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Forum Post: Liberals are the intellectuals, right?

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 24, 2012, 10:05 a.m. EST by GNAT (150)
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So why do all of the self proclaimed Liberals on this forum ignore anything to do with WallSt except to throw words at it like "Repelicant". Let me tell you, that is some high minded stuff. Forget about the open-ended welfare the Fed just granted to all 1%ers and WallSt. We need to publicly define and refine our derogatory verbiage. For proponents of science and arithmetic, the brand of liberals on this forum don't seem to be any more advanced or in favor of intellectual pursuit than the anti-GlobalWarming folks.

Just an observation.


For substantive debate on a hot topic in economics see:

"The middle and lower classes mainly experience the anti-stimulative effects of rising prices"

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[-] 3 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

:)

"The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil." -Albert Einstein

http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1321) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

No! Liberals are the intellectuals left. The intellectuals right are either hypocrites or idiots. Right?

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

That open ended welfare is just the campaign contribution Obama was hoping for.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

well here's another observation.

most of the nay saying surrounding the purchase by the fed of mortgage backed securities stems entirely from repelican talking points as opposed to actual consideration of the policy and what it does to the banks.

If I understand it correctly - and I haven't as yet taken the time to dig into it - it appears that it provides the banks with more cash, thereby increasing their capacity to lend, without the inducement of higher interest rates which would hurt the consumer.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You say that and completely disregard intelligent minds like Dennis Kucinich and Alan Grayson.

Next you'll say the Bush era TARP bailouts were awesome and giving a trillion dollars to Bank of America was great.

Why aren't we directly lending people money at .01 percent interest instead of just the banks? Why do we continue to support a monetary system that gives unlimited resources to the banks and nothing for the people?

Is this Occupy Wall Street or give more money to Wall Street?

The Federal Reserve creates money out of nothing... gives it to the banks... the banks keep it on deposit... gain interest... pays huge CEO bonuses... fat cat city... all while the rest of America falls apart.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I never said it was a great solution - I think even Bernie Sanders indicated it would have been better to directly bail out the individuals holding the subprime mortgages, rather than the banks.

That still would have had the effect of rewarding the banks for engaging in risky and or criminal behavior.

Even though we may not have arrived at the best solution - I have not seen evidence indicating that this latest move cannot have positive impact.

Arguing over it seems a waste of time.

We should be organizing protests designed to highlight those individuals who have engaged in criminal behavior and are not yet facing investigation, let alone criminal charges, within the financial industry.

We should continue to resist foreclosures - especially when the banks cannot establish their right to do so without falsified documentation.

We should be demanding Congressional aspirants sign a pledge to support Move to Amend - and if they sign it we should support them, if not we should not support them - but such a notion seems to run completely contrary to the will and intent of OWS.

We should be demanding Congressional aspirants sign a pledge to support closing Gitmo - but again, such a notion seems to run completely contrary to the will and intent of OWS

  • Why the fuck is that?
[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Giving Wall street more money is not a solution. It's not beneficial. It only lets them continue their reign and their fraudulent and failing practices.

Why did the DOJ let Goldman off the hook?

I fully agree we should be protesting those banksters and the corrupt members of government letting them off the hook.

We should also be protesting the corrupt monetary system that works for the banks and the 1%

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I tell you what, if you allow us to settle them all in Burlington, you can have Gitmo. Nobody tried under a tribunal, which is what these civilian courts have become, belongs in an American correctional facility; it would severely impact that very life expectancy to which you here grant longevity.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

we have a correctional facility here - with some minor upgrades I'm sure it would suffice. There are other facilities elsewhere in the nation that may require no modification whatsoever - but if the best you can do is here - fine - the preservation of our principles is worth far more than whatever inconvenience this might entail.

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Well I'm quite certain we can find a bucket with a hole in it with which to transfer them to your humble abode.

[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

To me it makes no difference if he is "guilty" or "innocent" - both are subjective terms; for what, pray tell, is a war "criminal"? In war, all are murders and potential murderers. And there are no "petty" criminals.

There is only one question of significance - can the individual be safely paroled?

I have known at least two of the guards of our Iraqi POW camps - one was an African American, the other a black Trinidadian American... military prisons, by and large, have always been "hard time" because, although admittedly in some cases it is difficult to overlook, the jailor is not concerned with former criminality, he is concerned with institutional behavior.

There are no laws of civility in prison... introduce those laws, enforce a societal civility, and while physical "abuse" may subside, there will be a corresponding increase in the use of the psychological... because there is only one issue of concern and that is maintaining control in what is a strictly survival of the fittest environment.

In prison, it doesn't matter whether we agree or disagree, this is the world as it presents itself. And unfortunately it's not quite this simple because human beings, everywhere, are capable of extreme cruelty, which is quite often influenced by the degree of angst. In war, the personal angst is a universal.

These individuals will be no better treated in Vermont than they are in POW camps. And I'd be willing to bet your prison in Vermont offers no significant comfort; why should it?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

To me it makes no difference if he is "guilty" or "innocent" - both are subjective terms; for what, pray tell, is a war "criminal"? In war, all are murders and potential murderers. And there are no "petty" criminals.

You obviously didn't read the article. so . . . why should I read the rest of your post?

never mind. don't answer that. Honestly - because it just doesn't matter.

[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I did read the article; thank you very much.

Prisoners do not typically receive the cadillac plans of our congressmen; injuries and ailments are life threatening. Again this is the world as it presents itself.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Previously I had asked:

and your response was:

To me it makes no difference if he is "guilty" or "innocent"

that's fine. You are of course, entitled to your opinion.

.

now get the fuck off

.

[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

haha... innocent? Well I think that such an evaluation depends a lot on your faith in today's media spin; I have more faith in the jailors. It appears they may have pronounced a verdict: guilty!

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Pretty good.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

this is not the means of combating terrorism. It is the means of discrediting the government. It is a national disgrace.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

what is grained by discrediting the US?

perpetual enemies?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That is an interesting way of putting it

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"stems entirely from repelican talking points"...Really dude?

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

So, uhh, what's yer point?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

It's an open-ended handout to WallSt, bub. There is no way to reconcile that with your support of Occupy. It's one or the other, you can't have it both ways.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

that is the perception - common, popular, but is it accurate?

dig deeper

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

"The middle and lower classes mainly experience the anti-stimulative effects of rising prices"

The details are available on this forum, you just choose to ignore them. Convenient.

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

your post - linked above - is an argument against the purchase of mortgage backed securities on the premise that the government is making the purchase by simply printing more money.

It is a common theme, a common narrative, or meme, of the conservative wing, one which does not accurately reflect what is actually taking place, and therefore misrepresents both positive and negative aspects of the process.

dig deeper

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

The articles supply all of the information. The one I gave you the link to was written by Bevis Longstreth, a former SEC Commissioner. But I'm sure you know better, right?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Zendog doesn't even think bombing civilians in non-battle zones and then bombing their rescuers is a war crime. He's pretty hard to talk to.

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

indeed. ^

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13023) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

wait - you say Bernanke is a criminal because of association - and won't take his word for anything -

yet you are perfectly happy with the word of some other former SEC commissioner . . .

That makes him credible? How do any of us know whether he is just another criminal or not?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They are discussing this on CNBC right now

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I have far more than one link or article on the matter, on this forum. You ignore all of them. You engaged this thread because it lacks substance and is confrontational, which happens to be what interests you.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

100% accurate

[-] -1 points by CitizenofAmerika (-71) 1 year ago

Liberals are intellectuals only in there own warped minds.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

"Liberal" it seems is an oxy-moron.

[-] -1 points by hazencage (58) 1 year ago

maybe not many people have read up on the dry and boring subject of economics and law?

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Nah... History, family genealogy, science, technology, creative writing, art and all related disciplines... have always been my preferred subjects. I also tend to be a little outdoorsy.

I've grown to really hate all such words as those above...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the yatzi score pad is only so interesting

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

so true...

[-] -1 points by stinkyhippie (-7) 1 year ago

apparently that's why all you liberals get your news from Comedy Central...because of your superior intellect

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

The Sky People are starting to speak our language. How's that beauty contest coming up in November looking?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

GNAT is the NYSE symbol for Wisdomtree Trust. It's an inside joke aimed at some of the forum users.

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Someone posted an article saying the idea to use the 99% vs 1% language was brilliant. It was. It was inspired. We haven't followed up on this. It's not easy to be truely clever and the net makes us all feel clever. "Repelicant" and "lib-tard" just aren't that good. Someone here came up with "Sky People" (1%) and "Mud People" (99%). This is brillant. Sky People travel in planes (Big Birds) and shit on the Mud People. It's just what they do. I hereby motion to make 'Sky People' and 'Mud People' part of the offical OWS language. We really need a name describing democrats/republicans for those of us who feel there just isn't a big difference. I can't think of anything good. 'Washers' (short for- Washington) is the best I can do. Anyone have anything? We could use a name for 'bank' too. How about 'barn' ? I wish I was better at this. We need to invent our own language folks.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"democraps" "teabaggers" "repelicants" "libtards"...etc....

Thats pretty much the state of our country. Not too bright.

[-] 1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I've mentioned that you can have discourse without disrespect on here many times. I think i got called a pee-pee doo doo head.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Yep, me too. For trying to say the exact same thing. Anybody who pushes for setting aside the partisan squabbling either gets labeled an agent of the 'other side' or they get a lesson in how the 'other side' is just wrong.

[-] 1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Lol the logic of the crazy around here. I actually am an agent I'm going to cash my agent paycheck now!!!

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I lost count of the number of times that I've been explicitly accused of being a government psy-ops agent, intent of "cognitive infiltration" of the Occupy web site. For arguing in favor of things like voting. Campaign finance reform. Getting permits for protests. Treating cops with respect.

[-] 1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Yea that is blasphemy around here, any display of common sense is quickly squashed. You have to use phrases like MIC and plutocratic blabla

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

That was my take on the situation too :) ^

[-] -2 points by slizzo (-96) 1 year ago

the problem, GNAT, is that the ows forums have been astro-turfed by the DNC. this site is now all about getting obama reelected.

as if that corrupt liar deserves a second term.

people are masochists.