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Forum Post: Lincoln quote

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 23, 2012, 9:41 a.m. EST by uhandleit (43)
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Sorry Pres. Lincoln. It has now become " The Governement of the Rich By the Rich and for the Rich " Amt. of money allowed to be spent in an election by candidates should be restricted. All C Pacs should be outlawed. Things are really rediculous. He who has the most money to spend or is spent for him/her is the winner. What has happened to real Democracy.

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Candidates are pre elected by the wealthy through their unequal and unfair contributions. Honest candidates refuse to be bought, so are never heard. We only hear the corrupt.

Democracy must also mean, one man, one equal contribution, one equal vote. Instead we have unequal contributions which in effect give the wealthy more than one vote. That is not democracy. No man deserves a greater voice in a democracy because of their wealth. Our elections have been stolen before we have even voted

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Well, we can have a revolution and end government. Or, we can try to end government corruption by supporting people like Buddy Roemer and Rocky Anderson.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

I don't advocate a revolution by violent overthrow, but a revolution of the basic understanding of what is corrupt and what is just. If we don't even understand what is just, government will continue in corruption.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I don't want a revolution either. But thats what some people think is necessary. I think OWS ptb believes in a revolution in the literal sense, as in the violent overthrow kind. They appear to be heading in that direction anyway.

They are now practically inviting BlackBloc activities, with their own words. From the Jan 20 News Article from Occupy SF "The march continued onward when suddenly the familiar sound of revolution rang through the air as [the Black Bloc] smashed through a luxury car dealerships window".

http://occupywallst.org/forum/is-occupy-still-non-violent-or-as-my-prediction-un/

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Revolutions against tyranny often become tyrants themselves.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

You're right. I think OWS is a sort of tyranny. There is some absolute power pulling the strings of the movement from behind the scenes. Like, who is writing those News Articles that speak in a positive tone about BlackBloc violence. Is that something voted on and approved by the GA. Not that I can tell. Some "power" is writing those articles, representing OWS, highlighting violence, rather than condemning it. In an attempt to steer the movement.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Truth does not hide behind masks, or hoods, or other forms of anonymity. The mask conceals a core, and when uncovered is shown false.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 2 years ago

Buddy and Rocky. Hmm... with names like that, these guys have to be honest. Rocky... Rocky... Rocky - Ta tam tam, ta tam tam , ta tam tam, ta tam tam - It's the eye of the tiger....

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

lol. I think I actually heard that song playing on a clip of him! Buddy sounds like a puppy dog name. Everyone loves puppies. And puppies have sharp little puppy teeth. Pretty good metaphor. Likable enough anyway. But good metaphor, likability, and low budget campaigning, sadly, is not enough to get in the debates though.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

We have the government we deserve. Less then 60% vote in presidential election years and just over one third vote in off year elections. Most of those that do vote base their decision on a 15 or 30 second attack ad (which is why the money candidate tends to win). No on snuck in and took away our republic or freedom. We tossed it away ourselves and a majority still don't care.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

So we have a government decided by the less than 60%? It is decided by the less than 1%, who paid for the 30 second ad that swayed the vote of the less than 60%. As long as we have unequal power through unequal political contributions, we will have tyranny!

[-] 0 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

It's going to stay that way as long as people think some law will do all the hard work for them while they spend their free time watching reality shows. There isn't really a substitute for an informed electorate.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Absolutely agree, knowledge is the key, put into positive action.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

You're absolutely right. I stopped voting years ago, when I realized that no matter for whom I voted, the results were the same. All politicians talk from both sides of their mouths, and almost everything they say is a lie.

Change you can believe in. LOL

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

I see it as fixable if we focus on the right elections, congress is more important then the presidency. Voting out incumbents often, preventing them from spending his life in Washington might help.