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Forum Post: Losing Freedom!

Posted 6 years ago on April 15, 2012, 12:12 p.m. EST by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA
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Conservatives say "Freedom" is what we will lose as Americans if we don't elect people who will shrink government.

I say that Conservatives have is ass-backwards.

With shrinking government budgets:

  • It is becoming increasingly difficult for the average Joe or Josephine to get a college education. Without an education, you options (think freedom) shrinks.

  • The likelihood that you will suffer financial catastrophe or bankruptcy if you have no health insurance or inadequate health insurance grows larger. Thus your freedom and options shrink.

  • SO. . what kinds of FREEDOM do you think we will LOSE if the Tea Party, Wall Street Fat Cats, and conservatives get their way?? I'm just curious what everyone thinks.



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[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22863) 6 years ago

You are right. They can say whatever they want about "freedom" but my idea of being free is having those things that the government should provide such as healthcare, an infrastructure that isn't crumbling, an affordable education, a reliable income in retirement, etc. because the private sector sure isn't interested in providing these things. And, it is only with those things that we can truly be free of worry and anxiety to live our lives as we see fit.

[-] 2 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago


I cannot fathom the private sector operating a Yosemite that is open and affordable to all.

Some things should be left to free enterprise. Some things should be left to WE THE PEOPLE and their elected representatives.

[-] 2 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 6 years ago

It does not matter who you elect it will be taken from you .

[-] 1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 6 years ago

So you are saying that freedom can only be had with a huge bureaucracy?

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago

Define "Huge."

I'm saying we need both an effective, efficient free market the behaves according to societal norms of ethical behavior.AND

We need government that provides not only for our common defense but for a variety of common needs.

[-] 1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 6 years ago

So a government of the present size is big enough?

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago
  • Don't know. Maybe not. Maybe so.

  • Population has been growing by leaps and bounds in the last half century.

  • Society has been growing more complex.

  • Evil-doers are finding new ways to screw over average Americans.

  • Roads and public buildings that my grandparents helped build and now in a state of decay.

  • Education systems that were magnificent and effective in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s are now crumbling.

  • What do you think? What would you like? Fore everyone to be on their own???

[-] 1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 6 years ago

It's the very same government that has screwed up the education system. The same government that is screwing up everything. Bloated bureaucracy, billions wasted, starting wars, where does it end? Why do you want such a fucked up entity to get more power, more money, more power over our lives? The Feds should be at least a third of the size it is. state and local government ( as local as possible) can better handle problems.

[-] -1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 6 years ago

Disagree. My state government is full of a bunch of retarded rednecks. I like having a federal government that is staffed by people with degrees and real know-how.

[-] 1 points by Blank102 (86) from American Canyon, CA 6 years ago

If you really believe that then you are lost.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 6 years ago

Well, its obvious that with no social programs and no minimum wage, people could be forced to labor for a sack of rice. What more do you need to know? There are a great many other things, like say you end social programs and the seed company that controls the worlds seed has a little set back and decides they can't produce much seed one year or for several years. Boom, starving people. If they need to be a position where they can starve people, its probably because they actually do plan to starve a lot of people, not some little happy coincident.

[-] 0 points by SPAR23 (25) 6 years ago

Republicans want more state controlled programs and not big government. The government cannot control everything.

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago


[-] 1 points by SPAR23 (25) 6 years ago

State controlled programs like healthcare and not having the govenrment controlling every aspect of everyones life.

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago

Huh? Huh?

Please explain.

[-] 1 points by SPAR23 (25) 6 years ago

Okay, we dont want the gov controlling all social issues like Socialism. Just look at Romeys healthcare, while you probably are a liberal and dont like him that is what Republicans want. Not the govenrment controlling evrything and healping everyone out. Having wellfare being alot stricter. Because I once saw people waiting in line outisde of a wellfare office and they had relativly good cars and iPhones. No Socialism.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

I don't understand your concept - With shrinking government budgets: it is becoming increasingly difficult for the average Joe or Josephine to get a college education.

Maybe you haven't noticed but our country is "saturated" with college grads who can't get a job. So if we have more college grads where will they get a job?

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 6 years ago
  • Actually, that's not entirely true.

  • While I generally get your premise, we have a shortage of doctors. . . for example. And with med students graduating with sometimes a half million dollars in student loans, they are gravitating to specialties that pay more than the general practitioner. Meanwhile, we have a shortage of GP's.

  • And our business community has a shortage of many other college and post-grad specialties. Then they press the Feds to grant special Visas because we are not producing enough trained people with those skills.

  • So . . .

[-] 0 points by lisa (425) 6 years ago

The states need to run themselves, and January 2013 will be the big wake up when the federal govt. budget cuts kick in, the states will have to answer to people all over the country. Expect riots, because Obama's budget cut 50% in entitlement programs. Starving, homeless people, millions of them, what do you think will happen here? The states will either have to come up with plans or watch the next civil war begin.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Wall st fatcats and the tea are pretty much opposites.

And dont worry, the country is bankrupt. The only thing keeping the dollar up is our constant bombing of anyone and everyone whom we deem unneeded. The education funding wont be around much longer regardless.

And also, the gov would stop backing these loans, the schools wouldnt be able to charge this because NO ONE could afford it. Ever wonder why school loans arent eligible in bankruptcy? The gov doesnt care, it wants its money and you are going to pay.