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Forum Post: It's all about the Hag.

Posted 2 years ago on March 15, 2015, 5:34 a.m. EST by Shule (2638)
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To this argument about Republicans versus Demoncrates, its all very silly. The primaries in either party have not even taken place. We all know about the Republicans; that not an issue. So then, what is really being argued here? Honestly, it is who is going to be the next candidate for the Democratic party. Its all about the Hag; Hillary. With so many other viable Democratic contenders out there, Why then chose the darling of the 1%? Unless the 1% is behind it all...

Folks keep in mind the hag is worse (more evil) than anybody the Republicans came up with to date. Check out:

http://www.whateverittakeshillary.org/

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[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

Hilary left behind NOTHING here in NY State except a big,fat footprint and a huge reservoir of bitterness.Also many discredited people who stuck up for her & who were betrayed when she turned right around and did what they swore up&down she would not do-use our state for a stepping stone.Still,I often wonder why she was moved aside for the sake of another candidate when it was clearly her 'turn.' It's almost like there was something the Oligarchs wanted done that they didn't quite trust her to do...

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

That something was nothing more than keep faith in the system. Too many Bushs and Clintons in a row is not good for the illusion of democracy. Honestly, I doubt she will get the spot this time as well.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

Two suitable candidates will be chosen by TPTB.The nomination for either party is ipso facto proof of corruption,and either one is acceptable to "them"

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

having to vote in a 2 party system is humiliating and insulting

[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

Being herded this way and that like a farm animal,being groomed,milked&exploited from the cradle to the grave is also demeaning,demoralizing,depressing and disgusting.I only wish I could stay alive long enough to see the perpetrators get "theirs"

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

So, is it "cat amongst pigeons time"? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-2016-_n_6391086.html or even fox in the chicken coup? Could.. The American Left's Unamplified Voice have found a bullhorn? Interesting development tho' there's never been a war Bernie didn't vote for.Good luck.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

I don't trust Bernie.He's a Dual Citizen.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

only american lives matter

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

You're right. It is that xenophobic belief that this corrupt system wants us to embrace. They have empiricle aspirations, and they can't let morals get in the way. It's incredible to me how many people buy into this, and are sitting in church today.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Dual citizen? WHAT ? I think that you are thinking of Ted Crud . . . scuse . . Cruz the Canadian.

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I tend to agree with you, trashyharry. I have done a lot of research into Sanders recently to see where he stands on the issues, especially our never-ending wars. From that, I have come to the conclusion that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He is being vehemently critiicized by not only the right, but the left as well, or the people who want a more moral, just society. To me, he is just another person who has sold out. I wish that I could believe in him, but I can't.

https://www.popularresistance.org/lets-not-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders/

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

If he wasn't a sell out, the system would have booted him a long time ago.

Here's McKinney stating how you either sign a pledge to Israel - and the financial system as a whole- or you are out..

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2011/05/cynthia-mckinney-drops-bombshell-in.html

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

AIPAC has shrewdly gained control of the majority of our politicians.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It's more than apparent that you feel threatened by Bernie.

HUH but apparently (due to your silence) you don't feel threatened at all by the current crop of rethuglican candidates.

Weird.

Weirder still - you are not all that condemning of Hillary either. Ya know the current dem front runner?

Though I suppose that you are greatly relieved to here that the rethuglicans have added to more runners to their list of hot prospects. Another CEO (who woulda thunk it? so out of character - wait a mo - huh - no it isn't - just another of the wealthy few) and A retired neurosurgeon (go figure - their hope for tearing down the ACA?)

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Yes, I'm very threatened by old man Bernie. And the Hag. And the Clown Car of Republicans chasing her...

I'm more worried about the idiots like you that support them all.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I don't support them all.

BTW - Nice of you to throw in that rare derisive comment (clown car) on the most actively evil in office and running for office.

Can someone get turdocharger a chair? He is having a tough time trying to find a leg to stand on.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Yes you do. You are just too naive to realize it.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Are you sure that Bernie Sanders is a ''Dual Citizen''? You've spun me out; how's that possible for a possible POTUS? Sorry but do you have a link for this? It sounds a bit impossible and a bit bizarre!

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

OK, maybe Sanders is not a "Dual Citizen," (Edit; with a capital 'D' & 'C),' but he is defineitely a dual citizen in that his allegiances are not soley to this country, but rather to both this country, and Israel and their bidders, AIPAC. The barbaric bombings that Israel carries out on an unarmed people are unforgivable to me.

Here's that same link that I put up earlier, with three more links at the bottom of the story. It won't be difficult for you to find yet more though.

https://www.popularresistance.org/lets-not-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders/

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Bernie Sanders ends his recent column “Let’s Stand Together” with this piece of advice: “Let’s not be fooled.” - Quite right. Let’s not be fooled by any politician appealing to high ideals when they are in the business of war and empire." - from your link and...

''Many of my liberal and progressive friends remain clueless about the US Empire, instead opting for the easy explanation: “Bush and GOP started the wars, not Obama and the Democrats.” Of course, liberals usually neglect to mention Obama’s escalation in Afghanistan, drone strikes, Libya fiasco, massacre in Gaza, etc. Most importantly, my liberal friends believe, like so many Democrats, that US citizens can force domestic reforms without directly challenging the US’ bloated, unsustainable and insane military budget and Empire. Here, they are gravely mistaken.

''Immediately, it would be worth noting that 57% of the US discretionary federal budget is dedicated to warfare. Whatever liberals and activists wish to do with the remaining 43% doesn’t really matter because the remaining 57% of the budget is off limits and devoted to Empire. In fact, it’s not even part of the discussion. The dominant discourse surrounding the US Empire still takes place within the ideological-political prism of the War on Terror. Within this context, only minor reforms have been suggested concerning the US Empire.

''For instance, Bernie Sanders once said, “The situation has become so absurd, that the Pentagon is unable to even account for how it spends its money. Now we can argue about whether we need this weapon system, or that weapon system, or the size of the Pentagon, but I would suggest there is no disagreement that we should have an understanding of how the Pentagon spends its money.” from -

''No Alternatives to US Empire: Bernie Sanders and the 2016 Elections'' By Vincent Emanuele - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41750.htm

Food for thought to say the least. Btw - can ''Dual Citizens'' be POTUS? Or serve in Congress?

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Sorry, I forgot to answer your question, although I do suspect it was a set up query. To my knowledge, our President has to be a natural born citizen. That is not the case for our Congress where there are just residency and age requirements. Both of them seem to revel in working for the interests of foreign countries; groups like AIPAC, and corporate interests who benefit from constant war, and who finance their campaigns. Our job has sadly been relegated into just observing it all.

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Our quest for Empire might be a taboo subject here, but not in the rest of the World. Our current vassals and former allies are tiring of it. Unless we realize it soon, it may be too late.

And not realizing that our "Surveilance and Police State" is connected to it is a big mistake.

http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/05/03/americas-control-over-the-world-is-rapidly-eroding/

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Meanwhile, at home... ''Corruption is Legal in America - Does The Government Represent The People'' (Video) - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41897.htm Thanks for your strong link which I recommend to all readers too.My late reply due to only just being able to see your rely here! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

military violence is easy to track unlike the money

my issue is not fiscal

I find that the argument reduced to a budget condones I would support war if it made the US money perhaps by harvesting the organs of the slain

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (985) 3 hours ago

The thing with modern war is that it only really happens these days when Bankers and Corporations can imagine profits from it in the medium and long term. The only possible 'moral war', is one of self-defense.

Your deep and instintive objection to war, is well know on these boards and this is a link in honor of that http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/30-Years-Ago-Philadelphia-Police-Bombed-a-Black-Neighborhood-20150513-0024.html - tho' it is about a forgotten incidence of a war ongoing at home, against eg. OWS!

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "we get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover"

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (1048) 2 hours ago

This is what's important - http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30818-fed-up-why-the-federal-reserve-needs-reform Now see IF you can read that and respond with some of your own relevant thoughts.

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1st track: (Dancing) "ooo look something shiny"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Show me ANY outspoken opponents in the USA government of our policy (support for) towards Israel and the Israeli killings of the civilian population in Gaza.

Can you?

I can show you one party leader who invited nuttersyahoo to come and address the congress. Who opted out of attending that event?

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

That's an interesting request. You want me to show you .."ANY outspoken opponents in the USA government of our policy (support for) towards Israel and the Israeli [massive] killings of the [unarmed] civilian population in Gaza." Your implication seems CLEAR, 'We should support Sanders 'cause he is the lesser of the evils,' with his muddling. Haven't we already done that? Many of his constituents at the Town Hall meeting he spoke at, and some of whom he told to "shut-up" were aware of his two-faced rhetoric, and so am I. You may buy into the new norm, but I won't.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Bernie Sanders did not support the Senate agreement on... www.democraticunderground.com › … › Forums & Groups › Main Jul 25, 2014 · The resolution was passed by a unanimous consent agreement, meaning no senator opposed it. 79 senators signed on to support it. Sanders could have signed ...

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Ask Cynthia McKinney about that.

The DNC in 2012 convention should have proved it to you once and for all. Guess your memory is short as usual.

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

That's not fair turbo..., we are only supposed to talk about critics of our policies on war, including our ignoble support of Israel's apartheid regime, from members of the war machine, err I mean .."the USA government."

When Ms McKinney announced her resignation from the Democratic party in front of the Pentagon, she said,

"As an American of conscience, I hereby declare my independence from every bomb dropped, every threat leveled, every civil liberties' rollback, every child killed, every veteran maimed, [and] every man tortured. And I sadly declare my independence from the leaders who let it happen..."...my emphasis. Unfortunately, it would be a cold day in hell before Sanders says anything like that.

What a woman she is...

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Oh go play in traffic.

Run along now........

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The truth just kills you old goats when it comes to politics, doesn't it? haha...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 minutes ago

Here's a mac truck of truth that I'd be interested in hearing you explain:

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2011/05/cynthia-mckinney-drops-bombshell-in.html

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And yet - to think that some members of congress opted out of attending nuttersyahoo's address to congress.

Some pretty brave dems and reps - hey?

Wait a mo - the reps didn't opt out - did they?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Opting out of a speech is clearly all it takes to keep the minions believing... Meanwhile Wall St makes a killing off of 6 straight years of bailouts, thanks to those who were there and the ones that weren't.

Political Theater and its viewers... gotta love it!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Taking a break from chasing parked cars already? Did your head bone need a break from smacking bumpers?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Here's a mac truck of truth that I'd be interested in hearing you explain:

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2011/05/cynthia-mckinney-drops-bombshell-in.html

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Run along now turdocharger.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Yes. And let the adults discuss. Because lord knows you guys have done a real bang up job for the rest of us.

Blinded by the propaganda you are.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Go chase a parked car - I betcha could even catch one.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

And once again you capture that complete inability to humor anyone or anything outside of your comfort zone or remotely different.

Nice work!

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

very much so

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

most people proved you don't "have to" you can just let the 1% rule the way we once let Kings rule, we didn't have to vote at all then, if thinking is hard work and choosing can be rough, many on here choose to make a statement rather than a choice others choose to just let the 1% decide.

Of course people could remove their heads from their asses and see that the GOP work night and day to make the rich richer and throw the bastards out of office, but then what we we do without both of the parties holding up the system? why the whole thing would most likely just crumble if that were to happen

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I know if the dem want our vote

why don't they get the GOP to drop bombs on us if we don't vote for them

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you talk like voting is giving something to someone, rather than something you do for yourself,

What is it Matt you want someone to take you out and buy you dinner or something?

If it isn't just how you want it, you will let the GOP rule and show them all! Is that it Matt?

Like I said many times with you Matt, it is all about you.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I don't want to hear either party label again

stop supporting them

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't want there to be extreme wealth inequality, at least we both know how to want....

but the difference I know something I can do about it, throw the damn GOP out of office!

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The last 6 years have been horrific in terms of wealth inequality, with the majority under Dem control.

Its a bit deeper than the idiotic letter at the end of some shmuck politician's name there barfy.

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[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

I think Obama really did foil the Oligarch's original plan a couple elections ago. The Hag had to be moved aside in light of Obama's overwhelming popularity at the time. Too bad Obama made a deal with the devil like Faust did; that he turned coat to do the Oligarch's bidding.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

What can anybody do when saying No could result in Family Annihilation as happened to the Wellstones?

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

I got that sense too. I think the day Obama won the election, maybe a little before, somebody came to him and told him what would happen to his kiddies if he did not comply. I did notice a mild cooling in his rhetoric a little after he won the primaries.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

No doubt in my mind at all.Obama is center right anyhow.It does not appear to me that he ever as gonna rock the boat very hard.Why would he? As an ExPresident,he and his family members will enjoy easy,pleasant lives ensconced in the corrupt elite class of bloodsuckers.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5051) 2 years ago

It was not Obama's overwhelming "popularity." It was that he had the shining band of Gold wrapped around his finger. "Mephistopheles is not your name; I know what you're up to just the same." - the Police.

Hillary can certainly attest to what I have stated. Ask her how she lost the Presidency to Obama in 2008.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the 2008 president wasn't popular

that's only what the media told us

[-] 3 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

People, including me were fooled by his soaring rhetoric, not so much anymore.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

his rhetoric is not moving

never was

we just go along with what the media tells is "good"

no one quotes the president

[-] 2 points by grapes (5051) 2 years ago

Man, Gold begets media's Saxon favor. Selling Destiny affords the Ring of the Nibelung. Michael Jackson's affliction turns dark skin to alabaster. Wealth whitens.

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

That could be. But he had some incredible rally turnouts when he was campaigning. I don't think the media conjured that up. I believe he quickly lost popularity soon after being elected as soon as people realized he was a sell out.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I wish I could sell out

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

I suppose it takes a Harvard degree to do that.

[-] 3 points by grapes (5051) 2 years ago

It takes understanding the Owl lurking on every dollar bill and under the toga of the Goddess. Ascending the steps of Low Library draped in a Black turtleneck sweater and Black long pants starts the ritual.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Biden bailed, and there is no way that the establishment wants Bernie as POTUS (they might give him the nod in a McGovern kind of set up).

I think Trump is planning on flaming out before it gets to the party nominations.

That being said, it will be establishment one vs two as usual.

The Dem and Rep loyalists will vote for whoever is put in front of them, with the other 25% simply going and pulling the lever because they would feel guilty not doing it.

What a racket.

[-] 3 points by gsw (3105) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Let's not abandon all hope, but it is a major challenge to have the mass of the nation rise up for justice. I still think the message of occupy has sunk,into the conscience, and it can prevail in the ballot box

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Not a chance. Its all be cradled back into the establishment parties. 95% of the people who vote dont even understand how the system works.

In all honesty, the ones who dont understand it better. They are just so dismayed they have given up because they dont see anything radically different.

[-] 4 points by gsw (3105) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Well let's educate the next gen. One day they will have a majority. They are the ones who can step up, as our gen had permitted our "leaders" take us to the edge, and beyond,

[-] 4 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

Wishfull thinking. Today's education is designed to make people dumb. What they teach in college these days besides knowing that people are to only use the latest software, is to submit to the "cloud."

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22801) 2 years ago

People need to self-educate. Ask questions. Find the right sources. Question the sources. Be skeptical. Trust yourself. Read a lot and open your mind. Look for justice, peace, truth, fairness and love.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Part of that education - could be - teaching to pay attention to what people say and then compare it to what they actually do - going on to teach accessing public records looking at issues and seeing how these people (elected representatives) vote.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

asci text format online for all government record

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

I like Bernie, I'd vote for him.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Perhaps taking our power and putting it in the hands of people whom we've never even met much less know is not a wise choice?

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

Could be. After all I did vote for Obama, and look what happened.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

TP represents unknown

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

consider last election failure to draw a majority

I don't think we should take party candidates seriously

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

no more seriously than the laws they make or wars they start, the majority in the last election don't take anything seriously, wealth, war, climate change none of it matters so much as to be worth having to think about things most people don't want to think about, hard things like making choices, the last election shows how good the 1% are at making the people just not take things seriously

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the majority don't believe their vote has power

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

Considering how corrupted and rigged our political system is I don't blame anyone. But then again I also believe the reason why our political system is so corrupt and rigged is because the majority does not participate in it. I don't mean simply going to the polls and voting for one of the candidates selected for us, but rather being active in the process, upsetting the status quo (upsetting the process), and seeing to that reasonable candidates are being put on the ballot. That is why I find it so important to do our best that the Hag does not get nominated. The 1% gots so many people already thinking she already is the Democratic party choice when the primaries haven't even started yet. Unfortunately, she will be if we people do not act.

We all also should not be so fool to think that all one has to do to affect change is vote. We need to be active in many many ways in many many dimensions..

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I wonder why? I am sure whenever you encounter such a person you explain that their vote is the most powerful thing they have.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

their voice is the powerful thing they have

voting cannot take away thier voice

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

true enough they can use their voice to complain about what the people who are elected do, of course they could use their vote, then the people who are elected might listen

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the elected know they govern with the consent of the people

no election can change that

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and no complaint can change an election, those who rule do so by the consent of the people and the people are consulted every two years and give their consent whether they choose to make a choice and vote or choose to let others choose for them, those that do not even brother to show up at the polls really should keep quite and listen to those that care enough to show up, but it seems in America the less you do to get it right the more entitled you are to bitch about the outcome, we live in a country of complainers not doers, and as a result the 1% do as they please

[-] 5 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

elections are rigged

further money detrermine our jobs and where we live

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

rigged in many ways, here a popular method is to convince people not to vote at all, where people do vote they are happier with the outcomes they get, take Denmark for instance one of the happiest places on earth and one of the highest voter turnout, America is among the lowest on both fronts, there are a number of countries you can look at as well as parameters of outcome like wealth inequality and such

http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?CountryCode=DK

http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?CountryCode=US

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

elections should be holidays

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and I should be better looking, but for now I will work with what I got

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I will not work with eirher party

I will not support war

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

blaming people is what you are good at, you blame everyone for not doing what you want,. you won't take any responsibility for what you do, or don't do, I take action and do what I can to keep the GOP from winning, those of you who do nothing share in what they do, but hey look how clean your hands are!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The 1% thank you for your help in rigging the vote.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

blame everyone else

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

As we currently have - what we have - as concerns government.

I sent this note off to Bernie Sanders. No He is by no means perfect - but He - IS - clearly so much better than anyone else who is currently running for the presidency:

First let me start off with a quote from a Paul Krugman column :

you shouldn’t care whether a candidate is someone you’d like to have a beer with. Nor should you care about politician's sex lives, or even their spending habits unless they involve clear corruption. No, what you should really look for, in a world that keeps throwing nasty surprises at us, is intellectual integrity: the willingness to face facts even if they’re at odds with one’s preconceptions, the willingness to admit mistakes and change course.

And that’s a virtue in very short supply.


You are running for the office of the president of the United States of America - and I for one say = Thank God.

There are so many things wrong with our government today as well as with corporate practices, business practices in general or wall street (financial) practices or War Practices.

Plenty of good material for you to seriously campaign on and legitimately squash your opponents.

You have been really great on such things as denouncing the TPP and Fast Tracking of it. This issue alone decides whether or not democracy survives or if our country along with a significant portion of the rest of the world is completely handed over to Multinational Corporations ( I refer to them as corp(se)oRATions - as - they are not people - they are not living - they are constructs owned and operated by the very few who are actually people) to rape pillage plunder and destroy our world however they want with no interference from anyone..

TPP is a fundamental ALL IMPORTANT issue - which if passed could make any following government completely MOOT !

But Bernie - HONESTLY - you really need to strongly denounce - BOTH - the current Israeli government/military actions as well as Hamas actions for indiscriminately attacking and killing civilians.

Don't say that what Israel has done in bombing Gaza is bad and then go on to say - But Israel has a right to defend itself. That kind of thing makes it sound like you are okaying what the Israeli defense forces have done = bombing civilians and killing hundreds of them.

I know that you do not think it is OK - BUT - "THAT" - IS the position your opponents are fostering in the public eye - to put you down.

You have got to put to rest for once and for all any ambiguity that your opponents can toss at you. You have absolutely got to condemn the bombing and killing of civilians - and not just those civilians in Israel and Gaza - BUT everywhere - INCLUDING - the killing of civilians by USA military actions (CIA actions included).

Take it for granted that you have not properly addressed these issues - admit it - and correct it. LEAD !!!! Be the progressive voice for peace and prosperity for the world.

FLAT OUT STATE THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

You need to get past the mud that is being thrown at you - Israel & Gaza being a major source of the mud slinging.

Win The Presidency - and do it on the issues - do it by saying what should be done differently - point out the technological possibilities we have as a world to promote and implement that would be clean non-polluting non-toxic. Technologies which could be exported as aid to developing countries so that they could end violence due to strife - strife of famine - strife of fighting over resources such as fossil fuel - strife over having clean water to drink and bathe and water crops.

Voice clearly what is wrong with the operation of this country - AND - what you would see done differently and how these changes CAN and SHOULD be made.

Build a solid foundation with the whole public - as well as the rest of the world.

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

perhaps people fight for control more than resources

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I can't say she is worse - more evil - I can concur however that she is every bit as bad as ANY of the rethuglican offerings. Get a load of the crazy people blindly defending her here = Her stance on TPP = none. People! She is just another Elitist!

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The hag is feeling the heat from Bernie. I'm starting to wonder what the plan is?

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

Also from Jim Webb: http://www.webb2016.com/

With so many real for the people candidates in the D. Primary, it's a wonder that the Hag is even in the running at all.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

only because the Media will not contest the war

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Shule do you get a bonus from your GOP masters for starting early?

Of course your new huge GOP majority has just begun its term, we will have lots of time to examine how your preferred GOP Party does, or as I've said I am open to ways of beating them any you have to offer, I think it is an excellent time for any who want to do something to speak out about who'd they would like to see I'm support a Warren-Sanders ticket I don't care which is on top, how about you? Of course if Al gore would get in I still think we might want to think about doing what we can to fix the damage Nader and the Greens did in 2000, especially since this will be the lowest maximum and biggest melt the Arctic has seen in human history.

[-] 4 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

It might come as a surprize to you, what I'm really after is that the Democratic Party get its act together, its priorities realigned so that people like me can vote for them. That means putting up a candidate that is for that people, and that does not mean the hag. Just about anyone else that does not cohort with the 1% as the hag does I see as a viable candidate. My personnal favorite is Jim Webb, the former Virginia Senator. If he or someone like him wins the primary I'll not only vote Democrat, but I'll also campaign Democrat.

[+] -5 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You are an ego driven fool, who stupidly does just as the 1% wants you to.

I'll be looking for that post about Jim Web and why you think he is a good choice.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I was looking through the OWS posts and I didn't see yours where you endorse Webb, of course he is the most conservative of the possibles so it shouldn't surprise that you endorse him, but Where's the post?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

you just replied to it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8780) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You do know the difference between a post and a comment, right? You also know Webb is coming at Hilary from the right, right?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

That's right.