Forum Post: Keystone Spilling Already
Posted 11 years ago on March 31, 2013, 9:17 p.m. EST by quantumystic
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Mark Zuckerberg's new political group is supporting Keystone drilling and spending lots of money to do so:
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/04/26/1925921/mark-zuckerbergs-new-political-group-spending-big-on-ads-supporting-keystone-xl-and-oil-drilling/?mobile=nc
zuckerberg is a piece of shit everyone knows that just ask the winklevoss twins. the only people who hero worship him are abject fools he is not a forward thinker or revolutionary in anyway. stealing ideas doesn't take any talent. he is a hack a fraud and a loser and i would spit on him if he was with in 6 ft.
And taxpayers pay for cleanup.
http://www.nationofchange.org/toxic-and-tax-exempt-american-taxpayers-foot-bill-tar-sands-oil-spill-cleanup-1365000156
Disgusting
OMG. Exxon LITERALLY Just Spilled Oil In Your Backyard. Not Joking.
Our govt at work!!
http://www.nationofchange.org/us-pipeline-authorities-order-exxon-mobile-take-corrective-action-oil-spill-1365005908
I feel better already. NOT!!
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Exxon gets safety award! Whaaaaat!
http://rt.com/usa/mayflower-spill-cleanup-video-410/
Un fuckin believable
84,000 Gallons is a lot to spill. I think they are supposed to have auto shut off valves to kill the flow as soon as pressure is lost.
Hard to believe any big oil companies is measuring Safety with the right metrics.... people exposed to the chemicals probably are not counted.
Here is an interesting insider, think he wants to spill the beans on US Banking as a former Government Banking Official. http://govwhistleblower.wordpress.com/ I have a text where he is asking for a major journalists to talk to him.
Outrageous.
Ode to the MIC and other corpoRATions?
Another reason to unfriend facebook
http://www.nationofchange.org/mark-zuckerberg-s-new-political-group-spending-big-ads-supporting-keystone-xl-and-oil-drilling-13670
FYI, (& bump to remind us)
Black Sabbath War Pigs Lyrics
Ahhhhh - long time since I last heard that. Thought it sounded familiar. All this time and the wheel just keeps on turning.
UPD: on keystone opposition.
http://www.nationofchange.org/keystone-opponents-deepen-criticism-proposed-pipeline-1366471707
How are you?
Add a statement in opposition to keystone
http://us.greenpeace.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=29901.0&dlv_id=35982
Time is running out to be heard during the public comment period.
More Exxon skulduggery
http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/04/arkansas-tv-stations-pull-ad-criticizing-exxon-after-legal-threats.html
Oil diverted to wetlands????
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/07/activists-claim-arkansas-oil-spill-diverted-into-wetland/
Outrageous
Likely carried there by the storm sewers.
Activists are suggesting the oil company engineered the diversion.
Who knows.
It is catastrophic in any event, and the oil are responsible regardless.
Yes - the fossil fuel assholes are ultimately responsible for every bit of damage caused by the spill.
We will make them pay for what they have done!
Nice dream. There is so much to accomplish before justice will be properly served.
LOL. I can dream!!!!
In the end they WILL pay. Nothing can stop the justice that is coming for them.
We must all have a dream of a better healthier world for ALL.
Something to aim for.
Thats what I'm saying.
Outrageous. Haven't seen the story on CNN or FOX.
And if this extra dirty, extra heavy crude gets to the water supply it will sink and require years of dredging and still make it undrinkable.
I watched the Ark Sierra club guy talking about the Sen, & house member who support keystone. Bought off and corrupt.
More pressure on ALL pols, & news outlets.
The more that gets covered on the internet - that does not get covered on MSM - the more people should be saying = WTF
How can we understand
Riots by the people for the people
Who are only destroying themselves
And when you see a frightened
Person who is frightened by the
People who are scorching this earth
Yeah. Bernie was on last night taklin about it and said plainly we must change our energy system from oil/gas/coal to wind, geothermal & solar (which is cheaper than ever) and create millions of jobs.
It's a no brainer. To bad the no brainers oppose us.
The insane ( greedy ) as they can't see the need for the change over - where they would also still be making money - followed by the no brainers who can not think for themselves and see the need for the change over or the available possibilities to support the change over and new employment opportunities "because" they believe the crap about no need to change as well as the crap about new jobs being created from fossil fuel extraction/pollution. The no brainers can not see the fact that the fossil fuel industry is dying and taking us all with it - there are not gonna be massive numbers of new jobs - the industry is already established as to the needs of workers - they move from site to site or get laid off as a site is abandoned to go to a new location to rape - where there will also be laborers looking for work - until that site gets played out - then the cycle repeats.
Exactly. they employ far less than they let on. the keystone jobs claims are vastly overstated, the industry is driven by the same job killing "efficiencies" as other industries.
Millions more jobs await us when we make the commitment to change over to renewable energy.
Where as renewable green energy and clean tech power-plants require steady workers - steady workers to build new plants or wind turbines or solar fields or geo-thermal installations or Liquid metal battery storage and supply nodes Or or or or . Then stay and run those new installations and maintain em and upgrade as new tech makes it worth while to improve for additional output efficiency.
And we will be reducing by astronomical measure the amount of mining we currently do for fossil fuels.
The planetary destruction is not only from the burning of fossil fuels. but the mountain top removal for coal, the fracking for gas, and the drilling/pipeline transporting for oil do massive damage and will all go away.
Truly a no brainer!!!
Yep - poison process ( fossil fuel ) from start to finish - land water air and all forms of life.
This is one of the most important issues we must fight for (along with money out of politics)
All life on earth is threatened by our current course.
Yep - and it all comes back to the same untreated mental illness = GREED.
Always follow the money. A timeless trueism.
Geo and solar are really good, but wind sucks. The amount of mining needed to be done for the amount of energy it creates is really out of whack. Theres an incredible amount of REE's in each windmill, WAY more than justifies what it produces.
Solar on the other hand, is incredible. Ofcourse, we could create an open air system, which is already doable, and that would be a huge relief.
And as stated before, the amount of bailouts could have put a solar unit on every house in the nation, thus eliminating all that pollution and bills, and eventually car gas bills too.
Pretty much the people who dont want this are the ones in the pockets of the oil and gas companies.
Big things. Radical things. Push the bar.
We need a "manhattan project" to create millions of wind turbines, and widespread solar use, along with implementation of extensive building energy efficiency.
Have fun ripping half the planet apart for your windfarms.
Oh please nabob, look for reasons to progress, stop spouting talking points against progress.
We are already dealing with the rare earth element issue.
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/03/recycling-rare-earth-neodymium-and-samarium-ionic-liquids
You mention challenges not reasons to forgo these superior energy generation methods.
Reason- the amount of mining.
China controls almost all new mines. The USA is going to have to start digging again.
Some methods are better than others.
A fraction of the mining/damage we do now for mountain top removal for coal, or fracking for gas, or drilling/pipeline transporting for oil.
You bring up a non issue. No one will be tearing up the planet for the REE required for wind turbines.
We WILL be reducing astronomically the amount of tearing up the planet if we can stop fossil fuel mining.
But you know that already right.?
Just more weak attempts to discourage progress with false fears.
LOL. whatta joke.
So as long as its less than fossil fuel, dont prioritize? You sound like a god damn idiot. How many people have you chased away from here over the past year.
Wtf?
It is a FRACTION of the mining.!!! Not just less. We will be replacing massive amounts of mining.
So yeah that is the goal. Switch to renewables in order to drastically reduce the amount of planetary destruction from fossil fuel extraction.
I ain't chased anyone away. I never attempt to silence people, or attack personally, or suggest banning people. I like challenging you nabobs.
What would I do without you. "You complete me". Please don't go. I need you. Who else am I gonna wipe the floor with.
Aaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!
"too much mining" ? Whatta joke!
There is significantly more mining with wind than there is with solar. To ignore that is just plain dumb.
You may want to do some research. Or keep looking like a cheerleading moronic fool. The choice is yours. Just realize that your stupidity is in a public place.
Wind and solar and geothermal ARE the best option! the comparatively miniscule amount of mining is a non issue.
You are being ignorant.
We are prioritizing the mining renewable option over the high mining fossil fuel option.
Who says we're not prioritizing.
At least I'm not trying to derail our best alternatives to fossil fuels by spewing non issues like the amount of mining wind requires.
It is nothing compared to what we will replace.
Its called prioritizing you twit. Resources and the earth arent there for your own personal amusement.
Mining for windmill materials is miniscule compared to fossil fuel mining. Well worth the effort.
Right, if we are going to change course, lets go with the worst option.
All that matters is if its an improvement. No long term thinking needed.
My god you are fuckin dumb.
We are having this conversation because you have no perspective on the massive amount of fossil fuel mining we would replace with a comparatively miniscule amount of mining for wind/solar.
So if you understood the issue intelligently I wouldn't have to correct you.
However, in fact you know the facts and are simply working hard at divisivness as always.
Wind/solar mining is nothing compared to the coal.oil/gas mining we could replace.
Windmills are way too much mining. Not worth it. Solar is much better.
The real gem is hydro.
I am aware enough of the mining required for each. but the comparison you offer is false. We must compare renewable mining to fossil fuel mining.
Then our choice is obvious. End fossil fuel extraction destroying the planet and begin the comparably miniscule amount of mining for Wind/Solar.
It is a no brainer nabob, get it?
Yep - that is another concern - toxic dump clean-up. The fossil fuel power industry should be made to do the clean-up ( more incentive for them to switch over to clean tech ).
[-] 1 points by inclusionman (4717) 19 minutes ago
Good point. And great idea. I recommend a major jobs program to recover/recycle all landfill/junk yard material.
We will reduce further mining needs, and clean up land we could better use.
Thats using the old nogin! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
If you were aware we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Consider the materials sitting in junk yards all over the USA that is not recycled or is sold for pennies a pound to Japan - where it is turned into new product - much cheaper for them to do - then to buy and process ore.
Yes we got Exxon to pay for a decades old underground toxic oil spill in brooklyn.
They have so much crime on their hands it is just outrageous.
Good point. And great idea. I recommend a major jobs program to recover/recycle all landfill/junk yard material.
We will reduce further mining needs, and clean up land we could better use.
Thats using the old nogin!
Im all for recycling, and Im all for making wise choices. Such as this conundrum- are we going to have a water shortage sooner or a tree shortage? And what are the trade offs of recycling water vs tree farms.
Even something simple such as washing dishes vs paper plates- what are the trade offs, and what is more pressing need.
I get tired of Vkag and his constant rambling and nonsense, and then the attacks on the few who actually are trying to dig.
Hemp = the answer for saving trees. As well as saving water to process trees in to paper products or other products.
For paper and so much more:
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[-] 0 points by OTP (-287) from Tampa, FL 22 minutes ago
Im all for recycling, and Im all for making wise choices. Such as this conundrum- are we going to have a water shortage sooner or a tree shortage? And what are the trade offs of recycling water vs tree farms.
Even something simple such as washing dishes vs paper plates- what are the trade offs, and what is more pressing need.
I get tired of Vkag and his constant rambling and nonsense, and then the attacks on the few who actually are trying to dig. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
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Action Alert: Demand access
http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=362
Please sign petition to demand access to the spill!
Exxon won't pay into oil spill fund? Whaaaaat?
http://www.nationofchange.org/exxon-s-duck-killing-pipeline-won-t-pay-taxes-oil-spill-cleanup-fund-1365343719
Outrageous,!!
Publics right to know?
http://www.nationofchange.org/exxon-blocks-media-covering-oil-spill-arkansas-1365262657
Whose country is this? Ours or the corpoRATions?
At this point in time - not much belongs to the People.
The struggle continues
nothing good can come of this!
http://www.nationofchange.org/state-dept-keystone-xl-contractor-erm-also-green-lighted-explosive-faulty-peruvian-pipeline-project-
FYI.
Wasn't that purty.........................:)
It will be decades before it's really cleaned up, if ever.
Those folks that live there are screwed.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/news/48852/what-10-000-barrels-of-crude-oil-running-down-your-street-looks-like
Yep - nothing is really done ( to date ) for real comprehensive clean-up - hell the industry does not even incorporate safeguards that are available - to expensive - F'n greedy assholes.
Tell the Pres to stop Keystone pipeline
http://action.sumofus.org/a/kxl-final-comments/2/3/?rd=1&sub=fwd&t=1&referring_akid=1568.1178102.IibjvP
Gotta maximize shareholder value, doncha' know.
I'd be willing to bet there wasn't a voting shareholder in that neighborhood.
I haven't heard whether it got into the nearby lake. That was the Mayors main concern when it first happened. It looked like a nice big, profitable, bass fishing hole.
It will look so nice in the sunset, with an oily sheen on it.
Look at all the pretty slimy rainbows of color. Even on that dead fish floating there. Just lovely.
Oil slicks are beautiful, but deadly.
Aw c'mon. It's as safe as fracking water.......:)
Do you think they can get a CEO to drink some?
On a serious note,.. I heard a soldier say he saw an Iraqi boy drink from water on the ground that would make you step back in disbelief. But it is the only water that people have in war.
The awful thing is ... there was no war till Georgie W. said we were at war. There was no need for war. There was a middle class. And later ... they didn't even have a currency... and didn't have infrastructure.... maybe 1 Million refugees, rape & murder in Refugee camps...
Where was CNN, Foxnews, CBS, NBC on those stories?
Sign petition to get Exxon to stop hiding info.
http://action.sumofus.org/a/exxon-spill/?rd=1&sub=fwd&t=1&referring_akid=1492.1178102.Gfu87p
They weren't among the "embedded" reporters.
Welcome to the most censored "war" in history.
I say demand Manning get a maximum of time served and I love the idea of a Nobel Prize for him.
I'm with you. Both for Manning and about the most censored war in history. They don't even gather data about the war, so the data doesn't exist... well except for from charities and foreign correspondence.
Then why did you vote for the guy who keeps him locked up?
Awww, another attempt at insult?
You can leave now.
Just saying. If someone keeps him locked up, why support them?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleblowers-stuxnet-leaks-drones
Decentralize and remove the state from our lives.
Easier to catch 'em when they're floatin'.
Plus the marinas will make a bundle cleaning off the boats.
why dont you give senator jay rockefeller ( D- W, Va)a call on that,..................his great grandfather started the company and john d reckefeller ( jay) IV still owns a substantial part of it.
10 Spills covered up!
http://www.care2.com/causes/10-oil-spills-in-a-single-month-that-have-been-covered-up.html
???
too important to leave as a link
(Reuters) - Exxon Mobil on Sunday continued cleanup of a pipeline spill that spewed thousands of barrels of heavy Canadian crude in Arkansas as opponents of oil sands development latched on to the incident to attack plans to build the Keystone XL line.
Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said on Sunday that crews had yet to excavate the area around the pipeline breach, a needed step before the company can estimate how long repairs will take and when the line might restart.
"I can't speculate on when it will happen," Jeffers said. "Excavation is necessary as part of an investigation to determine the cause of the incident."
Exxon's Pegasus pipeline, which can carry more than 90,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude from Patoka, Illinois to Nederland, Texas, was shut after the leak was discovered late Friday afternoon in a subdivision near the town of Mayflower. The leak forced the evacuation of 22 homes.
Exxon also had no specific estimate of how much crude oil had spilled, but the company said 12,000 barrels of oil and water had been recovered - up from 4,500 barrels on Saturday. The company did not say how much of the total was oil and how much was water.
Allen Dodson, Faulkner County judge who is the top executive for the county where the spill occurred, told Reuters in an interview on Sunday that the smell of crude was less potent on Sunday as cleanup efforts continued, saying it was weaker than the smell of fresh asphalt laid on a road.
"The freestanding oil on the street has been removed. It's still damp with oil, it's tacky, like it is before we do an asphalt overlay," he said.
Exxon said it staged the response to handle 10,000 barrels of oil "to ensure adequate resources are in place."
Officials from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) also were on site to investigate the spill.
Fifteen vacuum trucks remained on the scene for cleanup, and 33 storage tanks were deployed to temporarily store the oil.
The pipeline was carrying Canadian Wabasca Heavy crude at the time of the leak. An oil spill of more than 1,000 barrels into a Wisconsin field from an Enbridge Inc pipeline last summer kept that line shuttered for around 11 days.
The 848-mile pipeline used to transport crude oil from Texas to Illinois. In 2006 Exxon reversed it to move crude from Illinois to Texas in response to growing Canadian oil production and the ability of U.S. Gulf Coast refineries to process heavy crude.
The Arkansas spill drew fast reaction from opponents of the 800,000 bpd Keystone XL pipeline, which also would carry heavy crude from Canada's tar sands to the Gulf Coast refining hub.
Environmentalists have expressed concerns about the impact of developing the oil sands and say the crude is more corrosive to pipelines than conventional oil. On Wednesday, a train carrying Canadian crude derailed in Minnesota, spilling 15,000 gallons of oil.
"Whether it's the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, or ... (the) mess in Arkansas, Americans are realizing that transporting large amounts of this corrosive and polluting fuel is a bad deal for American taxpayers and for our environment," said Representative Ed Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat.
Supporters of Keystone XL and oil sands development say the vast Canadian reserves can help drive down fuel costs in the United States. A report from the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association, put together by oil and gas consultancy Penspen, argued diluted bitumen is no more corrosive than other heavy crude.
A year ago Exxon won a court appeal to charge market rates on the Pegasus line, or rates that are not capped and that can change along with market conditions without prior approval from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
That decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington D.C. said the Pegasus pipeline is now the "primary avenue" to move Canadian crude oil to the Gulf Coast. The ruling also said Exxon moves about 66,000 barrels per day on the line.
Last week PHMSA proposed that Exxon pay a $1.7 million fine over pipeline safety violations stemming from a July 2011 oil spill from its Silvertip pipeline in the Yellowstone River. The line, which carries 40,000 barrels per day in Montana, leaked about 1,500 barrels of crude after heavy flooding in the area.
Exxon has 30 days from the March 25 order to contest those violations.
According to PHMSA, the U.S. has 2.3 million miles of pipelines.
CLEANUP
Exxon said that by 3 a.m. Saturday there was no additional oil spilling from the pipeline and that trucks had been brought in to assist with the cleanup. Images from local media showed crude oil snaking along a suburban street and spewed across lawns.
Twenty-two homes in the affected subdivision remained evacuated on Sunday, though Mayflower police were providing escorts for residents to temporarily return to retrieve personal items.
Jeffers said a couple of homes "appear to have small amounts of oil on their foundations," but he had no information on damage estimates or claims. Exxon had established a claims hotline for affected residents and said about 50 claims had been made so far.
Dodson said oil that made it to the street went into storm drains that eventually lead to a cove connected to nearby Lake Conway, known as a fishing lake stocked with bass, catfish, bream and crappie.
He said local responders that included firemen, city employees, county road crews, police quickly built dikes of dirt and rock to block culverts along that path that stopped crude from fouling the lake.
"We were just in the nick of time," he said.
Exxon later deployed 3,600 feet of boom near the lake as a precaution.
Dodson said crude also got into several homeowners' yards, which will take longer to clean up.
"We've just gotten used to having pipelines go through cities and counties, and you hope something like this doesn't happen. My heart goes out to all of the people personally impacted," Dodson said.
I saw this earlier. Definitely deserves it's own post.
Outrageous, and illustrative of only one problem with is pipeline.
Good post.
Take action against Fracking PA
https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/1978-100k-say-stop-fracking-in-pa
We need all support.
Thx
(R)epelican'ts praise Exxon for what we the people are paying to clean up for them.
http://www.politicususa.com/house-republicans-praise-exxon-arkansas-oil-spill-taxpayers-cleaning.html
Proving in their minds how safe and reliable the XL will be.
Does everyone agree?
Utah tarsands seized by protesters
http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/utah-tar-sands-resistance-seizes-tar-sands-field-hazmat-suits
13 spills in 30 days.
http://www.upworthy.com/did-you-hear-about-that-big-oil-spill-that-just-happened-no-not-that-one-no-not?c=upw3
Outrageous.
Margie Alt, Environment America Executive Director (action@environmentamerica.org)
President Obama and the State Department are wavering on one of the most critical decisions facing our climate -- whether to approve the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline.
That’s why we’ve joined up with a bunch of groups from across the country to deliver 1 million comments to the administration, urging them to reject the Keystone XL pipeline between today and Earth Day.
Be one of the first to add your name to the 1 million people speaking out against the Keystone XL pipeline.
President Obama has said the right things on global warming, and has taken some critical steps, like doubling our cars’ fuel efficiency. And thanks in part to his strong leadership, our consumption of oil has dropped over 10% since 2007.
But the progress we’ve made would be undermined if we increased our dependence on oil from tar sands, which has the potential to add 240 billion metric tons of global warming pollution to our environment.
Now, that’s just unacceptable.
Join me, and add your name now. Let’s give President Obama 1 million reasons to reject Keystone.
Yours,
Margie Alt Executive Director
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Just dump it in the swamp.
No one will notice.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/07/activists-claim-arkansas-oil-spill-diverted-into-wetland/
Out of sight out of mind.
Still will and does poison the Body.
Love'n all the Cancers People???
Did you like paper towels they use to clean it up?
Doesn't look like it works too well.
Don't look now, but there OTPs buddy's, the brothers Koch, pushing the pipeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36p-zhhkL4
A Moment of Clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qscElPfc8kw
Tell the Keystone XL to go fuck itself...............:)
Tweet Worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qscElPfc8kw
Tell the Keystone XL to go fuck itself...............:)
Don't look now, but there OTPs buddy's, the brothers Koch, pushing the pipeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36p-zhhkL4
The "funny" part, is they don't have to pay for the damage, because it's "bitumen".
So it's whatever they want to do with it. They don't give a fuck.
It is toxic ( quite a bit more than lighter crude ) - it should be even a heftier fine and greater clean-up responsibility than for spilling regular crude.
I think I posted the article on how and why they don't have to pay, but my stuff has been getting buried rather quickly these days.
Just know that they don't.
Toxic spill should be toxic spill. F'n Assholes.
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Not if you're Exxon.
It's not even oil.
http://bizmology.hoovers.com/2013/04/03/no-oil-was-spilt-in-arkansas-by-exxon-mobil/
http://www.desmog.ca/2013/04/02/pipelines-carrying-tar-sands-crude-us-don-t-pay-federal-oil-spill-fund
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/04/02/1810571/exxons-duck-killing-pipeline-doesnt-pay-taxes-to-oil-spill-cleanup-fund/
Life is good, when you can write your own laws.
F'n white collar criminals.
Nothing changes until the people stop voting for people who accept money from big oil
You keep buying stuff from them for your house flipping.
Since we're changing subjects, here's a little on the reality of your other friends the NRA.
"The Last Gun: How Changes in the Gun Industry Are Killing Americans and What It Will Take to Stop It" explores how gun profiteering extends far beyond shibboleths of "self-defense" and hunting into creating a market for highly lethal hi-tech and militarized weaponry. These include assault weapons and assassination/terrorist firearms such as the .50 caliber sniper rifle.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15566-how-the-gun-industry-is-killing-americans
Don't worry, I'm sure you feel there is no cure by limiting the influence of the NRA.
It's Hollywood, unless you want to quote a movie.
Anything besides the truth that is your voting record.
Must suck to realize you helped fuck this country and still not have the balls to come clean on it.
Plenty here have, myself included, so what are you waiting for?
You're funny, in a sick kind of way.
Here's another bit of truth for you to ignore and try and change the subject yet again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmFHlMh3eMU
Yes, that video is true. I would deport them if able to. How many times do you want everyone to agree on the same stuff? All hold hands and sing together too?
We all need to be awaken to what the underlying deal is. Unity is strength. Pandering will get us nowhere.
You support them with your house flipping and your minimizing of ALEC, Heritage and so many more things you refuse to believe have anything to do with why we are here......
Just for the fun of supporting you in your multiple subject changes.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/3-year-old-fatally-shoots-deputys-wife-with-his-gun-at-tennessee-cookout/
How will you spin that one?
Nothing changes until you quit spending money with those that pull the strings.
good luck with that.
You can't even stay on subject.
Who do you bank with? Who grows your food?
Your computer was made where? And the internet you are using is prob iether comcast or ATandT right?
Votes are not the same as buying a computer. Unless you have now flipped the switch and are saying voting is not important?
Still trying to change the subject??
At least you quit with the insults.........for now.
Here's you friends the brothers Koch again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36p-zhhkL4
Be sure and buy some more of their stuff for your house flipping.
Ill buy their plywood. And vote for decent people.
You do your thing, and vote for them.
Is that the trade off?
That's because you like Citizens United and oil spills.
That's your tradeoff, not mine.
Your best things are still ignoring the truth and politicizing everything you can.
Didnt your pathetic ass just vote for the people who accepted their money?
You are quite the revolutionary, whoever you are. Keep up the good work.
Ill tell Wenonah you said hi.
YAY!!!! Insults from you again!!!!
I knew you could do it. It's all you really have.
Do you have anymore of those quotes from the John Birch Society??
You know you love 'em, and that's not just pathetic it's very, very ugly..
As ugly as you ignoring and minimizing what the Koch's have done and are still doing, while you support them, with your house flipping..
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They're going to need more paper towels.
I suppose they will buy them from the brothers Koch.
http://www.politicususa.com/arkansas-oil-spill-video.html
Exxon says, "What, me worry?"
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/04/02/1810571/exxons-duck-killing-pipeline-doesnt-pay-taxes-to-oil-spill-cleanup-fund/
Maximizing shareholder value remains intact.
8PM monday MSNBC now !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not surprised MSNBC covers this, Very little other coverage.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/31/1800081/exxon-arkansas-oil-spill/
Details and just a bump.
Oil pipeline ruptures in Arkansas, forces evacuations
KARK, an NBC affiliate station in Little Rock, reported that part of the pipeline runs through a water source that provides drinking water to nearly 400,000 residents in central Arkansas. The 20-inch wide pipeline goes through Lake Maumelle.
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With ART5 nafta can be rescinded. The business between the US and Canda supersedes the constitution. It's treason and legally it cannot exist.
The bp gulf leak was controlled by gatt, which is why the epa "told" bp to not spray corexit. Which was ignored. When the epa has authority they "order".
it is not going to happen. there will be no art 5. there will be fema camps. there will be marshal law. there will be skynet drones.
A bit apocalyptic but here's a bit more on the spill.
http://www.nationofchange.org/clean-continues-after-canadian-oil-spill-spews-thousands-barrels-oil-arkansas-1364832054
Thanks to good folks that can't understand and give up easy. If it happens, which is bad for business. So if it goes your way it will be so slow frogs don't notice.
Meanwhile those that do understand and do not give up, do what needs to be done.
It's like there is already marshal law, QM.
Try and protest peacefully, and you get maced and dragged off to the gulag. Show signs of dissidence, and you can be disappeared indefinitely without charge. Habeas corpus is now gone from us.
Exactly. We are already there in regards to a free society.
And the drones are coming.
At first, they'll only be used for "surveillance", which basically means the gov doesn't trust any of you.
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Ahhh - ZD you are hitting the point -
getting people to do what alec/koch want - an Article V constitutional convention -
deflects people from the real solutions
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Sorry I was not clear
Sanders & the new HR29 are excellent
It is a CONVENTION that would be a disaster
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Logically the first things that can be done are reversals of unconstitutional nature. Preparatory amendment deals with making the nations people and its democracy more constitutional by allowing truths to enter society that were previously barred.
Once they are able to define constitutional intent, the scope of opposition to something like corporate personhood may be almost non existent. It is very obvious we will suffer environmental ruin if corporatism is not ended soon. Gatt and nafta are empowering that, in fact, rescinding such atrocities may be automatic. Corporations will not do it voluntarily but it's actually bad for business to put up too much fight, unless you are too dirty to exist. That's what we see now from oil companies in our current abridged freedom of speech scenario where is is so easy to get away with.
where - in law - is "preparatory amendment" defined?
where - in law - is "constitutional intent" defined?
Preparation is a concept. Legally required in this case as all amendments must have constitutional intent.
I think you've already shown you do not want to know what that is.
Again - you are afraid to cite your source.
Burning witches at the stake was a "legal concept"
It worked well - didn't it?
Do you want me to cite my sources that an
Article V convention is a VERY bad idea?
Do you want me to cite my sources that an
Limitted Article V convention is impossible?
Article V states all amendment must have constitutional intent. ART5 is the source, logically America must prepare to determine constitutional intent.
shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states
Burning Witches was not logical and did not work.
Have your sources produce the sworn testimony of a mother or father who will ignore or pass the real opportunity to assure their child will grow in a nation that holds high and honors the freedom to share information and develop understandings that can create: forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting their child's life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness.
A bunch of fake elites like alec cannot evaluate ART5. No matter what they come up with. Only the people can do that.
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The phrase "All Intents and Purposes" finds its origin in the legal language, used in the court cases in the 1500s in England. The initial phrase may have been “to all intents, constructions and purposes”. The phrase for “All Intents and Purposes” is used in a modern scenario in situations where one wants to mean ‘practically speaking’ as in “The class was over for all intents and purposes but the students lingered in the classroom.
You know that this is over his head but, it is fun to watch.
I do not know why I get into this sillility with so many "different" people !
Well..............fine. I'll go get the pop corn an we can pretend that it's not another Hollywood film where we know the ending.
What are your "intents and purposes" here, all of them?
That should serve as a model, (respectively reversed:-) from what the constitution states.
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article v convention - or "ART5" is a new kind of super-glue
Only ART5 can end the environmental destruction.
If its oil and operating under GATT or NAFTA, it will continue until ART5 ends it.
Oil pipelines are a demand side problem. Stop the suction and they won't be built.