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Forum Post: Job Creators and Job Consumers

Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 24, 2012, 4:13 p.m. EST by ogoj11 (263)
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The new name for rich people is JOB CREATORS. That makes the rest of us JOB CONSUMERS.

What a classic version of up is down, big is little, round is square, hot is cold! I think every other society in history knew who was doing the work and who was living off the labor of others.

This is not a plug for Obama, merely an attempt to grasp the absurdity of the right's ideology.



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[-] 3 points by jph (2652) 11 years ago

This reminds me of the term "middle class",. most Americans will call themselves this, WRONGLY!

The term once meant, those that do not have a 'job' or work for someone else,. but own the means of production, and conduct their own business. i.e a tailor, a butcher, a barber, etc.

Some where along the way, the phrase lost it's actual meaning,. and became a stand in for "middle income", as in I work on the factory floor for mr. bush, and earn a middle income, however, I am a worker, while the blacksmith or the cooper is in the middle class.

anyway, your post on semantics just made me remember this, could be helpful some time.

Yes, the term 'job creators' is grandiose, and wrongheaded. Clearly a propaganda tool.

[-] 2 points by Shayneh (-482) 11 years ago

Job creators are not rich people - they are everyday people who are trying to make a living running their own busines. When was the last time you talked with a small business owner to find out what job creation is really about.

It sounds brilliant to call rich people job creators and the rest of us job consumers but the reality is that making a statement like that only indicates that you don't know what you are talking about.

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

My comment was about words, Shayneh. Are you new here? Do you want to discuss small business?

What is the reality? What is the image, the ideological tool? The reality is most small business is a branch of big business, technically independent, but actually conforming to demands and rules set down by powerful giants either up or down the chain of exchange. The image is of a hardy independent creative individualism, a throwback to pre-corporate America.

This phony construction of the 'small business' is employed by both democratic and republican liars.

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 11 years ago

Well, if your comment was about "words" then you need to be more detailed in what you mean.

My comment was about job creators not being rich people - was that detailed enough for you or do you need more info.

And yes, I am new to the forum.

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

I'm trying hard to show that it's like squaring the circle. The consumers have become the creators and the creators are the consumers. Is that better?

It's like their other point: the more of our money we give to them, the richer we'll be. The more social services we cut, the more social services we'll have (because the economy will prosper and the tax base will expand, etc.) Follow this out. No one should ever give to charity because if you want to get rid of need and hunger, you should donate to the rich - to create prosperity.

The point here is that the economic philosophy of the right is so absurd that it is really challenging to perceive just how upside down it is. I don't care what the election results are, but it is an incredible ideological feat to persuade so many people to believe this stuff.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 11 years ago

If you don't like the terms worker or employee, I think "job user" might be more accurate then job consumer. I fill my position for now, when I leave it will still be there unconsumed.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

Both are equally important. Neither can survive without the other, although one group cares only for the others minimum level of survivability.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23771) 11 years ago

Yes. We need an economic system that is humane and that works for all people. Right now, we have an economic system that enslaves the people for the benefit of the wealthy and corporations which is inhumane.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

the elite take low interest loans from the FED

turn around and loan that money out multiple times at higher interest

thus putting money into the system via debt.

They determine who to loan to and what jobs to fund

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23771) 11 years ago

That's right. We have a debtor economy that is failing big time for the majority of people.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

it's designed to move money to the elite for nothing (I mean be interrest)

the system is negative sum for most

it hasn't failed. it is slanted by definition


[-] 0 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

Do you just want to enjoy an insult or are you offering to talk?