Forum Post: Let's make a list of all the things that we can't choose
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 14, 2011, 5:40 p.m. EST by tulcak
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from Prague, Prague
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I am so sick and tired of people saying that your life is totally up to your own choices. Really? that's a load of BULL. This post is an invitation to everyone to post what things we cannot and did not CHOOSE. I'll start off: I did not choose to be born.
I did not choose to have the 4th amendment deleted by the government.
The detention bill; Patriot act; seatbelt law; healthcare reform; tax rates; audit the fed; where did the bailout money go; cannot choose woodland retreat as said here; nudity ;) ok; birth, but that doesn't count; choice of losing my job; choice of gas prices; choice of laws that allowed energy/food deregulation, glass stegall act revocation; the fact I was born into a system engineered around me that I had no say in its creation; what school i went to; the car accident i got in where I was rear-ended.
good one!
In capitalism, you can choose to screw everyone over to get on top or stay at the bottom.
In totalitarianism and authoritarianism, the government will screw everyone period.
Good luck with Straw man arguments like this...
Edit: As can be seen from the rest of the conversation, that was an agreement with which I also agree, totalitarianism or authoritarianism is even worse as it always gets corrupted and then everyone is screwed.
Edited my post. And how did you make your link look like a word? Besides I am not defending capitalism in that post.
Like this: [Straw man]**(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)**
Looking at the rating of your post, I'm not the only one who "misunderstand" what you mean.
Now I disliked my own post and regretted posting that. I am very sorry for offending you.
No offense taken, since you didn't mean to use straw man to defend capitalism. :)
I did not meant to argue with you. That was actually a post of agreement with you. Any advice on avoid making my post of agreement look like an invitation to an argument?
You just did, with your last posts ;) I don't think there is another way to put it in response so I edited mine. :)
I did not choose to go to war with Iraq based on lies fabricated by the Bush administration nor did I choose for the the USA to bomb a bunch of countries and declare the world as a battlefield and for the government to say stuff like this,
"the threats posed by alQaeda cells in Yemen and Africa underscore the evolving and continuing nature of the terrorist threat to the United States. The Conference Report ensures the United States will have the ability to meet this threat and neutralize terrorists from these groups and conduct effective interrogations"
http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=23d194d7-78c9-4c57-b2d9-31bc3bb7daeb
I'm 100% against terrorism... but what the fuck did Africa and Yemen ever to do us?
I dont get to choose wether I wear a helmet wile riding a bike. I cant choose to live in the woods and grow my own food. I cant choose not to wear a seat belt. I didnt choose to goto an incompitant school system that hated me. i cant choose to use drugs evasn though it is my body.I cant choose to walk around naked.I didnt choose to be diabetic.
Interesting question and reminds me of another question by Denninger:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=199070
Here is the text:
First Principles And Politics
Let's have a simple conversation folks.
It's going to be focused on just one thing: First Principles.
Just one of them, in fact. It's this: Who owns your physical person as a legal adult of 18 or more years age?
No weasel words, no ifs, ands, buts or maybes.
There are two broad possibilities, one of which is an absolute and the second leaves us to have a different discussion. They are:
You, personally.
Someone else. If your position is the second, then please so admit and we'll discuss that in the comment section. Be prepared to explain how this is not tantamount to slavery (for openers.)
If your position is the first then I challenge you to examine whatever grant of authority over your personal sovereignty you claim the government has a right to assert.
We can go into any level of detail you wish on this, but my posting of this Ticker isn't intended to focus in any one particular area. Rather, it is to challenge you to examine your first principles and then place against them the policies you support as pertain to the political party and government actors who you support and are willing to submit to in whole or part, and the conditions under which you are willing to do so.
If you can't square your position on First Principles with your political affiliations, I would argue that it is time for you to re-think those affiliations, and that it is impossible to take the first position as a matter of First Principle and still call yourself either Republican or Democrat.
I thought deeply and wisely about choice. A child will stay away from a hot stove when burned unless he has no legs or is slow on the otherhand a tornado will always find a trailer park, unless the trailers are uninhabited.
No one brought a social contract to my door.
ok to assume you have control over every single thing in your life is completely ignorant... but i agree the government has too much involvement in telling me and everyone and ESPECIALLY businesses what to do.
Did not choose to be born? That is your answer? Ya know whatZ. You could rectify that...
Does anyone choose to be born?
The Revolution has a new theme song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-GOHa5-YQ
http://occupywallst.org/forum/in-the-name-of-allah/
The Revolution starts here!
I did not choose an environment of neural linguistic nonsense,
or skitological madness -
surrounded by networks of nitwits
networks of networks
all of them nitwits
all pulling my ear
I did not choose that.
I was selected.
fukin scumbags
Would you prefer the alternative?
Yet another afraid to reflect inwardly.
why not try looking outwards? away from your own self. to those around you?
And continue to blame others for my problems? I think OWS does enough outward reflection for everyone. Inward reflection is asking yourself "what could I have done differently to improve my situation" outward thinker; "what could THEY have done differently to improve my situation"
uh, no, look around at those around you who need help, and help them. my god, you are totally self-centered. so, the only person you need to be concerned about is yourself? really? I guess you aren't Christian then.
You obviously did not chose your level of intellect either.
great response .