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Forum Post: Look at the lies we swallowed...and i don't want to hear no more

Posted 10 years ago on May 9, 2013, 8:48 p.m. EST by mrjrmckinney (0) from Sandia Park, NM
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http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/mrjrmckinney/blog/2013/05/they-use-force-make-you-do-what-deciders-decided-you-must-do Have the best summer possible ... throw a Frisbee ...cook a hot dog ...catch a fish...only so much a person can do must attempt to have some joy and normalcy even when there's little to smile about today.



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[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 10 years ago

I have two views on this.

  1. “Do we actually do any critical thinking for ourselves or have we sold our integrity into bondage”. What an arrogant statement. It simply means if you’re not thinking like me you’re not thinking critically. I doubt few would agree they don’t think critically. This is just some ivory tower pseudo philosopher displaying his arrogance.

  2. Who says there’s not much to smile about today? Americans have one of the highest living standards in the world. We buy big screen TV’s by the millions, think nothing of spending $25K on a new car and wait for hours to buy the newest iPhone. We have enough money to buy every new thing that comes along. The prosperity of America has morphed into decadence. So, while our values are clearly screwed up, we are living the American dream.

So yea, I say go cook a hot dog, throw a Frisbee or catch a fish. Absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying activities. Also, don’t let someone make you feel guilty because you’re having a little fun for a change.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 10 years ago

One thing that fuckin' irks me about you is your tenacity to project. Just because you can afford to be decadent, buy expensive televisions, cars and phones, does not mean every American can afford such luxuries. You live in a bubble and are deluded if you believe everyone else in this nation shares your life style. Stop assuming just because your life is blessed and everyone on your television has a blessed life that every American is in the same boat as you. You came off as very naive.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 10 years ago

"Tenacity to Project" yep but "blessed"??? Nope more like shallow, defunct, and his life is missing a soul. If throwing a frisbee can't make one forget, for example, that they can't afford their child's heart surgery or medication then I guess as long as they can still charge a flat screen and buy some other useless gadgets then boy oh boy do they do have it all. That i-phone will come in handy when the government calls Marshall Law into effect when the dollar crashes though - it will help the track people's locations as they begin to rebel.

We have one of the highest living standards only on paper because two percent is so insanely fucking wealthy they are throwing of the actual numbers of real people who can't afford food and who can't find meaningful work that pays the goddamn rent. MOST of us are struggling and running in a maze without an exit while two percent lives the life of Riley. MOST of us can't stop to count our blessings because we're too busy trying to keep the ones we have from falling apart.

Every time you see a brand new Mercedes on the road an employee just lost his job... welcome to Pottersville where sacrificing others for your own gain is the new normal


Maybe you own a hospital or perhaps are a minion of the 1 percent ? But the rest of us want to keep our souls

[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 10 years ago

Sorry my friend, I don’t own a big screen TV or an iPhone. I live a humble, meager existence. Lower middle class actually. But you can’t deny the masses pretty much live as I described. Our prosperity can be seen in every mall, Walmart, Ford Dealer and Whole Foods Market in the land. Certainly there are poor, improvised and homeless. But they are not the norm.

It irks me when some elitist tries to convince the people that we are bad off. It’s just not the case (for the most part).

Yes, we need to fix the government, make sure corporation aren’t considered people and arrest the Wall Street thieves. We also need to help the needy and show more compassion as a society. But lying about the state of things doesn’t help or give us credibility.

[-] 0 points by Middleaged (5140) 10 years ago

I've been on both sides of this issue over the course of 30 years.

  • America does everything big. Hot Jobs and High Wages attract the work force... and mostly since the 1980s, both blue collar & white collar workers spend money to show wealth. Used to be Union Metal Workers would save 6 months of wages for Layoff though.
  • American government spends big, has the best stuff. Spoils it's government people & military. Seldom has any budget cuts & lay off (but looking long term here. I know of Lean Carter years. I know of cuts during Clinton. I know federal government wasn't that big when Reagan came in and focused on spending on Defense.
  • But Social Programs may have only gotten big under George W. Bush. Clinton may have made small increases, but in those days the Budget was rigid and increases were relatively small and harmless.

I was going to ask about your View on Neoliberalism, anything goes, Lassez-Faire, Privatization, Give Resources to Private Corporations while cutting their taxes or providing subsidies or granting Federal Tax Loopholes,... like in Oil Lands or Ocean Drilling ... and Deregulating banks, Insurance, Stock markets, Keeping Financial instruments & Private Banking Deregulated. (I don't remember you position)

  • I guess you are saying there is room for fighting Crony Capitalism and the Take over of our Congress & Regulators.

  • I guess you agree that there is Fraud as William K. Black has said in many articles and videos... and as he has prosecuted in the S & L Scandal, 1000 Major Felonies & CEOs, and 3000 others (if I remember right).

If I take the soft view here on the USA. I'd say that the USA hasn't grown or progressed since 1970 when Labor Costs grew not only from Union power, but from OHSA, and from Labor Rights that none of us want to cut back. It sounds like there are new Ideas on Capitalism, Economics, and Work Force participation.

The International Labour Organization is the only United Nations agency that is based on tripartism. It uses the discussions between the three groups in drafting of standards and conventions. Also for the implementation of ILO-standards in national law tripartite consulations on a national level are a requirement[7] for those countries party to the Tripartite Consultation (International Labour Standards) Convention, 1976.

The United States withdrew from the ILO in 1977, based partly on the claim that communist countries could not send authentically tripartite representation.[8][9]


I haven't dug into Tripartism much yet. I wrote about similar Ideas over the last year. Many people say Scandanavia is doing well, but the prices are a jump if you earn in US Dollars or If you live on Savings.

But I like the Dual Education System Idea mentioned in Rhine Capitalism. Government, Corporations & Workers help each other so why not structure capitalism that way.

But, in American Capitalism each personality wants to narrow the Discussion to like 2 Ideas. You get Entertainers or Politicians that don't entertain any other ideas. There is no Discussion. It is called Control.

I don't think there is any coincidence that Politicians are usually in grid lock, kissing Lobbyist asses, or dealing with low priority issues. Or that they create Spending bills while in a Sequester.

The Myths of the American Capitalist System being the best and that our Congress is a bunch of nice guys keeps us all in the dark.

  • USA has been Decapitalized at least since 1970 and accelerated since NAFTA.
  • The only possible reason not to have Apprenticeship Programs in our Education system is that... even most of congress knows that all our Federal spending bills get corrupted by corporations & Wealthy Interests.
  • I've Got to say also ... that Open Borders, Workers VISAs, immigration in general, Off Shoring Corporate Headquarters, Off Shoring Production ... are all great ways to either get cheap labor or suppress US wages and benefits.
  • Off Shore Trust Accounts, Off Shore Bank Accounts, Tax Shelters, Tax Avoidance in Shell Companies, hiding True Corporate Financial Health Picture in Off balance Sheet Transactions and in Shell Companies, the Fact that since 1960s we have had Wealthy or Corporations who don't pay any Federal Tax at all .... These are all Old, Very Old Issues,... they all prove the Problems with Money in Congress/Washington, the Lack of US Representation of Peoples Issues, ... and at least Collusions if not Conspiracy.

Seems Clear we have Crony Capitalism, not a progressive Democracy, ...We should ban the Phase American Capitalism or at least condemn it. We should consider the ILO & Tripartism.

I'm guessing we have some kind of War Culture & Militarism build into this Duopoly, Corporatism, as well. Meaning we need people kind of dumb enough to follow the government in the next war, send their kids to war, and ride flows of Nationalism ... to support corporate conquests and Banking interests.

Guilty, I have not always been a critical thinker. I have been a good consumer, and media addict. I can only speak for myself though. I was a spaced out kid and believed what I was told.