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Forum Post: Local Police Keep Secret Files on Peace Activists for Homeland Security

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 20, 2012, 10:10 a.m. EST by john23 (-272)
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[-] 12 points by Nevada1 (4464) 1 year ago

Homeland Security, should not exist. Existence of it, is sign of problem.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Excellent point.

[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Nor should Obama's Brown Shirts!!! Are you aware of the FEMA Corps? They just graduated a couple hundred. It's an offshoot of Obama's AMericorps.

Seriously, google Fema Corps!!!


[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

But is there not a need to protect us from domestic problems

[-] 6 points by gsw (2870) 1 year ago

lets give a big shout out to our "big brother," looking out for us, (we can only hope.)

Have a happy 1984.

[-] 4 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

this is just the tip of the iceberg, it's been going on for quite some time, and I believe the incorporation of local police departments is something new - at least in this context.

In a world where it may be said nothing is what it seems one must wonder . . . is this good news? or not?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the population should determine and over see the government jobs

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Yeah....DHS is funding all the podunk city.county swat teams and tanks. Our National Guard has an airport here and they just lost the cool fighter jets they got to play with on wknds to SURVEILANCE PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FT WAYNE IND

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Well, with sites like wikileaks exposing criminals of the highest order, I guess those guys are getting paranoid about everybody.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I don't believe local police departments will be all that worried about someone like WikiLeaks. My understanding is that the divisions between authority, in cases where it overlaps, tends to generate a bit of friction. It could be that since September 11 Homeland security has taken action to reduce that friction - I don't know.

There was a spot on the local news about a Homeland security facility - we have one right in town - that was collecting a variety of data and using it to conduct analysis for local law enforcement, and there was an allusion made to having helped solve a local murder case. This too is an instance where supposedly they toss the data after X amount of time - but you know - prove it. Maybe they do, just because of server memory constraints - who knows.

In my opinion a lot of what is driving the growth of the surveillance industry is the War on Drugs. Organized crime rings seem to pay good money for counter intell, and what happens in smaller communities is that the competition to these rings is what is most often targeted by law enforcement.

The kids set up their own little fight clubs to conduct their own counter surveillance, but they don't have access to the predictive behavioral technology, and the only way any of these groups have of controlling others is some form of intimidation.

The kids are apt to get carried away.

And so is everyone else - the behavioral side of this whole thing . . . presents a very powerful lure . . .

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Power corrupts. Ultimate power....etc.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I have heard that.

Modern surveillance technology harnessed to predictive behavioral models presents an overwhelming and seemingly irresistible illusion of power.

Those who resist can easily be crushed - but this is not how we will preserve either our democracy or the Constitution. Both are destroyed by it.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I have a piece of tape over my laptop camera. Not that I'm paranoid.

I'm currently shopping for multi-fuel hiking stoves. Even my emails have adverts popping up all over the place. Where is the privacy law protecting us on the www?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

You are experiencing a form of targeted advertising. There have only been a few select instances of actively regulating the internet so far - there have been unsuccessful efforts to curb a variety of activities, but because the platform is so new, and the nature of people so fickle when it comes to the way they use the internet, that most meaningful regulation has not actually taken place.

Small changes in the platform can and have been the end of a user forum.

Advertising is seen as a means of extracting wealth from the users. No attempts will be made anytime soon to curb this activity - regardless of the infringement of your rights - apparently we don't as of now have any rights, when it comes to our own habits, preferences, and the collection of this personal information by unknown third parties.

I don't like it.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I phukkin' hate it.

What should have been the ultimate tool of education for the masses has been hijacked and hoodwinked into yet another marketing tool of the 1%.

I read an article about the Indo invasion of Papua New Guinea the other week, and next thing there's this notification on bookface that I've been looking at vintage porno.

Shitheads are spoiling a perfectly good resource for greed. Sounds familiar.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

The Internet was just for education, until the Eternal September. Which is when all of you guys showed up.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Ever heard of What Pisses You Off? It was a usenet offshoot that I helped to moderate. I've been on this mofo for so long, there's shiny patches on both wrists from keyboarding.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

It seems a little hard to believe that a netizen from those days would fantasize about a "privacy law protecting us on the www". But I'll have to take your word for it.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Good call. It was proxies and militant attacks back then.

We should all be allowed to at least have our emails to ourselves. You agree?

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

If you take your own steps to encrypt your emails, then sure. But anybody who understands how RFC 821 (and its descendants) work would not suggest protecting privacy through legislation instead of technology.

If you really were around before the Eternal September then you have to remember the Clipper Chip. Which is the specific reason why I registered as a Republican back then, in college.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago


You mean this bookface?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yeah, I like that.


[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13420) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Nice font. Clean layout. What's not to like? I think I'll join tomorrow . . .

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If this is your creation, nice job at creating somethig that aims to be the unfacebook.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It would be excellent if we could orchestrate a mass migration.

Need a hell-heavy server base.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

those files should be public

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

When I was growing up and there were troubles in other lands and I'd see on the TV the police brutalizing their own people I used to wonder if our police were different. I figured that our police were just regular people and that they were raised and educated to understand and respect the constitution. I guess I was wrong.

The cops are the same deformed, sick personalities the world over. In Brazil they shoot homeless boys and girls like they were feral dogs. In Thailand they routinely kill anyone who runs from them. What if someone makes a rolling stop at a stop sign, a block later sees a police car behind them, panics that they are going to be killed and takes off? The cop takes off after them and they are killed, even if their wife and kids are in the car. In Bahrain & Saudi Arabia cops have been videoed accompanying minor 13th century princelings and just standing by while the princeling breaks bones, tortures and/or kills on a whim. Here in NY, they kill distraught mentally ill people, quite often.

Here in the U.S. the police should be screened for psychopathic personalities. Our military screens recruits, why not the police?

Without the presence of actual psychopaths the disturbed side-with-power-worms/bully boys would deflate like Hugh Hefner without viagra.

When I would go down to Zuccotti during the occupation (which wasn't often enough) I would go around talking to cops. Often asking them to 'obey to the minimum.' And often getting a positive response. Yet none of them tipped us off and since then they've stood shoulder to shoulder with the white shirts.

We need to find a way to drive a wedge between the sickos and the normal & patriotic regular people cops.

[-] 2 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

It's the psychology of humans....human nature....i find it incredibly interesting. I was in a frat in college and remember people in my pledge class getting torn apart by members of the frat during the pledging process....i remember these people in my pledge class saying they could never do this to future pledges....surprisingly many that said that were among the worst offenders to future pledge classes...the very one's who got ripped apart the most. Human nature doesn't change...no matter where you grow up...group think.....mass psychology...going with the flow....it's just how people are. Most people are generally not educated as well, so history that happened just a decade or two ago is completely forgotten....and so are its lessons.

Milgram's Obedience to Authority Experiment


Asch conformity experiment:


[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

watching peace activist its so funny because why would they be on the watch list

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

True. They are completely incompetent.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yes it is i mean i have no problem with the government protecting us from domestic terrorist but to have peace activist on the list is something weird all together

[-] 0 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Funny how the Left continues to support the State. In fact, that is their religion, their reason for being. Why is that?

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

The State is not the infection, the State has been infected (credits to the forgotten author). The State is supposed to be We The People, we need to take it back.