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Forum Post: Death Penalty for Corporate Criminals

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 14, 2012, 3:33 p.m. EST by NoGoodTreason (1)
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Use corporate personhood against itself: Corporations are “persons,” defined as any subject of legal rights and duties, Including obeying the law, Including Criminal Code. There is wide precedent for corporate personages to be charged under criminal code. It happens all the time with tax evasion. So why not try corporate "persons" in criminal court for other crimes?

The Defendant: Chevron/Unocal. Back in the 90's, Chevron/Unocal, hired the Burmese military to help build a pipeline, and while under their employ it committed gross violations of human rights, including rape, murder, enslavement, and infanticide. Later when the victims sued in civil court, Chevron/Unocal did not dispute the material fact of the atrocities. Chevron/Unocal was warned by Amnesty International that hiring the Burmese military would be hand-in-glove with the enslavement of indigenous people. They knowingly hired the military anyway. The sentence for enslavement coerced by murder or sexual assault is any number of years to life. The death penalty could or should also apply. I am not talking about killing managers. I am talking about applying capital punishment to the corporation itself.

Here's what we need to do March on the San Ramon Chevron HQ! Organize massive phone calling/petition/postering/pestering campaign with Kamala D. Harris, CA Attorney General, and/or our local district attorneys. Let's tell Kamala her job is on the line! Make her press criminal charges. Demand Justice!

What happens if we win: Basically the stock market will lose value by the perceived amount of profits derived from criminal behavior discounted by the probability of getting convicted. In other words, crime won't pay (as much). Managers would be forced to immediately cease activities which expose the company to criminal prosecution. That's a really good outcome. And all we have to do is convince one person to simply do their job!

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Poor idea. Punish Chevron because it married Unocal?

The Corporate executives who commit the crimes need to be held accountable, not the shareholders, employees, or customers.

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

The employees and customers might suffer a brief down time but again, Chevron will want the trial to go as quickly as possible while it is "under arrest" so there won't be a protracted trial. If convicted the company would be dismantled through probate court. It's assets sold to it's competitors. Some signs would change. Services would continue.

I think shareholders should definately be held responsible. That is the point. If your investment in a criminal corporation could potentially reduce to $0.00 the risk makes it worth less to the investor and as such, managers have a new incentive to NOT engage in criminal activity.

As far as prosecuting CEO's goes, keep trying but it hasn't been working so far and this proposal is meant as an alternative approach that may or may not find more success. Managers are currently protected from prosecution by the armor of their "corporate veil." This approach attacks the armor directly. If successful, it changes everything!

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[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

This is actually a fantastic idea. It would certainly set a precedent.

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

Anyone think this would get read better if I made it shorter?

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

Thank you very much. Let's do it! Let's get started!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I have some relatives in CA. I may have to get in touch with them.

[-] 0 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

I'd appreciate that. They are welcome to contact me. There's got to be a lot of OO people around these forums also. San Ramon is only 30 minutes away from Oakland.

California Attorney General's Office Victims' Services Unit P.O. Box 944255 Sacramento, CA 94244-2550 Phone Toll-free: (877) 433-9069

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Noted. And I bookmarked your site. I'll check it out later today.

[-] 0 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

Maybe we should withold phone calls and letters though until there are more supporters of this idea. Maybe a phone/letter writing campaign isn't the right course of action. Any lawyers have opinions here?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Was that comment just a bump or was it meant for someone specific? You replied to yourself.

[-] 0 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

It was an afterthought so I thought it made more sense to frame it as a reply rather than an edit.

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

bmp

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

Geez guys I shortened it and everything! discuss.

[-] 1 points by NoGoodTreason (1) 2 years ago

Revised and shortened