Forum Post: Judge declares Indiana ‘right to work’ law unconstitutional
Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 10, 2013, 3:15 p.m. EST by GirlFriday
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Indiana’s much-derided “right-to-work” law was ruled unconstitutional on Monday by a state Superior Court judge, paving the way for another legal battle with the state Supreme Court.
WXIN-TV reported that Judge John Sedia’s ruling found that a provision in the law requiring unions to represent workers who do not pay union dues violates the state constitution. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/10/judge-declares-indiana-right-to-work-law-unconstitutional/
Now if only the judge had done that because Right to Work strips all workers of all of their rights.
This would be the available avenue.
Yes - the judicial system kicking the shit out of right to work legislation - because it is illegal.
Let's hope that the Indiana Supreme Court rules correctly.
One would hope so - as - it "IS" a no-brainer.
Is it? Indiana law requires compensation for services rendered. Fed law says any deal worked out by union must apply to all employees.
Believe it or not, there are many factory workers who do not want any part of their union dues flowing to the democrats. The most fair solution would be to require union dues to cover union services, period. Any political donations made by unions to the dems should be voluntary contributions. That will be difficult to sort out, hardly a no brainer.
What the fuck does that have to do with knocking down Right to Work Legislation?
Requiring Unions to represent every single individual that are not even in the Union is one thing especially if it costs money to do so - money the unions would not have been spending anyway.
But - there is no need to go there in the 1st place - because Right to Work Legislation is illegal.
Believe it or not, there are many factory workers who do not want any part of their union dues flowing to the democrats.
Not when you get down to it. Show them the union busting that is coming from the Republicans and it is all over but the crying. At that point, they are done.
What about Dems who voted for one of the 6 free trade agreements over the last 20 years? Not much worse you can do to someone's job than ship the thing out.
Union vs nonunion doesnt matter when the job just simply isnt there anymore, right?
Both parties did that. Why any worker backs either of them is beyond me. I guess it just the lesser of the two option... more duopoly.
TD, don't you know that the only person on this forum who can talk about the duopoly and the fake l/r paradigm and not get criticized is Shadz?
You are right about the trade deals. RTW is not that important anymore here in Indiana since Nafta saw all the good mfg jobs shipped to MX in the 90's. Lord knows what 3rd world country they have since migrated to.
Pssstttt........you probably could get away with it, if you were less than a dick.
Ha Ha Ha. You really are funny! I very seldom insult anyone. I am a just the facts kinda person and you call that being a dick. I guess it is when the facts don't jibe with your misplaced beliefs and challenge you to defend your indefensible positions. Sorry, dearie
I don't have any problem defending my position. Ha. Ha. Ha. In fact, it's going on something like a good 9 months since you have been able to actually present any argument. Good, bad or otherwise.
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DKA, Please explain how not forcing me to donate to the democratic party "strips me of all my rights". Or, just explain how not forcing me to donate money to a mobbed up group of white collar criminals is "stripping me of all my rights". That was an awfully broad and inaccurate statement, imho
Go fuck yourself idiot - this has nothing to do with the democratic party.
Come on. Do you REALLY believe that the Repubs do not see Unions as OFA extended? Google campaign contributions and see just what groups are in the top 10 dem donors.
And please knock off the vulgarity, it's unbecoming but very telling
Again dim-wit this is not about party - this is about illegal legislation. Right to Work strips every worker of every right that workers have won.
Really? You mean it nullifies OSHA, EEOC, and all the other federal laws and agencies that protect workers?
I guess if you do not find the aca mandate on insurance a problem you wouldn't find forced union membership one, either, but I hardly find right to work "illegal". I believe over 1/2 the states of the Union do not find these laws illegal,. either
I do not appreciate insults as part of a debate.
That is exactly what it tries to do - State by State.
Too bad - I find your stupidity very insulting.
I find your self righteous arrogance amusing. I certainly do not take it personally. but maybe it's because I have a life?
justanothercockroach crawling back out of the wood work - who did you used to was? How many times booted? I can not help it if your life has left you ignorant(?) of ALEC it's sponsors and their objectives.
http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php
Goofie GOPs'll be goin' gaga over this and the UAW in Tennessee.
I wonder if the judge that made this ruling will be getting any election funds from ALEC, next time around.
It will be interesting to see how much money will spent and who will be spending to defeat him.
Doubt it SHoes. The unions will be forced to open their books to show what portion of dues is truly spent on union business, as opposed to political donations. The unions will probably decide it isn't worth the hassle. Seems to me there was some legal wrangling some years ago over forced political contributions but I don't remember how it played out. Should think you'd know since you are the self proclaimed union expert
If Unions ~ what few have survived from the 1%-GOP-Corporate war on Unions, Collective Bargaining and Organized Labor, much to the American Workers detriment ~ put ALL their funds into political donations, contributions and bribery, it would be just 1% of one drop compared to the ocean of Dirty, Filthy & Clandestine funds the 1%-Corporations, ALEC and the many Chambers of Commerce corrupt our entire democratic political system, politicians, government, society and our precious country with!!
No comparison whatsoever! And a big Red Flag signifying your utter dishonesty!
You have any links to back that claim? It certainly isn't what Open secrets shows and that is with only a PORTION of union political funding being reported. You have to dig around several reports to get the true total and it is HUGE. I will dig it out if you can produce anything that comes close to backing your lies.
How fitting, a lying self-titled roach accuses others of lying.
Recrimination: Con MO 101.
Let us know when Union bribery reaches just half of 1%-Corporate bribery, then I'll do your homework for you. Until then FO&D RW anti-American Worker bastards!
Glad I didn't bother to get the numbers. I knew all I'd get from the likes of you were personal insults...the fallback position for untenable leftwing rantings.
Recrimination: Con MO 101
Citizens United.
They don't have to reveal a thing.
why should they, if no one else does?
PS: they're already goin' gaga in Tennessee.
Do you believe that is fair in the name of transparency and all?
http://www.alternet.org/visions/true-history-libertarianism-america-phony-ideology-promote-corporate-agenda?page=0%2C0
Back on track though, do you think that people should be able to see where their union dues are going in terms of political donations?
I do. I want things as transparent as possible with politics.
I'm going to sleep, and I do hope that at some point we can have some decent conversations about union bargaining and the inner workings of them, as I have never worked for one, much less one as large as teh UAW.
I'm not your enemy. Honestly, Im not very certain on your positions on most anything. I know what you really hate, but Im really in the dark on what you support.
Good night shooz.
You're the fucking antichrist on crack.............not the enemy....shit.
I'll be darned. Been trying to figure out who TD was, but I never would have guessed Obama!
Ah, tweedle dee............you know Jeremy.
If you mention narcotics and then have to shit it usually means you have a drug problem lol.
Good night GF.
That's your gig, lol.
With your FEAR of following links and actually understanding them, you must have to drink a lot to sleep at night.
And then there's all those lies and insults.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
We won't be able to talk much, until such time as you become an honest person.
I don't hold out much hope.
Did you follow the money in N. Carolina yet?
Man, I hate to keep doing this to you, but here's a quote from the article, first sentence:
"Every couple of years, mainstream media hacks pretend to have just discovered libertarianism as some sort of radical, new and dynamic force in American politics."
With that being said, you were involved with them back in the day. What type of human being were you then?
Because you are pretty hard on them now- Im not a libertarian, but I met many in occupy who claim to be- yet you used to be one.
Did you used to hold the values that you attack others about now? If so, what drew you to them before?
I mean, again in the name of transparency....
You lie all the time. this time is no different.
The hate part I get, It's what defies you, along with the lies and of course your constant shirking.
Your research skills have always been sorely lacking.
Did you follow the money in N. Carolina yet?
Yes?
or
No?
PS It's you who is in the gang that attacks forum users.
Transparency??
You??
You're as opaque as it gets.
Heres a nice follow the money link....by....wait for it....
Follow the Money!!
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/state_candidates.phtml?s=NC&y=2012
Que Rimshot!!
If you have anymore money questions about NC, the chart is interactive. You can study all sorts of stuff. Ought to keep you busy while you are seething and drooling at the mouth about being a former Libe(R)tarian.
Did you follow the money in N. Carolina yet??
Nope..
FAIL!!
Again.
I already did,
You wrote your own check nim nil.
Don't ask me to cash it for you, shirker.
What an F'n mess - right to work - HEH - BullShit. Thing is though if the union wins on their own members behalf - then - that is or should be a win for every worker. As a decision should not have to be repeated and repeated and repeated - 1 and done.
But, they already do.
Unions representing all workers irregardless of membership?
Yep - that is how it does and has always worked out. Union fights and wins and everybody benefits.
So why all the hub-bub - unless of course the state under Right to Work thought they were being slick saying the union had to represent every worker on every complaint case brought up by an employee against their employer. If it was a court thing? I don't think the Union would mind as they would still be doing it in their own interest anyway.
End the 1% Kingdom by proxy!
Let's return Union Made in the USA to the crowning label it once was.
Proliferate Collective Bargaining nationwide to negotiate living and prosperous wages and benefits for all American Workers!
And let Organized Labor rebuild our once great and thriving Middle Class!!
when the rich pay all the taxes when they have all the money do they control the government as a right of the TAX PAYER ?
"Judge John Sedia’s ruling found that a provision in the law requiring unions to represent workers who do not pay union dues violates the state constitution."
So what does this mean going forward? Why is the state constitution involved in how unions operate to begin with?
See my earlier post in this thread. It amounts to uncompensated services.
Why would there be a "right to work" when there's no requirement to work for the Man anyway? Remember: the Earth makes food.