Forum Post: Journalist Chris Hedges loves OWS, calls MoveOn "reprehensible"
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 11 p.m. EST by EndTheFedNow
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That new site seems to make sense but when check it out, seems as if somebody else is trying to provide their own message
I can live with this site. I like the no rules, no message filterers, and the trolls well they may fool a few newcomers, they got me at first. They don't appear to be very smart and their negative comments just fuel me and my friends’ passions. If they keep coming back, then we are winning
The trolls here are actually fun and not too bright.
Awesome
This seems the opposite of what you say
Of what who says? Chris Hedges is the one speaking.
I have to admit, I didn't watch the whole thing. And I started out with a misunderstanding I apologize I didn’t mean to be disrespectful
No problem :-)
Chris Hedges is a good guy, on the side of We the People.
It appears that ppl are misunderstanding. Chris Hedges is saying: "I don't think there's any danger of this movement being seduced or co-opted ..." WHICH IS a "vote of confidence" from Chris .. he sees that the movement is not STUPID enough to be co-opted the the reprehensible MoveOn (Van Jones, and all the many campaigns moveon spawns) PLEASE read and think things thru before copycat posting! Chris is an awesome guy, a very astute/aware journalist, and he says: YOU"RE TOO SMART to be co-opted. Thanks Chris ..
Yes, that's exactly what he said and he was very clear about it. Now, let's hope he's right!
I agree.
To anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
I loved this from Chris Hedges:
"I don't think there's any danger of this movement being seduced or co-opted by Move-on.org, which is a reprehensible organization, or the Democratic party or anyone else, or the teamsters. The fact is, you've done what they have not done, which is fight back. And because you've fought back, they've been exposed for who they are, i.e. the leaders of these groups. That's why they're running to you, they are attempting to restore what little shred of credibility they have left."
I have a lot of respect for Chris Hedges, but I disagree with him on the dangers of affiliation with MoveOn & friends, not so much because existing participants will be swayed, but because of the large numbers of people who will not participate because of the understandable perception of Occupy as partisan group.
I agree with you. I think it's a huge mistake to accept the "support" of ANY organizations. They all have their own agendas, usually to further the power and influence of their own organization! I think this should be a movement where only individuals come together.
Me too.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/ for anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.
Here's what is SAD and PATHETIC. There is a REAL ENEMY: wall street and big corporations. And you choose to spend your time attacking MoveOn members who agree with you? Pathetic. If that's your movement, then it will fail. Good luck. You just ousted me from your movement cause as a moveon member, I will not put up with your isolation, judgement, and exclusive nature. If this movement is not open, they why should anyone join it?
I agree Rock Chick. We don't get to 99% by telling a bunch of people that they aren't welcome. Seriously.
Who said anything about it not being open? It certainly is as evidenced by the vast spectrum of people from all walks of life and varying opinions. Your hissy fit seems to enforce Chris Hedges' assertion. You're unable to leave your MoveOn agenda at the door in order to come together with a much broader movement.
I think you should pay attention to RockChick. She is right in my view. Can't get to 99% if we're casting some out in the cold.
I'm disappointed in Chris Hedges for this statement and attitude. Occupy Wall Street is a much welcomed phenomena and it would be a shame if any group or perspective tries to call it it's own. MoveOn has been working supportively with OWS in NYC. It has not been attempting to coopt OWS and Marxists should not be attempting to do that either. OWS has been effective not only because it's been creative, but also because it is broad and inclusive focusing on broad issues of inequality, the greed and recklessness of Wall Street, big corporations and it's money's intrusion into the media and politics. That is what has brought so many angry people together to become a movement. The kind of attitude that Chris Hedges comments about MoveOn represent is the very divisiveness that will destroy the budding movement.
Chris did not predict that it will go so far http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjJ_4r7R_S0
I'm disappointed in Chris Hedges for this statement and attitude. Occupy Wall Street is a much welcomed phenomena and it would be a shame if any group or perspective tries to call it it's own. MoveOn has been working supportively with OWS in NYC. It has not been attempting to coopt OWS and Marxists should not be attempting to do that either. OWS has been effective not only because it's been creative, but also because it is broad and inclusive focusing on broad issues of inequality, the greed and recklessness of Wall Street, big corporations and it's money's intrusion into the media and politics. That is what has brought so many angry people together to become a movement. The kind of attitude that Chris Hedges comments about MoveOn represent is the very divisiveness that will destroy the budding movement.
MoveOn is divisive due to it very partisan nature. Certainly, OWS is open to all of America. Cannot the individuals within MoveOn leave it's baggage/agenda with the organization and join their fellow humans, many of whom don't have any interest in or don't even like MoveOn? Nothing is stopping them.
Agreed: http://www.TheMultitude.org
just to add to this some thoughts i wrote elsewhere, i'm assuming Chris sees MoveOn as essentially a counter-radical force, an extension of the democratic party establishment, only considering solutions within a broken system, and as a result a massive obstacle/distraction to real progressives, the faux-liberal side of the same elite coin - he details some of these thoughts much better than i have in his last article:
http://www.truth-out.org/movement-too-big-fail/1318858329
MoveOn is not a rich powerful organization. The average donation is $20
Have you seen their financial statement?
Anyway, it's not about how wealthy they are. It's about the fact that they are NOT an inclusive organization; they extreme partisans; and OWS is inclusive and non partisan. MoveOn also has no right to try to claim OWS as theirs and to use it for their own purposes.
MoveOn's average donation is $20 from their members! and how are they not inclusive when ANYONE can join? You know who is not inclusive? YOU. I'm starting to think people like you are plants designed to gut the movement from within. The right wing knows that if OWS combines forces with MoveOn and the unions it will be unstoppable, and either you work for THEM, or you're just too dumb to know you are being used. MoveOn has never, not once, claimed OWS to be "Theirs". Grow up.
One of the founders of OWS has written about MoveOn trying to hijack this movement. If you have some loyalty to MoveOn, that's your business but it has no place trying to speak for OWS.
Yes, I'm a plant. A an anti war, anti bankster, anti empire, evil plant who wants the constitution obeyed.
and how is MoveoOn trying to hijack the movement? How? By telling their members about the protests? Really? That's what you call hijacking? Heck the only reason I even know about the big days of action is because I am on the MoveOn email list. Sad that you spit on your allies.
yeah, maybe should "we" exclude next? Nice "movement" guys.
I think they should invite these groups in with the clear understanding that they will never control the message or direction. Moveon has many members who support all of the same priorities as OWS. Eliminating these groups eliminates people. The right wing would love this development. The beginning of the end for OWS.
Why invite organizations who have their OWN agendas, when all individuals in the 99% are already invited? The invite should be "bring yourself" and leave your organization memberships at the door.
Once you associate yourself with a rich powerful well connected group, you lose control of the message.
Eliminating group affiliations does not exclude people. Corporations are not people. The individual members of any group would be welcome to participate or not.