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Forum Post: It's all falling apart ...

Posted 8 years ago on July 12, 2012, 8:41 p.m. EST by elf3 (4203)
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Will the captains of industry go down with the ship ? The average American family struggles, works, plays by Wall Street rules, adheres to FICO, and the Credit Bureaus (almost sounds like a government agency doesn't it?), pays their taxes, and interest on loans, works ten times as hard for half the pay they made 10 years ago, puts off having children, tries to get educated, balances their checkbooks, reigns in spending, utilities, cars, and rent or mortgage, watches jobs go overseas, watches unions go the way of the dodo, pays EXORBITANT costs for groceries and oil/ gas, and shells out even more for cable and telecom (our forms of modern communication). Watches all our money go to large connected companies, watches monopolies reap the benefits of food stamps while they berate Americans who can't get jobs or good pay even as they are the ones laying them all off. Why are we putting up with this - why are we letting a few monopolies rule American life and ruin the quality and standard of living in this once great nation? We can change this - we do not have to accept it - do you want to wait on hold for hours to negotiate your life with someone who hangs up on you? Do you want to pay all of your money on things that simply cost what they do because they are operated by a few huge conglomerates who can charge whatever they want to. Do we want to accept supreme court rulings that mandate fines on working citizens who pool their money so it can be filtered through a private and one of the most profitable industries who thinks it's better if you die then to treat you and who dictates to your doctor how they can choose to treat you? Do we want a private corporation to track how our corporate lords will determine our value and worthiness so they can still lend to us but charge us a higher rate for our so called "sins" (at least we have knowledge of the ten commandment while FICO remains locked away like a scroll. The course of human history has not lead us this far so we can bow down to a clown in a striped suit that slaughters animals in grotesque ways - fills up the meat with fillers and chemicals and hides all the ugliness and pollution away behind some meaningless slogan. We are smarter than this. Life, evolution, god - whatever it is out there has not taken us this far to watch us wither away under the heel of a golf shoe or penny loafer on a putz who values prostitutes wearing fake tits, yachts, and Mercedes, more than human life more than the American way of life. We look at Saudi princes and think well we are not like that until you look at who is running Wall Street, who is bribing our government, who is IN our government and courts. We are in a time when the lords and kings are taking too much of our land, giving to little in return, the system is faltering now though day by day when the building blocks of the country go down - the top WILL fall are we going to let them land on top of us - or are we going to take off the weight causing the building to wobble. Let's take down Wall Street and end government corruption before it all falls apart.



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[-] 9 points by letsdomore (89) 8 years ago

Excellent post.

The elite want us to believe the 99% should work till they're elderly! Indebted wage slaves paying into the institutions they've created and obligated us to for life. It's just a more sophisticated version of an old cotton mill town 100 years ago. You work and the powers that be will extract as much of your wealth as they can back to them. This vicious cycle is designed to perpetuate itself through life.

They create a laundry list of institutions and obligate us to pay into them. Banks, govt, insurance companies, utility companies, energy companies, Wall st, etc.

Then if you are able to save any money, they want your savings too. With 401k, IRA investments.It goes right back to their institutions. Even that isn't good enough for them! Now they want to take our social security and privatize it. That way Wall st and their institutions have a giant new cash cow to gamble with and skim a percentage off the top. It's a perfect circle of enslavement. All their bills are like giant leeches sucking the life blood and independence from the 99%. We are forced to be a consumer of their inferior products. Eating their toxic food, breathing their poluted air, driving their thirsty cars, borrowing from their debt hungry banks. TPTB have conjured up this artificial society of perverse domination. The population is indoctrinated to believe they are free. People must wake up, join together and reject this unnatural dystopia

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[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

well said - a fish in a fish tank has no idea it is not free, nor that someone else is rationing it's food; nor that it is relying on someone else to clean the tank... would we blame the fish for not trying hard enough to get out of the bowl? A cow in a field has no idea it that while it eats the grass and feels happy and free that it's only purpose is to serve someone else nor that his time here will be chosen according to someone else's clock.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

I LOVE this thread !!

A-G-R-E-E-D !!!

Protesting the abomination that is "TPP" would put an emphasis on exposing the machinations of the Oligarchs....which would finally be "THINKING BIG" like we should be doing!

Do you see the secrecy? The conspiratorial nature of how they work?? How the f#ck did they get this far without us knowing about TPP??

SLAP...SLAP!! Wake Up Everyone!! Quit talking about whether we're allowed to grow tomatoes in our backyards. THINK BIGGER!!! Think past our borders, take the blinders and the limits off!!!

Expose the Globalist Oligarchs!!! THEY are the ones who have done this to you...not the bank managers!

Occupy the TPP ! (Trans-Pacific Partnership) ~The Trade deal from hell.

Get on the bus! Anti-TPP Rally - Sept 9th, in Leesburg VA.

If TPP passes, our freedoms will be in the hands of the Globalist Elite and we'll lose our Sovereignty for good.


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[-] 1 points by 11111 (3) 8 years ago

You are so right.

[-] 2 points by Madinusa (77) from Queens, NY 8 years ago

You 'nailed' that.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3346) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 8 years ago

Yes. My title insurance on recent refi over 900 dollars

[-] 1 points by 1971 (154) 8 years ago

Now they want the medicare and social security we've been paying into with OUR money our whole lives. Ryan even brags about how generous he is because he won't screw the people over 55 ! Woe be to the rest though. All I can say is it's not on me. If everyone was like me, they'd all be locked up tomorrow.

[-] 3 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

You said -- "...the top WILL fall..."

No they won't. They will simply move to another country long before "the fall" leaving a rotting corpse of mostly poor and some leftover middleclass to fend for themselves in a 3rd world country. Many of them have already given up citizenship in fact and have fled. They have tax-sheltered trillions in offshore havens. But they do not care. They have no allegience to anyone or anything except themselves because they are predators and psychopaths.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 8 years ago

Hear, hear. I suspect this is how life has always been,. we had kings, knights, and nobles, before we had 'democracy',. not much has changed as far as the few exploiting the many, well all the while claiming the high ground.

Now however, our numbers have grown so very large,. over seven billion!! and rising; http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ We still seem to think, that the planet has endless resources,. knowing really, that this is just not the case. We do live on a finite planet,. and this massive and destructive humanity simply can not go on the way we have been doing. Something has gotta' give, and it will/is,. change is the only constant.

I would like the people to rise up, and remove the few, who have claimed way too much wealth and power, for their greedy little selves,. however the system is perfect, in that the above average in intelligence are bought off with the high-end of the middle income that they seem to always find themselves in,. while the unlucky or less gifted are held in check by these bought off happy folks, that are not willing to part with their current perks,. this keeps the 1%,. the sickeningly over wealthy, buffered from the weakest in our so called civilization. So, it seems,. there will be no revolution,. just the continued steady decline of freedom, and the ever increasing distance between the top and the bottom of the social structure. The greedy live so well, and are so insulated from reality,. that they will not see the collapse, until it is way too late, to really slow or reverse it,. and the great die-back will end life for most of humanity and life on the planet with it. Sorry for the doom-speak, just my mood i guess,. and likely the truth. I see no movement to change of any significance to speak of. The people here in this forum seem to think that they can just 'vote' and make it all better,. pathetic. Like a different face on the same system will lead to any real change,. or that the system that controls life here would really allow a revolutionary change from within its own workings,. . childlike wishful thinking I say.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23372) 8 years ago

Well said, jph. I feel the same things you do. It's hard to articulate but you did a good job. Voting for one politician or another within this economic system is definitely not going to solve the bulk of our problems, the really big problems, though it may mitigate the suffering of many people in the short term. You are right, to end the decline of civilization as we know it and the complete ravaging of the earth we need to do much more than merely vote at this point.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 8 years ago

I agree, the lesser evil IS less evil,. it is the dip-shts that talk like that little move, that is still loosing ground btw, is anything to be happy about,. it is just polishing the brass on the titanic, it is still all going down.

I need to see some real substantive change,. some movement to sanity,. to a sustainable way of living (remediation, and triage is actually needed before we could even approach sustainability) in an actual egalitarian social system. Otherwise I am not at all enthused,. We need revolutionary change,. not more of the same.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23372) 8 years ago

I agree. It's hard to convey this to people, but I agree. I understand why they want Obama to win. I mean people I love, personally, will be greatly affected if he doesn't win, but I like your metaphor of the sinking ship. Ultimately, that is the truth and the truth is all that matters. An Obama victory is no panacea.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Nope - just a slowing of the tide - unless we can get some real changes instituted.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23372) 8 years ago

We need the real change, the big change, the momentous change. Watershed change.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Aint NO Bout Adoubt THAT.

And it will only be fueled by the PEOPLE UNITED.

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

You have made excellent points, but from what I have read lately, the LIBOR scandal will (or should) send shock waves throughout world banking. After all, it was an $800 trillion ripoff -- the largest banking fraud in world history.

Now here is how you can tell where the world is at with this. If they just get a slap on the wrist for LIBOR, then you will know it is too late and that they own the world lock, stock, and barrel. Game over. Economic slavery forever. BUT, if they actually break up this world-wide international banking cartel, then you will know that there is still a glimmer of hope for us and the world.

So let's just sit back and watch what happens with this, because this is the moment of truth. This will reveal the true state of the world.




[-] 1 points by Cocreator (306) 8 years ago

I propose we form The Peoples Party, We have no representation in current government and judicial branches..We are all elected.. We work at least one day a month, We address Corruption at every level, We take them to The Peoples Court and in concensus decide publicly what to do with the traitors.. We form the Peoples Forrest Service, Kick the Corporations out of our public lands, and oceans..Develop Alternative Energy,and sustainability.. Cancel Public and Private Debt, Fake money is Fake Debt.. Seize the Assets of the perpetraitors and give it to the People..

[-] 1 points by obombya (11) 8 years ago

WOW you got that right.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 8 years ago

Short answer I know but I believe the reason is that the pain hasn't hit enough people yet. It's a sad fact that a vast majority of people are only concerned about themselves and if 18 or 20% are unemployed or underemployed that means that close to 80% feel they have enough security that they won't rock the boat. I'm not saying it's right, just that until the worst happens to the majority things are likely to remain as they are.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 8 years ago

I agree....you know why...well this will say it best...

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ This website gives so much information on the world...it is scary. Yet, most information cannot be disputed...but it is still prejudiced in its pointing the finger at particular groups, races, and or countries..why is that? We also see the news on the foreign stations....yet, not much is given to the American people when it comes to truths about this global mishap of countries destroying countries and their own people....everywhere!. Most people love living this illusion that has been put before them, creating scapegoats and blaming one man, one race, one religion, one nation, since it is fear of the unknown that keeps people as mental prisoners.

Even with all the news in cyberspace, people still don't want the TRUTH!

I believe this is the age in time which goes far beyond man's comprehension of any and all occurring events, past, present and future.

May the universal force (goodness) be with us all!

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 8 years ago

I think all information can be disputed, we often get bits of the truth from everywhere. People give just enough truth to support their beliefs. Most accept only the truth that supports their preconceived ideas. We seem to be tribal in nature and that leads to distrust when it comes to people that are different.

[+] -4 points by SteveKJR (-497) 8 years ago

Think about what you just stated - If you don't like what's going on the best thing to do is "opt out". Go buy some acerage, build a log cabin from the forest, raise your own cattle/sheep/pigs - grow your own crops and be happy.

No one is holding a gun to anyones head when it comes to what they do with their life. Each person has control of their destiny and if they don't then someone else is forcing them in one direction or another.

What you don't understand is what todays society is about. It's about "want" and nothing more. There is no longer any value placed in what the people of todays society owns - here today, I will buy a faster one tomorrow - or bigger one, or smarter one - the list goes on and on.

Who's fault is that. Think about this - the poorest American in this country has it much better off then the poorest people in other countries.

As a matter of fact some have it better then the middle class in some European countries.

So, how about if our society does this - Stop pandering to television ads and turn the boob tube off. Stop tweeting, texting, facebooking useless dribble.

Focus more on improving ones life and job skills instead of squndering money away on usless, worthless day to day in your face products advertised on televesion to make you feel like you are better then the next guy because you have the latest, greatest, fastest, IPOD.

Stupid is as stupid does and we live in a country where there are a lot of stupid people - if there weren't we wouldn't have the thousand upon thousand of laws on the books.

Think aboiut that.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

You left me out in the woods in a cabin (on land I have to buy from someone by the way) as opposed to what was once the other option rather than working for slave wages for a company was to OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS. But the crux of the matter - we have reached a point where we are being forced and coerced into accepting the rules of a few corporations - choices are becoming more and more limited as they converge with one another and choices are altogether eviscerated when they are legally allowed to give unlimited money to a politician running for office by way of a supreme court ruling. IF I want to be an entrepreneur I now have to cross red tape created by a politician who owes favors to a monopoly. We're talking about corruption. I should be able to open a business and sustain myself - monopolies are crushing every small business and allowed to grow and grow and pay off landlords, pay for shelf space in grocery stores and all of that. Monopolies have made themselves impossible to compete with by becoming as large as they are and by paying off politicians to make laws that favor them and crush small business. I don't shop at Wal-mart and you are right in that unless we all begin to make better choices when purchasing we can't defeat this... but the other problem is when monopolies have converged upon us - there is not really too much choice left on where you can purchase goods especially when the majority of stores remaining are moopolies that make goods in China using slavery (no one calls it by this proper name however) - The right hates Communism - so do I - The Communistic Chinese regime forces it's citizens to make goods for Wal-mart and actually forces child labor) why haven't the American people demanded we put these monopolies out of business - oh wait yes that's what this Occupy movement is - we ARE doing something about it - but for some strange reason people like you can't see the need. - I don't get it - it seems so obvious - do you want to be told how to live or do you want to make your own destiny. Forced reliance whether done by government or corporation - it's the same thing - Think about that ...it's Communism by another name being confused with Capitalism. Capitalism is a FREE Market where we all play by the same ground rules and you and I could compete with Wal-Mart or Target. We need to scale down monopolies and bring back the American Entrepeneur and American dream - not go hide in log cabins.

[-] 1 points by WTF2 (0) 8 years ago

good reply

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 8 years ago

I don't disagree with you about big business (wally world) and other big box stores buying chinese goods to sell here. I don't disagree with you about big box stores taking over and putting small mom & pop business out of business.

However there are still opportunities for small businesses in this country to make it. .

There are lots of people who went into business for themselves and failed. Yet there are lots of people who went into business for themselves and are successful.

The main problem with this country is loyalty. There is no longer any loyalty as there was years ago. Things started changing in the 50's because everyone thought it was the governments job to solve their problems.

That's why there are thousands of laws on the books. Todays society is too busy texting, tweeting, facebooking and being concerned about stupid things instead of being concerned about things that are important.

The mentality of the X, Y and melinum generation is wanting to have the latest greatest biggest, fastest, and most impressive electromechanicalnanosecond device or thing out there.

As a result their mentality has led them down to the path of a "disposable generation". Nothing has any value worth keeping - if something changes, throw it down and get the lates dsposable product.

The other issue is wanting it cheap. Well, lots of things are now being produced in other countries and they are cheap - but they only last one or two years.

If you look at products made for the home in the 50's and look at the same item made today you will understand what I am talking about.

So, until this generation gets its head screwed on right and start paying attention to what's happening in this country instead of being concerned who is texting them - this country is screwed.

The baby boomers are going down the path of retirement - it's now going to be the responsibility of the next generation to take charge, and if wanting everything from government is the direction they go in then whatever the end result will be is what they will have to deal with.

This economy can be turned around if the right things are done. At present things are not being done right.

We can blame Obama, the Dems, the Repubs, Bush, the Euro or whatever but it starts at each and every persons home.

When the people of this country finally realize that it is they who can make the changes necessary to our "spending out of control government" and US companies doing business in other countries receiving the benefit of living in the United States things will change - but their first has to be loyalty towards this country in making that change.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

Agree !!! - also I would ask what do we do about the loan process?? (banks won't lend to anyone but corporations now for business purposes- they consider small business too much of a risk) unless forced by government as with immigrant lending. But why are so many left out of the equation? How do rebalance that so the average American can get that business opportunity as well? Right now that isn't happening - the bank won't lend to you unless forced by government or you have wealth already as collateral and in order to partake with a rental rate that is set for Dunkin Donuts or McDonalds you need more money than you could ever save on the current employment rates. I saw this documentary where they took every third world nation and found that the one common denominator between them all is that there was no possibility of entrepreneurship ... is America setting itself up to become a third world reliancy nation? In one way I see democrats understanding the imbalance and know that the people can't sustain themselves on the employment rates so they want to throw subsidies at people to help them instead of addressing the real underlying problems at hand. Which is stupid and creating yet more reliancy it's also a bit of corruption because corporations ultimately reap the benefits of those government coffers when the subsidy gets spent and it allows them consumers even while we have such a high unemployment and down economy and let's them lay people off while still selling product when people are tightening their purse strings. If banks begin to realize if they pay a bit forward and all of America benefits then they will benefit as a result instead of going bankrupt. Once again if you get rid of monopolies - they will have to begin to lend to the small businesses again or they'll have no business and they wouldn't even need a mandate it would occur naturally. There are reasons we're not supposed to have monopolies. Be it 14 separate tax id's/ subsidiary DBA names - if a company is transferring funds from one account to the other and connected financially then it should be considered one monopolistic entity under the law and forced to be broken down. We need direct ownership - no boards no committees no trusts. A real human name to go with each business; This will rebalance opportunity and make this country great again and full of dreams, hard work, a way forward... Justice for all instead of justice for Wal-Mart.

[-] 2 points by jbgramps (159) 8 years ago

Buy guns, lots of ammo. Learn to live off the grid. Cold, hungry, scared people are dangerous. Doom is upon us.

(sorry for the drama, couldn't help myself)