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Forum Post: Let's analyze things for a moment

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 6, 2012, 11:25 a.m. EST by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL
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How does this country operate? And what kind of impact could that operation have on the world? The answer to these questions would be almost as diverse as the number of people in it, but I think it goes something like this

  • People have to elect their representatives to some government office either local, state, or federal

  • If they do not elect them, there is no government. Then there would be anarchy or dictatorship

  • Some people are rich enough to buy influence in government, so the country is for sale to the highest bidder, and this eliminates democracy

  • Meanwhile, the rest of the people cast their votes based on what the politicians say they can do for them

  • People in one part of the country want one thing, and other people in another part want something else (sometimes the exact opposite). With 535 voting members in Congress, there are that many theoretically possible divergent representations of what people want government to do for them

  • If politicians want to get re-elected, they have to provide those people back home with the things they said they wanted in order to get elected in the first place

  • Federal legislation gets stuffed full of pork in order for all the politicians in Congress to make their constituents back home happy

  • The taxpayer has to pay for all the pork, but the taxpayer has no money, so Congress borrows it from the Fed

  • The Fed prints up money and gives it to government

  • The government spends it on the pork with no idea of how to pay it back (or even the intention to do so)

  • The country goes further and further into debt in the process of wish fulfillment of its citizens in the form of pork-barrel spending

  • People get mad because the debt keeps going up

  • People blame Congress for the debt caused by pork spending that Congress did in order to fulfill citizen desires

  • The country becomes polarized as to how to "fix" government that has overspent for decades with no idea of how to "fix" itself

  • Nothing gets done year after year, decade after decade, to reduce the national debt

  • The debt rises until it is in excess of yearly GDP

  • The country sinks deeper and deeper into economic morass under the burden of the debt, heading for eventual bankruptcy and third-world status

  • Upon US bankruptcy and default on debt obligations, the world plunges into a global economic collapse due to worldwide debt network (countries all owe each other and service each other's debts, so if one country defaults the link in the chain is broken and the house of cards collapses)

  • The world enters a new Dark Age

Nighty, night...and sweet dreams

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[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

we dont need to elect people to vote for us anymore, we have internet and mail and can vote on the issues our self. Im tired in trusting in the same failed system where those people we vote for are put in a position of trust that are easily bought out by corporations and elitists!

Also, by voting thru the mail we would actually save the post office, a by product of my idea! ha!

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

the only problem with direct voting is that it does not secure the rights of minority party. Direct voting is like two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

great idea just highly corruptible and lacks the ability to insure minority rights

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

My point of the post is to point out two basic things

  • US citizens are the starting point for the national debt, not government. We have met the enemy, and he is us

  • That debt will eventually reduce us to meaningless status on the world stage

Agree? And if so, even if you eliminated representatives as you advocate, how would citizen desires be fulfilled under that way of doing things? Either way, I think severe austerity is coming for this country sooner or later (probably sooner).

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Over 3 trillion dollars printed by the FED over the last few years and the right has said nothing. Devaluation of the dollar. Subsidies for giant corporations that do not show as spending because they are simply lost revenue. Another form of WallSt welfare.

http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/CorporateTaxDodgersPR.pdf

Also, people pay in far far more than corporations

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/budget-2010/

So how is it we should keep giving all the power and credibility to business when it is the individual who financially supports the system. If we are the one's keeping it afloat, why should we pay the piper for an economy we didn't crash. I'll see billionaires stripped of heir wealth before I suffer another inch to narcissistic greed and an overactive sense of self importance from corporations or the super wealthy.

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[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

I know it doesn't make up all of the spending, but it does make up a significant amount, and politicians attempt to bury it in legislation so that no one will even be able to easily find out about it. Taken together wilth all of the other spending, it is a contributor to the debt, albeit perhaps not as significant as the OP would imply (I can see how that may have been somewhat misleading).

http://www.netplaces.com/american-government/the-federal-budget/pork-barrel-spending.htm

http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2010-08/the-10-most-absurd-pork-barrel-spending-items-of-2010.aspx?storyid=32756

http://www.cagw.org/reports/pig-book/

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You say that as if we don't get bought out by those very same corporations and elitists.

As though an elected official is some kind of super human that is immune to that which effects every one of us, every single day......

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

there is no way that corporations can afford to buy 300 million votes on every single issue, they are more likely (and are already doing it) buying out votes on our much fewer elected representatives.

We the people could be in charge of the vote count and reporting them, I think there has been voter fraud going on ever since bush's brother in florida got away with it. I want a system whereby it automatically recognized a conflict of interest take these two examples for instance:

  1. If one family member is running for office in government and can influence the outcome of another government office then the 2nd party is immediately disqualified.

  2. When any government agency sets a fee on a citizen, that money cannot be used by the government but is to be used to aid other citizens, thereby restoring a balance of power. Otherwise, what is to prevent cops from forming speed traps just to increase their revenues?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

All I'm saying is that elected officials are no more, or less human than the rest of us.

On the subject of voting?

I agree with this guy, and have long spoken against the drive for equal division, in any election process. ( that always seems to be when the real shenanigans arise.)

http://veracitystew.com/2012/09/06/moment-of-clarity-the-truth-about-voting-video/

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

ha ha ha, what a great idea if the women in this country witheld sex from the men for 3 months if they failed to vote.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Glad you liked it.....:)

On your points.

1.) I agree.

2.) City police departments have been doing exactly that since the crash.