Forum Post: Let's 'Fake Pretend" that OWS is Sincere about Fixing America ... The Debate Begins

Let's 'Fake Pretend" that OWS is Sincere about Fixing America ... The Debate Begins

So the civil rights movement wasn't able to get laws made and enforced to secure the rights of all people? The NRA, AARP, environmental groups never get legislation passed? [ Excellent example of grass roots "Little People" Power in the USA - NRA&AARP]

I propose to use a system already in place, while demonstrating against its inequities. It's worked for other groups. What do you propose and, more importantly, is there a way to get what you want?

You look at the representative republic as beyond hope, that colors your thinking on the matter (We're all guilty of bias, mine just favors of the system). No democratic system is workable with apathetic uninformed voters. Even Athens had leaders that misled the people. [ Athens 'leaders' like the USA 'leaders' sold their people out to the bankers years ago ]

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The NRA & AARP have taken almost 100 years to accomplish their power.

The OWS in 5 months is pissed off it has no power, it only has liars and fools.

The first thing you have to have is 'respect' for everyone, .. funny that you compare the AARP & NRA to the OWS in terms of large organizational power.

It tooks years for the NRA to have the kind of clout it has today. One of the reasons for its success is that its very careful about its 'board' and picks only the best & brightest, and it rotates them all every few years.

OWS on the other hand is ran by liars and morons who hide and call their organization 'leaderless'. OWS has no fucking hope in hell of ever finding any clout, because its rotten to the core on the inside.

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Yes I agree about the time it often takes to build any good organization. I used to mention the tea party but that seems to raise more negativity then the NRA does on here.

My basic position is to fix whatever your group can agree is broken through the system we have. I've learned that many of the most vocal OWS supporters consider the system beyond hope, but don't have much to realistically offer as a replacement at least not openly.

I don't think anyone knew how many Occupy supporters there were in the various cities across the nation in the first couple of months. That could have worked in their favor.

You may be right about lack of veracity in the leadership. I feel they would prefer a total collapse of the economic system and see it as an opportunity to advance an anarchistic-socialist agenda.

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The OWS is not sincere, real, or anything. The internet forums exists because of the BOT's and Indian Call Centers paid for by Goldman-Sach's & SEIU ( Van Jones ) to re-elect Obama 2012, and keep the bankers out of prison.

The protesting was largely driven by partying and free food in the summer months in the city's of the USA, when it got cold the party's were terminated. They'll come out again in the spring and there will be more free food and more partying.

But this is not real, .. you brought up AARP & NRA first, and they are excellent examples of "HOW ITS DONE", ... no attempt here.

From day-one this has been a secret organization ran by Kalle-Lasn from his CANVAS project financed by SOROS. The 99% is total bullshit, in fact the bullshit is so deep here that almost all rhetoric is deleted because it can't be justified.

Where do we go? What do we do?

First of all you have to realize the USA is bankrupt, and its never again going to be the way it was, the USA is 100X more bankrupt than Greece.

The austerity coming to America will be un-imaginable. That's the first debate that needs to be done, ... but nobody here wants or thinks about reality.

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First realization is that Obama is NOT the solution as he is owned by Goldman Sachs, the stated enemy of OWS, the hated 1% is OBAMA &Blankfien &Dimon &Corzine.