]) I mean I hope you didn't have any bad pie {;-(
Not at all. He was quite animated.
HERE COMES THE MATH >
9:31 pm Ryan: Romney didn't want to let Detroit go bankrupt because he's a 'car guy' Share FacebookTwitterTruth: Romney wrote an op/ed for the New York Times in 2008 called “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.”
LATEST UPDATE 9:34 pm Ryan opposed the stimulus, then requested funds from it Share FacebookTwitter Biden just referenced Ryan’s stimulus letters. Here they are. Though he called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act “a failure,” Paul Ryan took full advantage of it and requested money for an energy company in his district. He wrote at least five letters to Secretary of Energy Steven Chu expressing his support for grant applicants from his district and asking that they be given “prompt and full consideration.” Ryan claims he did not know about the letters until recently, though his name is signed at the bottom of each one. Watch his defense:
LATEST UPDATE 9:36 pm Ryan’s attack on Obama’s Medicare plan is highly misleading Share FacebookTwitter Ryan says President Obama “funneled” $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for the Affordable Care Act, ignoring the fact that his own budget makes the exact same cuts to the program. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says the cuts Obama wants to make do not come at the expense of Medicare beneficiaries — as Ryan claims — but rather, from hospitals and health care providers in the name of cutting down on waste and increasing efficiency. In addition, the CBO also estimates the cuts will extend Medicare’s solvency by eight years. Fact checkers said Ryan’s Medicare statements are “mostly false.”
LATEST UPDATE 9:38 pm Ryan advocated for privatizing Social Security Share FacebookTwitter Don’t let Ryan’s apparent concern for seniors confuse you. Ryan has advocated for privatizing Social Security. If that had happened when Ryan pushed for it in 2008, people with private accounts would have fared significantly worse during the financial crisis, likely losing an average of $26,000 and having a negative real rate of return of -0.6 percent.
LATEST UPDATE 9:44 pm 90 percent of seniors are satisfied with Medicare Share FacebookTwitter Biden pointed out that, contrary to Ryan’s assertions, the majority of seniors are satisfied with their Medicare coverage. He’s right. A full 90 percent of seniors report that they are satisfied with their coverage under Medicare Part D.
LATEST UPDATE 9:52 pm Ryan cannot explain Romney’s tax plan Share FacebookTwitter Ryan is trying his hardest not to give an explanation of the Romney-Ryan tax plan. Martha Raddatz just called him on it. The reason he can’t give more details is because the plan doesn’t make mathematical sense. Their plan to reduce rates across the board by 20 percent, and pay for it by cutting deductions, would force tax increases taxes on 95 percent of the population, while those making more than $200,000 would see a net tax cut.
Ryan avoids the question of who will pay more taxes Share FacebookTwitter Because Romney’s tax plan is projected to raise taxes on middle class families by at least $2,000.
LATEST UPDATE 9:56 pm About those 6 studies Ryan was talking about... Share FacebookTwitter Ryan claims that 6 studies say the math adds up on the Romney-Ryan tax plan. If those are the same studies Romney has touted before, they prove that Romney would have to raise taxes on the middle class in order to keep his promise not to lose revenue.
LATEST UPDATE 10:14 pm Biden presses Ryan for details on foreign policy FacebookTwitter Romney/Ryan have continuously criticized Obama’s foreign policy strategy without offering any viable alternatives. For instance, asked about Syria during the debate, Ryan actually pointed to a similarity: “We agree with the same red line they do, on chemical weapons…they’re right about that.”
ABORTION
LATEST UPDATE 10:18 pm Ryan can’t defend his budget with Catholic teachings Share FacebookTwitter The US Conference of Catholic Bishops sent letters to various Congressional committees harshly criticizing Ryan’s budget, saying it disproportionately cut programs that “serve poor and vulnerable people.” These programs include food stamps, Medicaid, and other parts of the social safety net — the tools our society uses to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves..
The truth about the contraception mandate Share FacebookTwitter Religious institutions haven’t been forced to “violate their conscience” by paying for contraception, as Ryan insinuated. Obamacare’s contraception mandate contains a “widely accepted compromise that exempts houses of worship and other religious organizations from covering contraceptive services they object to.
Ryan has opposed abortion access for rape victims since 1998 Ryan just stated that he and Romney support an exception for rape victims. But in reality, Ryan does not think rape is a valid reason for a woman to seek an abortion.
LATEST UPDATE 10:21 pm Obama doesn't fund abortions abroad Ryan misunderstands the Obama administration’s policy, which allows foreign aid to fund lifesaving organizations that also may provide information about abortion or abortion services.
LATEST UPDATE 10:23 pm Ryan co-sponsored 'personhood' amendment While Joe Biden said the Catholic Church believes that life begins at conception, the Vice President said he would not impose that value on anyone else.
But Ryan co-sponsored a radical “personhood” amendment that endows a fertilized egg with “all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.” This type of legislation would outlaw abortion, invitro fertilization, and some forms of contraception.
LATEST UPDATE 10:26 pm Ryan says 'unelected judges' should not set our abortion policy But he wants five unelected justices to set our health care policy. And he gave a speech last year suggesting that unelected judges should impose “limited government, low taxes, [and] sound money” upon the country, regardless of what our elected officials enact.
The Constitution says nothing about judges setting economy policy — it say that choice belongs to the people’s elected representatives.
JOE HIT A GRAND SLAM & SO DID THE MODERATOR
IF OBAMA had done this to willard, this race would be over
You just gobble this bullshit up dont ya?
LOL. Regular Joe was great!
Lyin Ryan seemed like a lizard!
Dem partisan party of one your table is ready.
That's right boss and proud of it!
Replace pro 1% conservative w/ pro 99% progressives, & protest for change that benefits the 99%
"it's the only way to be sure"
Pro 99% lol you are a joke, catch phrases with no substance are so important to you dems. You are a useful idiot.
More meaningless insults!
You got nothing! Consider yourself dispatched, & dismissed.
What ever helps you sleep at night, lol the partisan hack with an empty bowl telling other people they got nothing lol classic march on party hack march on.
More meaningless personal attacks. One trick pony!
No facts, nothing important. Nothing of consequence.
Nothing!
And Joe also said Ryan "voted to put the wars on a credit card..."
Which is true... and Joe voted YES on everything right there with him. But you don't care about stuff like that? Both men not only lied on stage but also completely contradicted themselves on several issues.
Which liar should I vote for? The guy who lies a lot or the guy who lies a ton? LOL
What about the people that want to talk about increasing minimum wage, reforming monetary policy, and ending the wars now?
I saw 7 years of war under Bush and with the Afghanistan exit strategy we'll see 6 under Obama...
America... Fuck Yeah!
KBR Fuck Yeah!
Raytheon Fuck Yeah!
Goldman Sachs Fuck Yeah!
World's largest prison population Fuck Yeah!
Spying on Americans Fuck yeah!
Indefinite detention laws Fuck yeah!
Bombing foreign countries Fuck Yeah!
Freedom is the only way yeah!
Not until Romney makes the call Tuesday night.
Loved the "It's about time they (RepubliCons) take Responsibility... Norquist... GOP Hostage Crisis"!!!
I applauded when he got out the norquist line
He did his job well
Abortion? You want the freedom to have one? If you want one, pay for it yourself. Don't make the taxpayer fund it.
Your right to freedom includes my right to be free from you.
Iran has no weapon capable of carrying a nuclear weapon. That's what the Obama administration says. Ummm....I'm afraid Biden is wrong.
Face reality, people care about the economy more than anything but republicans have about zero credibility when it comes to who has what weapons after what they pulled with Colin Powell, WMDs and Iraq.
Where are they, sitting next to Iraq's WMDs?
Dirty bombs. Artillery. Missiles they presently possess.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-obama-should-say-tonight/
A lesson in math? Do you really believe Papa Joe can count over 5 with his shoes on? It was a cute line of Clintons. Cute, not accurate.
Hopefully Biden won't screw this one up.
As long as the people still think this is as good as it gets tomorrow, then they both did their job.
Meanwhile about 5% of us will be shaking our heads, wondering how people fall for this garbage decade after decade after decade...
Yes we need a revolutionary party that contests the elections, organizes workers, fights for the minorities and takes to the streets. Tall order, I know, that;s what's needed.
politifact judgement:......BIDEN.....ryan
true / mostly true.................43...........32
false / mostly false..............29........... 36
pants on fire.........................5............. 8
OOPS!
the numbers are accurate BUT they are for ALL statements- NOT just today's debate !
Whose killed more people?
Two more years to rack up the totals!!
To hell with simply not throwing them into harms way. Thats wimp shit I guess.
From Joe Biden???
Joe Biden math- Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Joe Biden (US presidential election rally Oct 2008)
Joe Biden and women-
"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul." --Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010
Joe Biden truth- When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, "look, here's what happened."
(In interview with CBS News, September 2008. However, Roosevelt wasn't president in 1929 and televisions were still experimental.)
Yes DK...I actually DO have popcorn.
please dont make me remind you that Obama's JOBS plan from a few weeks ago was killed by the Rs in the house - like lyan ryan
Thanks for sending me the link bensdad. From your link:
"Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president's congressional "to-do-list," refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.
In voting against the bill, Republicans raised both substantive and procedural problems with the measure.
The bill fell four votes short of the 60 needed to bring it to debate, with 42 voting against it. Four GOP senators -- Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Dean Heller of Nevada -- voted in favor of the bill."
First, not a few weeks ago-3 months ago. Second this report says it failed the SENATE (not the House) which is controlled by Democrats, and it even had 4 GOP reps voting for it. It also says they did it because the bill had substantive and procedural problems. Third-it was not OBAMA's job plan, it was an initiative proposed by Michigan Democratic Senator.
What JOBS plan was that and why was it killed?
The only jobs plan we need is reform of the monetary/tax/trade/and foreign policies, of which neither party, much less person, has the ability to implement.
In response to your suggestion that progressive policies have created the "banks gone crazy" debacle.
Banks gone crazy is a result of weak regulations which is conservative policy 101. So conservatives who blame progressives (who press for stronger regulations) are wrong. & likely just trying to twist the truth to cover their failed approach.
Sorry.
The right also likes to point that all the smut and sex on tv are the result of progressives, not conservatives.
I personally think that the amount of trash on tv is out of control, but its going to happen regardless.
Just trying to play devils advocate here. I know most of the lefts and rights talking points on stuff, and usually they are both wrong :)
They can make the argument that its the result of gov and bank partnerships, like the bailouts. The right likes to call it progressive policy. The left likes to call it conservative deregulation.
In truth, its just raw fascism.
calling it fascism is just a weak attempt at minimizing the conservative policy of weak regulations at the center of the irresponsible bank behavior.
The bailouts came after the destructive bank actions. And it may not be conservative to bail out failing business, it certainly ain't nationalization which would be the progressive approach.
And even though you can argue it wasn't true conservatism, we all know that it was conservatives who crafted and pushed through the TARP bailout, because it was aimed at helping their corp 1% constituents.
And of course the dems caved in to vote forthe conservative crafted TARP.
Hows dat?
Calling it facsism is the truth. When both parties are working with multinationals, its not conservative or liberal, although each side will claim its the other.
You see the same arguements, but in reverse, on conservative sights and radio.
Its all garbage. Libs blame cons, cons blame libs, in reality they have both been neglecting what their parties stand for, for a very long time. They both want very big, aggressive gov, lots of spending and very little oversight of the banks.
Progressive pass, & want stronger oversight of banks.
Conservatives have obstructed, watered down, & vowed to repeal bank regulations.
To suggests the parties are the same in general and on this specific issue is not accurate & is just a weak attempt to minimize the reality that conservatives support weak bank oversight.
I dont see the Dems creating a bill in the House on restoring Glass Steagall? Do you?
They tried something similar and the repubs defeated it.
Repubs watered down the fin reform, And have delayed the detailed regulation writing in committee for almost 3 years.
Repubs have also defeated the Volcker rule and vowed to repeal the entire fin reform bill.
Do you have a link to this bill?
The fin reform bill I am referring to is called Dodd-Frank.
Oh, that piece of garbage. All that did was strengthen the banks. Glass Steagall was never even considered.
Im talking about Dems saying this is bullshit and putting a bill together for glass reinstatement, and placing in front of the house for a vote.
Nah it ain't like dating a model at all.
It's like raking in massive profits and knowing that the dems are gonna push through regs that is gonna hurt your profits.
It's just like that. So you squeal like a stuck pig, & you call in yourrepub tools to obstruct, delay, & hopefully repeal.
This is a massive battle that they are desperate to win by electing more pro 1% conservatives.
Your transparent efforts serve those bankers and the repub tools that do their bidding.
LOL
"It's like raking in massive profits and knowing that the dems are gonna push through regs that is gonna hurt your profits."
These two parties were bought out long before OWS came about. If you cant see that, you are blind.
RECORD PROFITS.
No offense, but claiming Im serving the right and the bankers because I say the two party system is busted is very transparent of you and your goals.
Good night troll.
http://www.nationofchange.org/jp-morgan-chase-sets-profit-record-ceo-complains-about-regulation-1350098077
Dude, they ALWAYS want more. Complaing about regs is nothing new here. Thats what they do. The key part is RECORD PROFITS.
Its like the guy who is dating a model but complains she talks too much.
"fuckin dense"? I guess you give up, since you havegiveen up civil arguments based on facts.
They don't like it because they know there will be many fin regs coming.
But only if we can replace the pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives, & protest for change that benefits the 99%.
LMFAO.
You lose. I win!
Trust me, when you post things like that, the biggest loser is OCCUPY in general......
go create a working group with this nonsense, see how far you get.
I know all about the dem appointed wall st guys. All the more impressive that thedems pushed through fin reform that the banksters (and repubs) didn't like.
Get it?
How could they not like it?!!! Profits are up and competition is down!!!!
That reform package was a weak pile of shit before they even brought it up for vote.
Why are you so fuckin dense? I swear you are here sometimes just to spread misinformation and make people crazy.
LMFAO.
Replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives, & protest for change that benefits the 99%.
Wall st is sceaming about it FOR real despit the profits they are making because they know only a 3rd of the new regs have been written. The profits you mention are meaningless in regards to their opposition to the coming regs.
Repubs have watered it down. FOR REAL. No fluff. Fluff is your OPINION!
Repubs have taken real steps/actions to bottle up regulation wriing in the committees. That is for real. The dems are fighting to get it done and the repubs continue to battle. Both parties may serve wall st but one has created the law that wall st hates. One party is fighting to implement it. The other is obstructing.
Your comment that they both serve wall st is just your OPINION. The actions that we have seen and listed are facts.
If we want stronger fin reform we must vote out the pro 1% conservatives.
It's the only way. (until the new system emerges)
If these are facts, then please link the facts. HAve you never had to write a professional piece before? You cant simply state things and call them facts. You have to prove your arguement.
And as for your comment that both serve wall st is an opinion, you should look at campaign donations over the last 30 years. Or go ask around at your local Occupy before the next GA.
PS- you cant water something down that didnt have any substance to begin with.
Fact/evidence that this watered down fin reform is a real threat to the wall st criminals:
the wall st/banks have been screamin against it every step of the way.,
and donating to Romney 5 to 1 against Obama (& all dems).
That repubs watered down (and glass steagal was considered and dismissed because of repub filibuster threats.)
The details of the bill to be worked out in committee which repubs have delayed.
The repubs have promised to repeal it.
The repubs refused to approve the head of the consumer fin protection agency (1st Elizabeth Warren then the next guy had to be appointed during congressoinal recess).
Not opinion, facts. If you want to build on this fin reform you mustrecognize that the rpubs have obstructed delayed and vowed to repeal it. Then we must vote out those pro 1% conservatives, & replace them w/ pro 99% progressives.
Agreed?
Ok, here are facts vs PR fluff that you got from the media:
Wall st screaming about it- no. All fluff. Wall St is making record profits, and eliminating competition as I showed you with good, qualified hard links.
Donating to Romney more than Obama- true. That is a fact.
Repubs watered it down- more fluff. Both parties serve Wall St, hence OWS showing up.
Details of bill to be worked out still- True. Due to only Repubs? Again, we all know both parties serve Wall St.
Repubs have promised to repeal it- True. Now will they? Congress usually doesnt repeal anything. Especially fascsist policy. Only time will tell on this one.
Warren approval- True.
Financial reform that is meaningful will not come from Dem and Reps. Dems wont put forth a bill with teeth. They dont work for you.
Yeah we need additional efforts to help small banks but that issue does not change the evidence I listed that proves this watered down fin reform is clearly meaningful.
If we want stronger fin reform we must vote out the pro 1% conservatives.
It's the only way. (until the new system emerges)
Meaningful? All the same shit is still happening, and the fascist aspect of it is ramping up (gov and corp partnering up to limit choices and dominate the marketplace).
You didnt list any evidence. All you listed was your own opinions. Thats all you ever list.
JP Morgan has a record quarter : http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/12/news/companies/jpmorgan-chase-earnings/index.html
0 New Bank applications this year: http://investmentwatchblog.com/wsj-0-no-of-new-bank-applications-to-fdic-this-year-small-banks-are-dying-and-how-big-banks-orchestrated-their-demise/
Repubs did water it down. And it did have more substance. We will get more substance when we replace the pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives.
And the reason I question the both parties serve wall st opinion you spew is because taking money is one thing. acting for the wall st/bankers is what repubs do, and have always battled dems whenever they wanted to weaken fin regs.
So Dems take the money then attempt to push good fin reg. Repubs defeat ,watr down, delay, or promise to repeal.
These arefacts that do not require links.
It is the way it has alwys been.
I think your blanket statements are mainly meant to minimize the repub crimes against the 99%. Of course in order for repubs to successfully serve the banks there is always some dems that must betray progressive principles and vote for the bad conservative policies. But that isn't happening right now, because OWS has put the pressure on all pols
Rejoice. Change can come if we ratchet up the pressure on all pols, for progressive change.
Go check for yourself, over 90% of Goldman Sachs lobbyists have been in the gov, and over half were Dems.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientlbs.php?id=D000000085&year=
If the fin reform was garbage none of what I listed would be happening.
Fin reform MUST be strengthened, Glass steagal re enacted, This CAN happen if the repubs corp 1% tools are voted out.
Conservative policies are the problem.
Don't fall for the hype dude. Small banks are closing and being bought out, and the big six are opening new ones. I've got 3 new Chases (JP Morgan) around my house alone.
It is fin reform that the wall st/banks have been screamin against, and donating to Romney 5 to 1 against Obama (& all dems). That repubs watered down (and glass steagal was considered and dismissed because of repub filibuster threats.)
The details of the bill to be worked out in committee which repubs have delayed. The repubs have promised to repeal it. The repubs refused to approve the head of the consumer fin protection agency (1st Elizabeth Warren then the next guy had to be appointed during congressoinal recess).
These are not the actions one takes if the law "is garbage". Clearly the law has the right enemies, Banks & their repub tools. But don't worry. Dems WILL strengthen it when repubs are voted out.
LMFAO!!!
Glass steagall was never considered. Congress works for the banks, not us. You will not be able to find anything about Glass Steagall in the process. You cant. It doesnt exist. That bill was meant to do one thing: Make it feel like Congress is doing their job.
Frankly, with this interwoven mess they have created with all the deriviatives, Im not eve sure if you can seperate it now.
2 meaningless criticisms that reflect clear anti Dem partisan campaign attack.
I guess you liked Ryan last night.
Do you support cutting taxes for the wealthiest by 20%???
I'm sorry, please show me where Romney proposed "cutting taxes for the wealthiest 20%" and which taxes those are, and how they add up to 20% of the taxes paid by the rich.
he plans to cut all income taxes 20% & eliminate cap gains & inheritance tax
From the Romney website-
"Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates"
"Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains"
"Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains"
But clearly YOU support a President who increased taxes by $500 BILLION. Can't wait until next year when all those increases hit the American public. At least the new President will be able to say he "inherited the mess" from Obama....
Of course he's cutting taxes that's what reps do. He will then run up the deficit and say we must cut social programs. Now, if the jackasses would have left the tax rate how it was before bush and not borrow money for a pointless war we wouldn't be facing the debt problem we are now.
Your jackasses could have let the Bush tax cuts expire, but they didn't. What are your jackasses doing with all the money THEY'VE borrowed? They didn't use it to pay off any debt now did they?
I agree they should have. Both the corrupt parties are in bed with the same people. We need to recognize that things will only get worse as long as the dem/rep megaparty is in control. The real choiceswe have are stein, anderson, and johnson.
He said he would cut income taxes rates by 20%. You don't know that? I gotta prove it?
NO!
Basic campaign rhetoric is not necessary to link. The basic tax plan of your candidate is well known. If you are unaware that is your misfortune.
So I guess if Romney says he supports it then you do? & if he says he doesn't then you don't?
Do you support cutting the tax rates by 20% or not?
Of course you can't do it. There is ZERO evidence anywhere that Romney is cutting taxes for the wealthiest by 20% and we BOTH know that. It's why you were forced to change your previous accusation/question, to cutting "income tax rates by 20%" (which is completely different than cutting taxes for the wealthiest by 20%) .
You were right on one thing, it is NEVER necessary to "link to basic campaign rhetoric" elsewhere because your reply provides a PERFECT example of the campaign rhetoric that people like you believe the rest of America is too stupid to see through. Keep it up. The more offensive and condescending your message becomes, the more people turn away from your party.
20% cut in tax rates for the wealthy
That's your guys plan.
Do you support it or not?
Forget all the personal attacks on me. that is irrelevant. Forget the twisting of my words, & meaning. Forget all the useless denials.
Do you support Romneys plan to cut the wealthy tax rate by 20%.?
"20% cut in tax rates for the wealthy" "That's your guys plan."
Nope. Not it's not. I can't support or NOT support something that doesn't even exist.
I just heard Paul Lyin say it last night when he got whupped by Vice President Biden.
I guess you didn't watch.
Watched the whole thing-couldn't take my eyes of "The Joe"ker. As creepy as the movie version.
Oh and I suppose your gonna pretend Ryan didn't say they want to "cut tax rates by 20%"?
All of your pointless cheer leading for Biden is clear pro dem partisan campaigning.
I support Obama/Biden over any repub right wing wacko pro 1% oligarch puppet. .
Is that a surprise?
Do you support cutting taxes for the wealthiest by 20%?
Wow it went from 1% to 20% that's a pretty big jump up. At least you finally said your an Obama hack. You want to replace their "oligarch puppets" with your own thanks but no thanks. I want taxes on everyone cut no one should pay more than 15% period no loopholes no breaks 15% that goes for everyone poor to rich.
So you support cutting wealthy peoples taxes by 20%.
And then the deficit/debt will explode!! Isn't that irresponsible fiscal policy?
The wealthy do not create jobs in America as we have been told. They take their money and hoard it. Some jobs overseas might benefit, but mostly their greedy, selfish nature simply has the money sit making interest.
The middle class consumer creates the demand that creates the pressure create jobs.
So you think poor creat jobs? You did get one thing right "their money" it's not yours. The deficit will not explode (you cut spending too) without all the loop holes the rich use (your dem rich as well) there will be plenty of money from taxes. Bottom line you never run a deficit normal people in their homes don't get I run them Neither should our gov.
So you cut taxes by 20% for the wealthy, and cut deductions & loopholes for the middle class to cover the cost?
That sounds like redistribution of wealth from the working class to the wealthy.
Sounds very republican of you.
I don't support giving my money to the wealthy so they can hoard in the cayman, and swiss banks to live off the interest.
LMFAO
The rich use loopholes more than anyone else. Your money? You sure don't mind taking other people's money do you? No way your rich dem masters will want to pay a flat tax then they actually have to pay more. Ohh you spilt some water on your shoes while carrying obamas bucket.
Flat tax hurts working class Americans and helps the 1% plutocrats.
More redistribution of middle class wealth to the 1% so they can sit on it and live off the interest while they hide it to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.
Why would you cut taxes for the wealthy, and then pay for it with cutting loopholes/deductions for the middle class.?
Isn't that a betrayal of your own class?
You don't know my financial situation, people always do what's best for them. (You included) man you sure don't want your rich dem masters paying a bit more in taxes do you? Lol you really think loopholes are for middle class wow, that is probably one of the least intelligent things I've heard you say.
I ain't used any links! Left wing or otherwise, never do.
LOL
Then what facts do you toss up? None how can you give me shit about the same thing.
What hate are you accusing me of? I may be against conservative policy but I don't feel like I hate them. I may have hatred for racists, but I think I keep that under control. I don't like hatefulness. Which is one reason why I try to avoid the personal attacks you seem to favor.
So I disagree with you that I have hatred to "let go of"
I did indicate the biggest mistake of dems. I would also submit that no party is without some members guilty of various strains of fraud/waste/corruption.
In an event you neglected to answer my simple question.
Do you know of some other progressive policy that I have overlooked that is at the root of our problems?
Many people consider the banks running the country as the result of gov gone crazy, which is a result of too much/too big gov, which many on the right deem the result of progressives.
Ok now I see it was down not up. My comment stands you blame others (rep) and I never see any complaints from you about your progressives who are no where near perfect. All I remember seeing was we can change the dems to do what we want. Of course I don't believe the status quo will change they line their pockets with our money and your progressives do the same they will tell you anything to get in and once in they do what thy have always done. All of them do it your progressives ae just as guilty.
What the hell are you talking about I look at my last 4 or 5 post an so not see what conversation made you respond like that?
I ain't overlooked the biggest mistake of the dems.
The inevitable failure of some dems who cave in and support the anti 99% conservative policies that have created all our problems.
Do you know of some other progressive policy that I have overlooked that is at the root of our problems?
See you will not allow self reflection in your eyes the dems that do wrong things are following rep lead. You will never know truth in your life with your current mind set I hope someday you let go of hate and open up to true self reflection and only then will know truth. (I hope that day comes soon for you)
This the comment you made where said I should let go of hate.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/lyan-ryan-will-get-a-lesson-in-math-tonight-and-wo/#comment-855671
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See you will not allow self reflection in your eyes the dems that do wrong things are following rep lead. You will never know truth in your life with your current mind set I hope someday you let go of hate and open up to true self reflection and only then will know truth. (I hope that day comes soon for you)
Ok?
I offer facts & my opinion. I blame conservative policies & dems who votefor them. I think Pres Obama is ok. But as a resident of a solid blue state I may vote Stein.
What I definitely do not do is personally attack people I engage with on this forum.
It has no purpose. I'm not gonna pursued anyone to change their opinion if I curse them out, & I'm not one of those who come here for some sick pleasure of putting people down.
Personally attacking each other is one of the biggest problems we have in our politics and throughout our culture. I do not want to add to it.
You seem to over look the damage done by the other side of the coin liberal policy's. they both line their own pockets at our expense, and when you say things to defend that you just look like a party hack.
I do not do the same as you. You personally attack instead of offer facts on a given subject.
Lol you don't offer facts, all you offer is rep are bad Obama is great bla bla bla. Everything is reps fault your a broken record with no honesty, just partisan crap.
Didn't give you shit about that. You are mistaken. I simply say you only insult and personally attack.
I simply say your arguments have no merit so you must resort to childish offensiveness.
Thats why you lose.
I only do the same as you (point out how your arguments have no merit), why is it not childish when you do the same?
Not one fact! childish insult on top of childish insult.
Why can't you discuss an issue with respect.?
LOL
I'm replying to your exact words, maybe you should chose them A bit more carefully.
You're replying to my exact words with insults ("least intelligent"?) as always.
because you know you are wrong and can't stick with the facts.
That's why you lose, and I win. Understand.?
Sorry but links to left Wing sites are proof of nothing but hey they make you happy so rock on. Me I require actual non biased facts to make my decisions. You are a campaign worker you will toe the line regardless of any fact sorry I can't live that way. If that's what you call losing then ill take that all day over your extreme biased views.
"links to left wing sites"? You are imagining things now. I use my own opinions & the strength of my convictions, & the link that is the truth!
Links? We don't no stinkin' links!
You can't debate because your arguments are without merit!
That is why you lose. & I win.!
Loser!
Ok moron, lol you are a winner in your own mind rofl. I don't care many times you say 1+1= 3 it's not true. No your sad excuses for links are only acceptable to left wing nut jobs, a rational person will always question the stupidity you call facts lol facts lol Ummhmmm big man you are right those widdle winks are proof (very very thick sarcasm)
I hope so. Someone needs to call the repubs on their anti 99% agenda!
coward
Your dr's & statements on the ACA are phoney.
they were the truth, you would know that if you called my doctors. you didnt . you're still a coward.
PHONEY.!!!!! And you are so selfish you would have your fellow Americans suffer without healthcare so you can save a few bucks on your taxes.
Despicable.!
you can try and change the subject, but it wont work. you asked me for my doctors names and phone numbers. i gave them to you. i told you the truth, you continue to lie. you didnt call my doctors. COWARD.
I did check them. They were PHONEY!!!! Like you. And I the peopleat the other end ofthe phone #'s are against health care for their fellow Americans like you?
More greedy, selfish conservative 1% tools. More traitors to their class!
you checked them? you lie. i called my doctor yesterday and made an appoinment. something wrong with you phone skills?
You and your friends are selfish, greedy, & un American if you can't support healthcare for your fellow Americans who are struggling without healthcare insurance.
And shortsighted as well since it costs more money to care for people through emergency room service.
still avoiding the truth? you didnt call my doctors but you lie and say that you did. COWARD.
Profits over people is a recipe for disaster.
Help you fellow American in need.
Made up DR's and fantasy ACA requirements hurts the cause of covering all Americans with affordable healthcare insurance.
i told the truth. YOU lied i gave the names and phone numbers of my doctors. you never called them . you're a coward AND a liar. you're a sad little creature who lives in a fatansy land of lies and failure.
More silly personal attacks.
You got nothing. Your arguments have no merit, so you must resort to childish insults.
That is why you lose, & I win.
Loser!
when faced with facts, cowards either laugh or curse, you do both.
i gave you my doctors names and phone numbers. you said that you them. you LIED. you will never win,.....anything. p.s. you're still a coward.
LMFAO
stupid waste of time BS argument. Even if those names and numbers you provided in this ongoing stupid argument were for real and actually did go to Dr.s offices - so what? - R they your Dr.s (?) really - and what(?) they know who alva is(?) and would listen to what from a total stranger - why?
Stop chasing your tail over a non-issue.
they are my doctors. they have been for years. kag said i was lying about the questions i was asked and asked ME for their names and phone numbers. i supplied them. talk mto him about it.
Address some real issues.
All I am seeing of your "involvement" here, is obfuscation. If you don't like how one contributor here reacts to your posts, the choice is yours whether you keep the reaction chain going.
You are being absurd - continuing a stupid argument - drop it and try to find some useful way to spend your time.
i posted about my visits to two of my doctors. kag said i was lying and asked ( "dared" me ) for their names and phone numbers. why continue? because kag asked for names and numbers. because he wanted to check out what i said. he then said i lied about the info. my point is that he called me a liar when in truth he's the liar.
Like I said stupid. And you continue it. What a knob.
And lets not forget that special number 47%
And how much tax willard will pay with the Rs tax plan ?
Tonight's debate - will it be comedy - farce - or something else? The time draws near - do you have your popcorn ready folks?
How would everyone like to see a USA presidential debate moderated by - Mockmood Ahmainadinnerjacket?
But instead Ryan kicked bidens ass not as bad as Romney spanked obama but close
NOT!