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Forum Post: List of companies outsourcing american jobs

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 7:44 p.m. EST by yasminec001 (584)
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[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

Another good thread. Does anyone remember when Gates went to the House Science committee and threatened to move business overseas if there were not anymore HB-1 Visas because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified Tech in the US. Two studies proved it wrong. The majority of those were that applied came from India to learn the jobs, went back to India opened up shop and the jobs were shipped. Yeah, Gates is a member of NASSCOM.

So, all of these people that had gone to college to acquire this "much needed skill" lost.

[-] 2 points by jonm (2) 12 years ago

Blame the republicans who overwhelmingly blocked this anti-outsourcing bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3816


[-] 2 points by Windsofchange (1044) 12 years ago

Here are some helpful websites to bookmark in regards to outsourcing and layoffs. http://www.dailyjobcuts.com http://www.workingamerica.org/about/

OWS should protest against/boycott the worst offenders to set an example.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Toyota Camry Hybrid Factory Robots


[-] 1 points by SaRaIam (105) 12 years ago

What to do about it? Penalties on companies that outsource jobs? Taxes? Legislation making it illegal? Boycott? Picket? Strike/

All of the above?

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

Boycott on companies who unfairly outsource american jobs. buy more local. I think we can make a difference (as a beginning) through our consuming choices.

[-] 1 points by daddyo14171 (48) 12 years ago

Some of these companies do business internationally and don't really meet my definition of outsourcing. Outsourcing to me is purposely avoiding hiring Americans by sending production overseas and than reselling that product back to Americans.

Alamo car rental hiring a local rep in Guatemala to offer services there isn't outsourcing.

[-] 2 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

I haven't properly looked through the list. Just spreading the information.

'Outsourcing to me is purposely avoiding hiring Americans by sending production overseas and than reselling that product back to Americans.' Agree.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

Oh yeah, I forgot about illegal aliens. I don't know about you, but I don't know any American who wants to make the wages illegal immigrants do picking fruits/vegetables or doing hard labor. They often do jobs that Americans aren't willing to do. And are you willing to pay more for food if the prices rise because we pay Americans to work in the fields?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

Americans left agricultural work, not because they were unwilling to do it or it was "hard work", but it is seasonal work. You can work for x amount of months but you do not make enough to save for the winter. This means that you migrate. If you migrate then your children do not have a chance in hell of being educated well or at all.

[-] 2 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

I think alot of americans also left acricultural and farm work because they are not allowed to even choose their own seeds, fertilizer, pesticides, food to feed the animals, etc. They are unfairly treated..It's a real shame. If you haven't already, you should watch 'Food, inc.'

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

They need a new Farm Bill. There is a petition that it out there. Found it, if you are interested. http://action.foodandwaterwatch.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5597

I am going to check out that documentary, thanks.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

No problem and thanks for the petition. I've been doing alot of petition signing these past weeks. Lol.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

I'm pretty tired of the horrible rap outsourcing gets. Ten years ago, we owned a very small business. We tried to hire Americans to do customer service. We had to let them go, because they were too rude and they did cost substantially higher than the Indian company we moved to. The Indian workers were so polite and hard working. We were able to provide longer hours of customer service by using them, and this is just what our customers were demanding. And no, our customers weren't willing to pay higher prices to help us get the American customer support. We did have one full-time American worker who did programming. He was ultimately responsible for the end of the business. He blackmailed us by eventually producing zero work and getting paid 80K per year. He knew that he had the power to take the servers down, mess with the database, etc, so we had no choice but to pay him. The business ended because he stopped producing work that would allow us to remain competitive. And he constantly justified his laziness, refusal to complete projects and listen to directions by stating that he had virtually no responsibility at all the other companies he worked at. He talked about how many of his co-workers did just enough to get by. Now, if everyone wants to stop outsourcing, why not support smaller businesses that must have higher prices and why don't the Americans who choose to have a low work ethic get out there and be highly productive so we can afford to pay them?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

How about, don't hire someone with a low work ethic?

The reality is that it was cheaper for you.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

And actually, he wasn't cheaper. We paid him a competitive salary, because we weren't willing to outsource for any programming.

[-] 0 points by VladimirMayakovsky (796) 12 years ago

Bad move. So you paid for it. Should have outsourced it.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

That person had references and a great set of skills and did an excellent job lying to us about what he could do. By all outer appearances, he was a great guy and a family man with adorable children? He was brilliant and actually capable of doing well and did very well the first year, and then he decided to stop working, and there was nothing we could do about it. He completely hijacked the coding. We never would have hired someone like that, but he lied to us and we were trusting and believed him.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

That must have been a horrendous experience.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

It really was.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

How come you didn't just fire him and hire someone else? I'm guessing, too expensive? Would you have had to have all the coding redone from scratch? It's an honest question, I don't know anything about coding and was wondering why you couldn't just fire him.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

Because he had the power to take down the whole business if we didn't comply, and he re-coded in a way (my husband was the original coder) that would've taken years for someone else to learn - and in that time, we'd just be out of business. He kept the servers running as well, and that was crucial for the business. Lesson learned the painful way...

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

Basically he was holding your business hostage. That's a shame. It seems there are no easy answers anymore, the world's become so complex. And I must agree, too many American workers have a bad attitude. It's ridiculous. And pervasive. In contrast, every single CSR I've spoken to in India was extremely polite and helpful, if a bit hard to understand at times.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

Well, it's actually a conundrum. Some of the foreign labor we contract deserves a chance at a good job. However, I wasn't talking about that kind of outsourcing. I'm talking about corporations who unfairly treat their workers, establish fair labor laws but never implement them, and pay their worker 75 cents for 10, 12, 14 hour, 7 days a week shifts for a product that will be sold for more than 100 times that in another country. I'm talking about corporations outsourcing their jobs to foreign countries and thereby making those poor villages dependent on the factory jobs offered, and never given a chance to grow or have rights. Yes, americans are lazy, but in these times they need a job and many of the products we buy are 'made in china' or 'made in vietnam'. Those who deserve it deserve these jobs..

I also believe we should be supporting our local businesses, markets, and entrepreneurs instead of major companies.

It took america a WHILE before we even established fair labor laws. When I talk about a general thing and I appear to be villifying it, I'm not talking about those within that generalization who do not qualify. I understand there are different sides to a story, and I appreciate when a company SINCERELY creates personal growth for the foreign workers they are contracting.. but it's when corporations don't even consider hiring americans and go foreign just to make more money that I don't like.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

You make a good point, and I felt compelled to make a point, because as a previous small business owner, we were just trying to build a business and survive. Unfortunately, we did not have the support of customers who would pay higher fees or be satisfied with less customer service hours. But yes, it's a good point about corporations operating out of a foreign country.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

It's cool. You have a right to make a point, in which I appreciate you giving me your side of the story. It's very hard to be general when talking about 'problems'...or pretty much anything now-a-days. Everything is very confusing and there's always another side to a story..We just need straight-up facts. Visibility. Transparency.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 12 years ago

Thanks for the open mind. I appreciate your points and take them into consideration, and I really don't believe all Americans are lazy (hope you didn't think that). I was just trying to open others' minds to reasons why small business might outsource or reasons why farmers/contractors, etc might hire illegal aliens. It's not something I've done (illegal aliens), but I've just heard the points and actually know people who have family members that are illegal aliens. My parents also used to help migrant workers when I was younger. And as far as large corporations taking their entire operations overseas, l don't agree with that. Nothing's ever black and white, so that's why it's good for everyone here to share ideas.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 12 years ago

It's okay, I didn't think that. I try not to generalize as much as I can, seeing as every individual is unique (though there are similar behaviors, traits, attitudes, etc.). And I thank you for your open mind, as well. Discussions like these are what need to be held. People of opposing views and beliefs coming together out of respect. It can happen. It is possible..and sometimes the idea that it is impossible makes it impossible.

I do believe it is the way something is used or the intention of something that makes that thing 'bad' or 'good' (of course, there are exceptions).

Having wealth, fame, power, resources, etc. is not a bad thing. It's how you use that which have been put under that individual's responsibility. If you hoard it all for yourself, (which is a right that waaay too many people are exercising...though it's still a right) there will be consequences.

I don't think it's a question of decision, but why one makes that decision, if you get what I mean.