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Forum Post: Leading Questions Shape Perception

Posted 7 years ago on April 25, 2014, 9:28 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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On June 8, 2012 LeoYo put up a forum post titled:

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

In his post LeoYo cites several founding fathers, including George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson - whom he cites at least three times.

He ends with a pair of questions, academically contrived, as if this entire exercise were some sort of final exam . . .

So, in the beginning, in what way had America been a free country?

If America hadn't been a free country at that time, then, at what point in history did America ever become a free country?

Since this forum is itself a place conducive to faceless anonymity, we could perhaps begin an examination of this essay with an examination of the name of its author, and begin by breaking this name into its distinct linguistic parts: Leo Yo. Given that there was indeed a time, long ago, where I did find highly stylistic forms of graffiti all over town, a large percentage of which did read ELeo, I confess, I do find this opening approach somewhat attractive.

Yo is a colloquial term most often used to draw attention. The term Leo on the other hand, is a bit more complex. Let us pass on matters of astro.meta.physicallity and focus exclusively on the social construct itself:

  1. Leo Clubs

    • these are volunteer opportunities aimed at children and associated with the Lions Club International. The acronym itself is said to stand for Leadership, Equality, Opportunity
  2. Leo is also an acronym often used by police officers, law enforcement industry professionals, bloggers and writers, and those who forget to tell us before hand that LEO stands for Law Enforcement Officer.

  3. The U.S. Department of Defense uses the term Leo to denote law enforcement operations

While some may argue in LeoYo's defense and insist that the possibility that Leo is simply this poster's real name is a real possibility, I would argue that the closing pair of questions clearly indicate a scholarly intellect who has in all likelihood considered carefully the impact a name may make where all other identifiers are non existent. LeoYo in my view is a clear attempt to suggest something, but what and to whom remains in question.

Turning to the title of this particular post, what is suggested is abundantly clear:

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

The suggestion is stark and undeniable: there is no freedom, there is only hopelessness.

Once upon a time this . . . suggestion . . . was known by what it attempts to do - and that is to instill a conditioned state of helplessness. The term originated from an experiment, using animals and electrical shock therapy, to behaviorally condition helplessness as a response to environmental conditions. As you may plainly see, the term has been sanitized - it is no longer conditioned but rather learned. There can be only one reason for sanitizing such a term - and that is because we are currently cultivating helplessness as a state of being. Those engaged in the cultivation do not care to admit, to themselves nor to those with whom they are so engaged, that they are not teaching so much as they are conditioning a behavioral response, a process that is much more controversial and does unavoidably carry negative connotation.

Though bound by and I confess, completely subject to the law of Gravity, I for one am not helpless - and when shocked I do insist, will contrive some means of biting that hand that shocks.

Turning to the body of the essay, we see the Founding Fathers' citations this author has chosen do express some undeniable pessimism regarding the viability of the government they helped establish to secure Freedom for the People. The events of today do clearly illustrate that this pessimism was not without reason.

Since no alternative to this overwhelming pessimism is presented within the body of the essay, since instead the body of the essay does reflect and reinforce the title itself, we must conclude that this is the position of the author himself - there is no freedom and all is hopeless. At the very least, we must accept that this is what the author would teach, and have us . . . learn.

To that there can be only one response . . .

fuk you


Finally, there are the closing questions themselves.

So, in the beginning, in what way had America been a free country?

If America hadn't been a free country at that time, then, at what point in history did America ever become a free country?

If we accept that the phrase in the beginning contained in the first question is a cue indicating some point immediately following The Declaration or the final conclusion of the Revolution that followed, then clearly we are summoned to the entire list of grievances originally issued by the Founders. It conjures the imagery of Tea floating in Boston Harbor. It suggests Taxation without Representation.

First and foremost among repelican complaints today is that of Taxation. In fact, never in the history of the IRS has it experienced such a low point in terms of influence or authority as that to which it is subjected today - and this during a period where corporate taxation is at its lowest in over 50 years and corporate entitlement is at an all time high.

LeoYo is a repelican.

The final question presents the click of the lock in this inescapable box of negativity. It suggests that if, in over 200 years of effort, we are not yet free, then surely at this point we must cease the struggle.

After our forefathers valiantly bled in the violence of revolution against global empire to secure their freedom, and after more than half a million Americans left their lives to congeal upon the battlefield to end cotton picking slavery, after the bloodshed in the cause to reassert that right under the First Amendment to assemble - and so to Unionize, after the great victory of the Suffragettes; after all of this suffering, this heartache, this sacrifice of human life - we are now told it is hopeless.

We are now told to just give up.

And to that, there can be only one response . . .


Memory surfaces of widespread and universal condemnation of the Founding Fathers on this very forum in the fall of 2011. It seems to me that this may have been the end result of conservative attempts to define our current struggle as that between patriots against the scourge of communism. With this effort their weakness is revealed.

If in the opening salvo of this contest the enemy of freedom has set to define the shape and nature of the struggle itself, as well as the meaning of patriotism and who is a patriot, then we must understand that what we are seeing is a direct attempt to control the narrative and so shape perception.

We cannot leave it to the enemies of Freedom and of Democracy to define either who we are or for what we struggle.

I say we fight to reaffirm that which is indisputable: The Sovereign Authority of the People

Consider two - no three - vital facts behind LeoYo's Post

  1. the question of freedom itself is or at least has been within the past decade and a half by my estimate, -- < we could argue far longer > -- a subject of intense curiosity and as such a justification for profound violation of human rights. Too often the victims are left either dead, terrified into silence, or so curbed by our system of Justice that no hint of wrong doing will ever attain to the ivory tower of academia . . .
  1. Acceptance of the premise put forth by LeoYo is to place all those who accept it in a state where they are open to the charge of being unAmerican - a charge quite suited to the likes of Slimy little repelican reptiles
  1. Acceptance of the premise put forth by LeoYo is to completely disregard the length of time required to reinvent a government completely from scratch that might work and then sell that program to the general public. Nothing short of armed rebellion followed by overwhelming success would make such a task even remotely possible.

Hence I say - LeoYo's Post is a service to repelicans.



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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

So, alienated and atomised from The 99% - could you get any more ridiculous ?!!! Your endless, weird, paranoid, deluded and self-referential posts, are proving what ?!! Nothing that you may imagine but then again you don't seem to know arse from elbow really do you when it comes to The 99% because you're too much of a 'lone wolf' / MadDog, as evidenced by this forum-post & your b-s comments here, right ?!

Let us take your very own backyard. Are you aware of anything going on there that has any deep 99% importance ? Despite being on snooz' long leash, what are your real views on worker organisation and unions ? Have you ever been a member of any union ? In case you ask - yes, I have. So how about we all consider this :

Do you even know about this ? If not - why not ? If so, then how come you've told us nothing about it ? Do you think it is important ? What are your real views on unions ? So what do you really think of The 99% ? Or would you really rather just run around like a headless chicken .. screaming ''libertarian and repelican'' at people like a li'l girl with a spider in her hair ?

ad iudicium ...


[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

What ''actual inducements to violence'' ?!!! WTF are you talking about ?!! How come you can talk about violence like this & https://occupywallst.org/forum/none-are-more-hopelessly-enslaved-than-those-who-f/#comment-1029719 ... when I can not even make forum-posts any more ?!

''Counter productive'' .. is you pretending that you know or even care about these issues with your back-tracking, ass-covering b-s above and the fact that you regard it as a ''polarizing issue'' - speaks volumes really. Read the articles you self-regarding, 99% solidarity lacking fkn idiot !!

fiat lux ...


[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Pfffft ! What are your views on gun-control again ?!! Bipolar + Guns = Bad Combination, btw !!!

Finally, ''I have no idea'' was your one true moment of real insight on this total b-s forum-post !

multum in parvo ...


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

You ''keep your firearms'' if you wish - just don't hurt other people or yourself with them please - despite your near constant allusions to uber-violence [ https://occupywallst.org/forum/none-are-more-hopelessly-enslaved-than-those-who-f/#comment-1029719 ] !

My purpose in asking was to further remind others of your other 'rightist' positions ... which I myself remember but tho' you hide behind alleged ''sarcasm'' ... whoTF knows how you crazy Yanks behave when push comes to shove .. after all and very sadly - we've all seen just how badly The U$A behaves on the international arena all too often lately !!

Furthermore, wtf are you linking to 'Google Searches' for - d'you believe that they constitute 'research or evidence' in any way, shape or form ffs ?!!!

I have no idea about your issues regarding that weapon you allude to. Maybe someone sold you some bullshit weaponry and you are pissed at them. Like most Brits, I don't know anything about guns - but I was an owner of and a mean shot with, a .22 air-rifle and .177 air-pistol in my youth - if that counts (now I can hear y'all laughing at me now so I'll laugh along too lol).

I am really rather amazed by just how many of your forum-posts {which at least you can make, hrumph} and comments seem to allude to me ! You seriously need to stop fixating on me, weirdo !! Go get a life - but do try not to take one !!!!

Finally, for The 99%, here's my last attempt at a forum-post : https://occupywallst.org/forum/what-the-1-dont-want-you-to-know-by-bill-moyers-a-/ which maybe people can still read if not comment on and from which the salient links were :

I at least opened your links so can you extend the same courtesy to me I wonder ?

If so, do you have any comments or have you only more self-referential b-s to offer ?

gnothi seauton ...


[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

REALLY ?!!! That is the only thing you could find to say here ?!! I take it that you did not have the courtesy to open my 99%-centric links then lol !

The ''blinders'' are all yours dude IF you get all your news from the Corporate Owned TV in The U$A.

You have NOT seen the Extremely Important nature of the Vermont Bus Strike but only read about it because it was bought to your attention here and then replied in a most glib and reactionary fashion.

So, because y'all will NEVER get the news you need to hear from Corporate MSM, then please allow me to excerpt a li'l for you from :

''Strikes are rare these days, and fewer still result in victories—so why was this one different? What generated public support for the strike, despite management's aggressive plan to blame drivers for the loss of bus service for nearly three weeks?

''This strike succeeded through a powerful combination of workers organizing on the job and organized community solidarity, the roots of which go back to at least 2009.

''According to driver Jim Fouts, "When I first came here the union was weak, because it was a business-as-usual union. Then some activists started saying, 'This is wrong. We can vote on things. This is supposed to be a democracy.' And really it was a bottom-up movement to change our union."

''Their first success was winning the right to elect stewards and participating as equals with the Teamsters business agent on the bargaining team.

''High School Student March : On the strike's first day, Burlington High School students, usually dependent on the buses to get to school, turned out on the picket line and then marched miles, accompanied by their bus drivers, to school.

''A good list of Burlington-area unions took the initiative to support the drivers on the picket lines, with solidarity statements, and with funds, although Teamsters 597 officials had not authorized support. These included nurses, state employees, university professors, teachers, United Electrical Workers, and the Vermont Workers' Center.

''Soon they were joined by every vital element in the Vermont labor movement, student and environmental groups, the Vermont Progressive Party, and ultimately... Local 597, which organized the picket lines and paid out strike benefits.

''When 150 chanting drivers and supporters packed the council's March 26 meeting, the council retracted its call for binding arbitration and instead created a committee to review management's labor practices.

''In the aftermath, the "troublemakers wing" of the Vermont labor movement is growing. A citizens group that includes drivers, Vermonters United for Public Transportation, has started up, with a focus on both optimal working conditions for drivers and better transportation options for citizens.

''The support committee has transformed itself into an ongoing Solidarity Committee and is planning a Labor Notes Troublemakers School to continue to build new leaders.''


You really need to get a grip on what '99% & WORKERS SOLIDARITY' means - especially as there was such a truly fantastic example of it in your own fkn backyard ... where IF you think that it was a ''polarizing issue'' (as you said ^up there^ in your first reply) - then you are hanging out with the wrong fkn people & are actually deluded or ... are a class traitor !

You are actually very exposed on this thread but you're very right in that Replies To ''Leading Questions - Shape Perception'' and frankly it is ever more clear why your reactionary, conservative ass used to vote for those Repelicans - that you now claim to hate, before !!

You're either a chameleon or a fraud ... or worse ... both !!!

nosce te ipsum ...


[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Fished ! Landed !! Filleted & Munched mthrkr !!!

You are a fkn fraud of The Highest Order idiot !!

Reactionary Conservative & faux 99% OWSer !

temet nosce ...


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Worra useless, bombastic buffoon ?!!! Dodging like a slippery eel !! Or should that be an elver ?!

You tried to baselessly call LeoYo a 'Repelican' but it's your ass that is now fully exposed here.

temet nosce - anguis in herba ...


[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23462) 7 years ago

Blind nationalism. The saddest form. And your personal attacks are unbecoming and speak volumes about you and no one else.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 7 years ago

Blah, blah fkn blah !!! Such verbose, hysterical and intricate dissembling over so li'l !! Pathetic really !

You do get that ... "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - is a famous quote from Goethe, right ? Stop being such a suppurating bell-end, ZenDick & calm down.

nosce te ipsum ...