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Forum Post: Let's change the world. The LOVE Amendment, to prevent fascism!

Posted 5 years ago on April 3, 2013, 1:17 p.m. EST by windyacres (1197)
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"Old enough to fight, Old enough to vote!"

When it finally dawned on the masses that it was wrong for someone to not be allowed to vote because of his age, but could be drafted to fight in wars, The 26th Amendment passed in just a few months.

LOVE has the universal power to change the world! Unite around it!

The LOVE Amendment to prevent fascism should not allow other issues to cloud the simplicity of the message. Focus on preventing fascism, (there hopefully would be a huge universal desire to learn the definition), all while promoting Love. It would be interesting who and why anyone would be against Love and preventing fascism.

Whether pressuring Washington or an Art5, the key is the numbers of people expressing their support for this effort. We need to convince the apathetic and those who are still comfortable that they should watch closely anyone who dares to speak out against a law preventing fascism. The very first response will be we already have laws to prevent fascism, but as the masses learn the definition of fascism, (A fascist believes in the sanctity of the corporate sector and the overwhelming authority of the state), the masses will notice how close we are to fascism. This might motivate the masses.

Looking up definitions of fascism someone wrote that it was corporate power that brought the rise of Hitler. If the masses knew that story well, we would have our solidarity we need.



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[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

But when will it dawn on people that selective service is involuntary servitude. We already have the 13th amendment.

[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

The draft is no longer is use. The only time the draft would come into play is during national emergency, such as the nation being under attack.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Hence - consideration for the latest North Korean Threat? Kim Jung Un stated he has cleared his military to go ahead with nuclear attacks on the USA. Well it is thought that their missile capability is about 1000 miles - BUT - we still have a treaty to protect South Korea. Japan is also within that 1000 mile reach.

So - good times - good times - with another version of an insane government - Hey?

[-] 3 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

Am I the only conspiracy minded person here? Is it possible the Korean situation is being set up as an excuse to keep the US military involved somewhere in the world? I mean we’re almost through in Afghanistan, so maybe Korea is next to keep the military industrial complex going.

I normally don’t believe in conspiracies, but damn it, why don’t we try diplomatic methods before we start saber rattling.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

I hear ya. I would love to see foreign aid go out as - clean/green technology and food and medical aid - not as billions of dollars that never make it to helping the population.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 5 years ago

Good point. I wonder what motivates the North Korean's rabid response?

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

Speculating, it's probably how much money will be used for the bribe, to the North Koreans and possibly China. One of the previous times where North Korea was saber rattling ended days after China came on board and cut off North Korea's oil flow. China has unique power over North Korea.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

What would you think if they attacked onlyTaiwan? Would the Chinese be against North Korea in that situation?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

North Korea throwing Nuclear Missiles at anyone - should ( Should ) be seen as a threat - even to the Chinese.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

And in such an "emergency", the draft would still be involuntary servitude.

[-] 0 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

If the nation was under attack would you not want to serve. I’m an old draftee. I hated every minute I was in the military, but in the long run it was one of the best things I’ve ever done.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

If fascism is allowed in the US, amendments won't mean much.

[-] 2 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

We already have fascism here. When was last time you heard of school children not mindlessly pledging their alliegence to the state?

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

I agree we already have facism, but it's just facism,"Lite" that we are experiencing at this point. The downward spiral that seems clear to me needs to change soon.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 5 years ago

Hmm, facism,"Lite". Maybe secret facism is a more apt description.

If it were not "lite", it would be overt and dark. The media veil keeps those looking for a way to forget what it really is, in step with attitudes that are aligned making whatever it is seen as, okay.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

Secret fascism is a more apt description. The media veil is actually preventing the average person from recognizing that we already have fascism in this country. After all, we don't have a dictator, and many Americans continue to believe our government is not too corrupt. They hold on to their belief that the American government is good.

Secrets... are the first step, misinformation will be next in an attempt to prevent people from being able to discern the truth.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 5 years ago

You're gooooood! It's about mental manipulation through ignorance then misinfo. The next step is here and working to be dominant.

Always rooted in social fears, referring to them, as they are conditioned into the masses at childhood. This extends quite far past what can be seen as reasonable, but most have not been looking.

From:We don't know, to what we know is wrong (so how could anything matter), to; "we don't want to know". and part of the US population is right in that position, holding the rest back. Those that know what they know is wrong or deficient are more ready to know what they need to know in order to make good political decisions IF they can ever get good info and know its good.

Preparatory amendment for an ART5 convention, 100 years overdue, legally, can end the secret fascism and a lot more. 1)End the abridging of free speech 2)Campaign finance reform 3)Secure the vote.

If Americans forget partisan, and only vote for politicians that will endorse ART5 after preparation, it will be profound at how fast this situation can be seen to improve.

I do see people realizing that activism in their states is decidedly more effective than much that happens on a federal level. The states then can legally go after the fed at ART5 through carefully designed proposals for amendment vetted by the people and direct democracy process have some uniformity over the states.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

Activism at the state level may be better, at least to set the stage for the change that's necessary. I'm still convinced we need the hearts of the masses to succeed, and anything more complex than a just cause as a spark, some kind of action or slogan, will result in division. Only if the masses become outraged together will we be able to insist on action. The masses are ready if we can find the right spark.

Forget partisan, prevent fascism!

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 5 years ago

Well stated; "and anything more complex than a just cause as a spark, some kind of action or slogan, will result in division."

Which is why the peoples understanding of their ultimate purposes served through free speech, which purpose, by its origins also articulates constitutional intent; as only the people can define it; is a justified cause.

The spark could be Lincolns expression of a sacred concept, "the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts" The people approve of that, but HOW do they become the masters?

I would maintain, as you state, "anything more complex than a just cause as a spark," which might be refined by saying anything less than a universally justified cause. However, the unity might not appear as we expect it when we expect it. It can start slow not because it is rejected, but because it is not understood and recognized.

Therein could be the final service of the dumbing down and your word "complex" is actually critical. Imagine a case where the solution was simple, and everyone expected something complex. Simple not because it lacked complexity, simple because it works with our instincts. We basically don't have to think about it, we already know. It is natural law. All we have to know is ourselves and each other.

And, have the capacity to share widely enough to make the understanding of this universal perspective work with the people of today. There is the chicken & egg aspect hinging on our ability to use the capacity to share that we do have, and create a powerfully expanding realization of our right, and duty, to share, then agree upon constitutional intent adhering to natural law.

Curiously, the agreement that expands to a national level, need not start anywhere near that level. That agreement is known on a personal level so deep that belief in it is great enough to continue to assert it, gathering more and more people with each iteration, that in a wave of understanding, America realizes how to become the masters WITHOUT mass media leading us.

That will cross all barriers and differences and do so fearlessly in the typically casual American way we've messed things up, except this time we fix 'em.

How about, Forget partisan, focus on principle" In this case, doing so gains the power to prevent fascism (which could be inserted in the middle between forgetting and focusing).

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

I would say its quite heavy. Multi national corporations partnering with the gov, no regs for them, regs up the ass for the small guys, and rights being violated on an hourly basis.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

I agree but have they reached the point where a universal uprising of the masses would be ignored? The politicians will look out for themselves so we just need to show that we are many, they are few. It will take the 99% so solidarity around one issue, (a worthy one), is the only hope for making the story a huge national news event. The time is now!

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 5 years ago

We need a single issue that even the average person can clearly see the injustice. One that's felt directly by the majority and that can be defeated by their non cooperation. It needs to have a feedback loop. The more they refuse to cooperate, the more they feel the benefit of their actions.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

A single issue that gives hope to the average person participating, and hopelessness to the powers that be. The spark for the bus strike was Rosa Parks not cooperating. Change didn't occur immediately, requiing some sacrifice from people who needed the buses. They were highly resolved because they knew they were right, and they knew they could eventually win. We will need to sacrifice and be willing to endure the wait until we win. What is the issue, and what is the spark?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 5 years ago

"What is the issue, and what is the spark?"

The million dollar question.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

I wrote a paper a while back for a class in college comparing state worship in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy with state worship in the United States. Each of these tell their citizens to "respect the flag", "defend you country from enemies foriegn and domestic", ect.

The problem with a "universal uprising of the masses", is that these almost always go unoticed by the ruling party because they are generally ineffective as the members of such movements treat solidarity like a holy concept and do not promote individual thought among its members. OWS gets critisized for not having "a single messege", but that is really an impossible thing to achieve. Instead of uniting the masses in a single movement, you should focus on resisting injustice in your own way, while at the same time trying to convince others to do the same or similar as you. We dont need to march on washington and have carismatic orators, we need real action by people who are tired of being ruled by politicians they have never met and live and work thousands of miles away in some cases.

Start by sticking gum on surviellence cameras. It really is fun!!!!

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

I don't understand why such movements treat solidarity like a holy concept and do not promote individual thought. This is why worthy movements are generally ineffective? I disagree. The unity, the solidarity, the masses screaming for a just cause is powerful and very effective.

I don't believe a majority of Americans believe we have fascism in this country, and if they knew they would finally be outraged...together.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

movements that promote groupthing rarely succeed. Gandhi and MLK wanted people to think and act for their own sake, not for the sake of the movement.

What the majority "thinks" or doesnt "think" is irrelevant. Does the majority decide right and wrong or truth and fact? Just because people think something, doesnt make it fact.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

My original post uses the example of the 26th amendment to describe when the masses agree together that something is unjust. There were actually a few people that opposed it but they could see the writing on the wall and became quiet.

I don't believe this has anything to do with groupthink, because it's a simple concept of recognizing right from wrong. Certainly there are gray areas when it comes to other issues, where more debate is needed. Currently, because of rising fascism, debate of important issues are manipulated with propaganda or just kept secret!

Prevent fascism is a worthy cause, I hope you will consider participating.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

I'll do my thing, you do yours. If we agree, great! If we disagree, then fine! We don't have associate and coordinate with eachother to further our agendas.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

Unless we unite together on the important issue of preventing fascism, there will soon be a time when neither of us will have the possibility to further our individual agendas.

They will govern us in secrecy, and throw us table scraps every once in a while. You and I who complain may disappear.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

We already have fascism.

BB is best fought when he can't control us together.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

Replying here. I read 1984 when the year 1984 was still in the future. My remembrance of groupthink was in a society that had already lost the battle, and groupthink was the method of control. I consider that the opposite of this time of discussion. Groupthink hasn't been completely established yet. What significance of individual acts of resistance be worth in the book, 1984?

An uprising of the people around a common, just cause would be to prevent groupthink from becoming the norm. It would not be groupthink, it would be the power of the many over the few! Hope still exists. If fascism is allowed to gain complete control, we might as well just enjoy groupthink because we will be in a form of slavery.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

No but in a society that values solidarity and obedience as much as ours, I think we are quickly headed towards groupthink becoming firmly entrenched.

OWS should promote individuality at the expense of the "greater good".

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 5 years ago

BB is best fought when he can't control us at all.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

My point exactly my friend. BB controls through groupthink, without that we are free to resist. Have you ever read 1984?