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Forum Post: LET's Hope the RW SCOTUS does the RIGHT Thing

Posted 2 years ago on March 4, 2015, 9:25 a.m. EST by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR
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Meet The Real People Fighting For Obamacare At The Supreme Court Today

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/03/04/3628944/rally-supreme-court-obamacare/

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[-] 4 points by larryathome (161) from Red Bank, NJ 2 years ago

Anything that moves us closer to single payer universal coverage is good. Everything else is crap. I say shut down the insurance companies and do a medicare for all healthcare system. I would pay my fair share of taxes for that and not only that, employers would not have to worry about insuring their workers, thus leaving more money for wages. Economic woes solved!!! Just ask Germany.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

single payer plan

suggest the health was not for the public but rather the payer

[-] 2 points by larryathome (161) from Red Bank, NJ 2 years ago

Just like medicare, they would take it out in payroll taxes like they do in Europe. Imagine that. No insurance companies to gauge healthcare for 20% off the top. Of course, your conservative masters cooked up Obamacare before they hated it and now, that liberals are for it, of course, the FOX news watching crowd happens to hate it with a passion. Last I checked, Romney passed Obamacare when he was a governor. The right wing however believes that people who cannot pay should just die quickly. They think that doctors should just treat those that can afford it and that the Hippocratic Oath is something that should be violated. I have never seen a group of people in my whole life get so worked up over an issue. It is quite amazing how much hate is ginned up against keeping people healthy and alive.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Two problems (there are many more):

One: Especially when so many Americans don't Vote, a RepubliCon Blocked or Controlled Congress won't pass single payer.

Two: Especially because so many people don't Vote, there is no funding for Primary Care Physicians resulting in a deficit of GP doctors to treat people. Which means: even if every American alive had single payer coverage, only a few more doctors than what we had before ACA would be able to treat new patients. Which would not be nearly enough.

BECAUSE:

Elections ~ ALL ELECTIONS ~ Have Consequences!!!

[-] 1 points by larryathome (161) from Red Bank, NJ 2 years ago

Unfortunately, we have to wait until 2020 to redistrict the six swing states that have such gross gerrymandering that the House will not be in play anytime soon. The DCCC just announced that a superpac called Advantage 2020 was launched to counter Redmap which caused the decade long flipping of the House.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Thom Hartman and Norman Goldman both say Dems can redistrict anytime they get approval. Also there are fair redistricting methods like in CA.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Can't wait to see what else they force us to buy in the future from private companies.

Idiots.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This whole ACA debacle - shows just how much that we need a national program. For instance = a guy in Alabama has his arm removed due to a workplace accident - a guy in Georgia has his arm removed because of a workplace accident - the guy in Alabama due to state workman's compensation law will get like 40,000 total coverage/payment the guy in Georgia will get 700,000 in coverage.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

it's not the arm

it's the money

arms for sale

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Good luck managing a system with 300 million unique users.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It has nothing to do with the number of people - it has everything to do with rules and regulations - and one set for a whole nation rather than 50 sets for individual states makes perfect sense - that way you don't get some poor sod in Alabama losing his arm and only getting 40,000 in compensation while a guy in Georgia loses his arm and gets 700,000 in compensation - I say both should get the same compensation for the same loss = they both lost an arm = they both should receive the same compensation = 700,000

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

we already pay the people the fed loans money to loan to us with interest

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

It's not THEY, it's US!

We dupes who don't Vote and let Corporate Interests Vote for US!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

In AZ they are thinking of forcing people to buy auto insurance.....

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Adopted & mandated in CA in 80s, can't believe it isn't there already.

Automated cars will make our driving recklessness-carelessness an unimaginable thing of the past. And limit our need for the insurance scam.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

it was satire, of course we do I think every state does, just saying being forced to buy insurance is nothing new, I just think in both cases, health care and auto, there should be a public option if you are forced to buy it, you should not be forced to pay into a for profit system

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

best we could do under the disengaged & misinformed public circumstances, but it's better than what we had. We need to build on it. But, even if we had complete Public Healthcare, we don't have enough doctors (providers) to treat 300+ million. Med students are going for specialized practices, GPs are dwindling. Not only do we need Public Healthcare, we need Public Legal Services!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Bernie supports single payer, I do to. We got some really good rulings on health care and right to marry.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

All good.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The Occupy FB has come out in support of Bernie, if people get their act together and move we can put Bernie in the White House before the devil, err I mean the 1% know what's happening...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

All good.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

It is at the federal level.

And then fined if you don't comply. With other types of insurance, you can simply decide not to own a home or not to own a car.

This is forced on you for simply being a human being.

It's really fucked up, and if George Bush was the one who pushed this onto the people (it is a Heritage plan afterall, right?) you would be howling at the moon.

Instead you go along with it. Thats how the system works. Your guys do it- good. Their guys do it- bad. Very simple. Humans are easily led.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I usually relate to the things you write and wanted to say something about the, "simply being a human being". We shouldn't consider helping the sick as optional, we should always help anyone who's sick. Medicare for all, improved, is the way to go. Until then, if you don't want to pay for insurance, pay your fine. Ideally, we won't need to force others to help the sick.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

"Medicare for all, improved, is the way to go. Until then, if you don't want to pay for insurance, pay your fine. Ideally, we won't need to force others to help the sick."

Unfortunately, if that is what you want for the country, this decision does the opposite, only strengthening the very corporations that stand in the way of it.

There was a merger this week, its now basically 3 major players dominating the market. An oligarchy.

I don't think the psychos behind this care about the sick at all. I think they see them as nothing but a pile from which to harvest profit from.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I completely agree with you about the psychos not caring for the sick at all. More money is all they care about. I'm aware of the mergers and understand the ramifications if things continue the direction they seem to be going.

We can't become like them, not caring for the sick and the poor. While we desire fewer sick and fewer poor, we should take care of the weak amongst us. Love one another. Together we should choose a better way. We're OWS and calling out the psychos for their unfairness and insist it be stopped. The hearts and minds of many people need to be enlightened or we will continue to make bad choices for governance.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

industrialization and automation has reduced the need for human labor

people are unable to recognize this fact and believe people must work anyway

so larger populations must receive income through siphoning it off an overly complex money system like insurance

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

The problem with this overly complex money system is that it makes one feel like wearing a half-assed underwear to save some money. Try that under the name of compromise and the cover of intrigue (no doubt it is an Indonesian import)!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

cotton is in the south

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Thanks for the hint. I really don't like being bitten down there - worse than poison ivy!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Two great victories for America, Marriage Equality/Freedom, ACA healthcare reform. Now let's get rid of the RW 1%-Con Political Hacks in robes by making sure another 1%-Con NEVER takes the WH again! Then do the same for Congress and States by showing up to Vote for all elections!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

One of the best shows produced & seen anywhere EVER ??? http://on.cc.com/1FMWGcF via @TheDailyShow Haa take that SCOTUS

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago