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Forum Post: It's Bullshit

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 17, 2013, 1:48 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Is this a great country or what? Or what I say . . . I mean, don't get me wrong - just because you are born a serf in this land does not mean you have to remain one, and that is great, no doubt.

It is great. It is progress. But let us be clear.

There remains an over abundance of bullshit in this land and the public is drowning.

What do I mean? Here's an example -

We bailed out Chrysler, didn't we? Yes we did. So did the Canadians, as I recall. In and of itself, not a bad thing. It kept people working, it kept parts in production, and since one of my plow trucks is a Dodge that affects me personally - and, generally, it does so in a positive way. I just put over six hundred dollars in parts into the front end of that truck, without those parts it would not push much snow. So I'm glad we are still making those parts - and if we had not bailed out Chrysler, those parts would be very hard to get, at the least, and quite a bit more expensive - if you could get them at all.

The front hub on a mid 90's Dodge contains the wheel bearing and is held on by three bolts. Three metric bolts, case hardened. They say that because there is not a lot of room between the ball joints and the universal, they made the head of these three metric bolts smaller, and removal calls for a 14mm 12 point socket.

Now I'm sure that if you live in the northern tier of the country you are quite familiar with the effect salt has on metal. Even case hardened steel. It is corrosive. After 100,000 miles a 14mm 12 point socket becomes all but useless in the removal of these three hub bolts.

The hub itself is about $110.

And replacement bolts? Case hardened, of the proper thread pitch and dimension? These are a dealer item.

$25.75 each, plus tax.

The fuckers should be gold plated.

I saved the bolts. I heated the piss out of the ears on the old hub, and used a bolt out socket. That marred the heads of two of them just enough to facilitate the use of a 14mm 12 point socket during the installation of the new hub - but the head of one bolt was just too disfigured. Needless to say, that one bolt is now worth every penny of its replacement cost - and the reason it is is because it took me over an hour using a hand file and a 13mm six point socket to reshape the head of that one bolt to make it usable.

the fucking things should have been designed with a six point head in the first place.

And they should not cost over $2 to replace.

That's bullshit. That is fraud, and as such, a lie. A lie foisted on the unsuspecting public, a lie in the name of greed - and we bailed those fuckers out.

And this, I am afraid, is but the tip of the ice berg.

The gun debate is all over the news, some kind of legislation seems inevitable, traffic at the gun dealers is backed up for miles and has been for weeks . . . . and no one is discussing practical measures designed to address the causes of gun violence.

We could have testimony before Congress regarding the War on Drugs and devise a strategy to end this madness decisively - one way or the other. But no. We will not.

We could haul analytical behaviorists and complex systems theorists before Congress and discover, once and for all, just what was meant when Lloyd Holme proclaimed in psychological record 18 that:

we have the capacity to install any behavior we want

We could also make public inquiry into the means by which the Postal Service was relieved of that tendency among a very small, but statistically significant percentage of its employees to go postal - but we will not.

Instead we will sit silent, as if with our own mouths stuffed full of bullshit, and we will smile.

fuck you.

And fuck this.


I'm so sick of this shit I could puke -

here's this instead.

~ Snoop Dogg? That just doesn't help. what was I thinking


The President wants to save but a single life, and while the President must be commended, for who would not, if that were all that were possible - yet I say, had we the capacity to be honest, and did act accordingly, we might save tens of thousands . . . .

pass me a barf bag . . . .



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[-] 2 points by Shayneh (-482) 5 years ago

Have you tried going to a "allen" type case hardened bolt that would have the same strength and should be able to meet the torque requirements.


[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 5 years ago

Well they probably had to make that bolt special with the smaller head and the higher tensel strength. Glad you were able to get it fixed.

OEM part = more money.

I am working on my 2002 Jeep liberty - the rear upper control arm ball joint went out - cost for someone to do it - $290 - cost for me to do it -$85.00

While I was under there I noticed my U joint had one two hole strap with only one bolt in it. When they put it on they missed the other hole and put the bolt in anyway.

Also found a couple wires that were worn bare - wires exposed - need to fix that along with the muffler bolts loose.

Can't complain though - 190,000 and still runs great - and paid for.


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Loss of direct sales from a single manufacturer - sabotaging standard parts manufacturing.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Snoop would agree: Stop selling arms to foreign nations, stop allowing weapons to transfer to the next war zone, stop Drone Strikes in Pakistan.

NIce Post. I probably disagree about what would happen if we closed down GM... The Detroit area is full of Machine Shops and people that would love to make the spare parts and after market parts. In fact the deal made by the government that was part of the rip off on Adelphi ... was supposed to save a parts dealer. But as I say there are tons of qaulified Machinists all over Detroit Metro area that can produce parts 24/7.

The 12 point socket head sounds like a way to control the market to buy only from a few sources as you know. Put it up with Planned Obsolecence. And other marketing and control the market strategy. But I'm not an expert. As you say ... it is an obvious rip off.

Had a neibor replace brake hubs on an older Honda, had to drill out all the bolts on all the wheels ... can't remember the cost per bolt... I think it was like $10 per bolt at least. Probably it was more like $20 like you said above.

Well you know. It was a corporate Coup that happened about the time Ron Reagan was in office, but it was the government guys that initiated the negotiations.

Nice video. Post some more videos like that one. Keep up the good work.

Oh and I guess you know ... every deal the government makes has dirt. The bail out had riders on it. It was not just GM. It was also Adelphi/AC Delco or whatever parts company. ANd they did something bad to the pension fund. Liquidated it as part of the deal for a bail out.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

The guy makes me puke, too.

I have a minor theory - don't sweat the bullshit - and everything in life is BULLSHIT.

But... there is something to be said for determination isn't there?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Hmmmmmmm.........Zen, you have moved into the fuck that I know exactly how to pronounce.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

LOL the Bieber? Really?

BTW - really like your post ( brought back many fond memories of busting my knuckles ).

Glad to see U.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

For you Zen :

[-] 3 points by Builder (4203) 6 minutes ago

Hmmm, I like that.

Where ya been, ZD?

Just watched this video about an air powered car for city driving. Cheap too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RBl1LFUQ4c&NR=1 ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

ZD - "YOU" are a character - please never change - just always feel good.

I am on a campaign that people should feed their spirit.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Hmmm, I like that.

Where ya been, ZD?

Just watched this video about an air powered car for city driving. Cheap too.



[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

That's pretty much DKA's opine too.

Hard to think about snow, when I'm in the middle of a heatwave.

I'm heading down to trek Tasmania's Overland Track soon, and it's likely I'll see a metre (3 feet) of snow up in the high zone there. Looking forward to sleeping under a blanket, instead of under a fan.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Still dealing with over 100 degrees Fahrenheit? How are the wild fires doing?

I know about centigrade just have never been real conversant with it.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I'm heading off to soak in the local creek for the hotter part of the afternoon.

Here's a handy convertor for you. http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm

If it gets above 40 C here, it's time for a swim.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

I lived in the water until I was about 12 or so. Enjoy.

Thanks for the help in the edumacation for conversant conversion.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

LOL - good comment.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Reminded me of all the times I have had to get creative as well as remain determined while trying to effect a needed repair. I still have full mobility in both hands. {:-]) well except for the broken thumbs - used to be double jointed - not so much anymore.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

So many awesome alternatives to fossil fuel being researched/tested - and the fuck of it - not presented to the public at large for review.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

These will be on the streets soon.

You can buy a dicky little compressor for under a hundred bucks.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

I want several compressed air cylinders and a full sized truck or van. 4 wheels for stability - 4 wheel drive for snow and mud and such.

I am quite a picky demanding bastard - Hey?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

They show a four-wheel version. I'm not into the three-wheelers myself. There's no reason why the same tech cannot be used in any size vehicle. City trams have been run on compressed air, and we both know how heavy they are.

Indian vehicle maker TATA are looking at this design for mass production there. Like China, they have mega-pollution issues to solve quickly.

I need a hauling capacity of close to a tonne to do the job I do, so yeah, I understand your needs, DKA.

This is just one answer to seeing five-seater two-tonne vehicles being used as single-person commuters.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Exactly - an answer to fossil fuel pollution and death - on application/implementation can be RAMPED UP TO MEET THE TASK. ( sorry the bold caps is for others who might not have stopped to consider)

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Of course. And apologies to Zen for hijacking his thread.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Me too - sorry ZEN - but it was your fault - kinda - as this was inspired by your post.


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Also - what a gr8 workout for those so inclined - just think of a recumbent seat positioning you to two pedals that when cycled turn an air compressor to fill your tank (s).

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I have a ten dollar, 8 watt solar panel that pumps air through my solar food dehydrator. There's plenty of options available.

If we leave it to big oil, we'll be using stone-age tech until there's nothing left to burn on earth.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Agree - exactly why we can't leave it to the fossil fuel industry.

Hey congratulations on the working dehydrator.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Like most of my "inventions", it's partly someone else's design, and part mine.

Four 120 mm (five inch) 'puter fans keep the air flowing where it should.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

That is funny but very inventive. Guess I wish I was around more inventive people instead of spending my life around people that were so serious. Glad I got away from that...

I'm creative, but not so much any more with electronics or computer components. Sounds good tho. Perhaps I just need to set up my old computers on a bench and think of them like my own shop. (I didn't say shit, I said shop) =:-)

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I can make a lot of money working with my hands, but it's work I've done scores of times already, so I just do as much as I need to. Much rather be tinkering.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I'm sure lots of people like to be around people like you. As I say ... maybe I was a creative kid not into the auto shop, but into the wood shop. They got a little scared of the table saw for some reason. Maybe I had a trama in my personal life that brought a lot of fear to my life... These days computer spreadsheets are creative. Sad, isn't it... lol

No, actually I ahve a lot of musical instruments around. I probably need to get on one tonight and practice. Thanks for the post.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

It is good to be able to be creative with stuff - even if someone else created the parts for other uses - retasking can be awesome.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I looked at several very good commercial dehydrators, and apart from being expensive, they use a lot of power, which I can access (we have a solar array), but I like working with what I have, and in 12 volts.

I made a very functional crane cam out of a push-bike frame and two lengths of aluminium. It always turns heads. Cost bugger-all too. ;-)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33487) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

One of the things I miss most about my last job - being inventive with stuff that is just lying around to retask or to make a unique tool for a job.