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Forum Post: It looks like (yawn) we need to come up with another list of trolls

Posted 2 years ago on March 5, 2012, 9:47 p.m. EST by GypsyKing (8719)
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I'll start with seylion, or whatever the heck his name is, and hdean.

Please feel free to add others to the hall of shame.

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[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Two More, egoldman and toonces.

[-] 1 points by EndThrasymaque (29) 2 years ago

Hey GK....I can't believe I didn't see this post earlier. I just put up a post about identifying Thrasymaque usernames. I don't think I would have done that, had I seen this one first, but now that I'm already posted, I think I'll let it ride, as I think Thrasy is responsible for most of the troll usernames, if that's ok with you?

Some of the new folks here may not know the original Thrasymaque poster. I think the best way to stop Thrasy is just to ignore him as best we can. Don't engage him. Perhaps just respond with a quick "Thrasymaque", so he knows he's been identified. This has worked for me in the past.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think your post is great and helps people understand what's happening here. Thanks for the help!"

[-] 1 points by EndThrasymaque (29) 2 years ago

Thanks GypsyKing !!

[-] 0 points by TryingForAnOpenMind (-358) from Yonkers, NY 2 years ago

who are you to judge? Why do you try to shut down opposition? Insecurity? Most of your posts are self indulgent, whiny, boring hyperbole. We were happy when you were promising us you quit the movement...

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Oh, I enjoy opposition, if it's reasoned and directed toward the betterment of the nation and the world. What I can't stand is self indulgent, whiny, boring hyperbola, so we'd all be happy if you trolls just went back to wanking and got your own website. But you can't because you're a bunch of self indulgent, whiny, boring hyperbolics, and your idiotic false truisms would bore the balls off a brass monkey if 5 minutes flat. So you come here for a little weeny bit of attention that you can't earn through your own merits,

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Wahooooooo! I'm a troll!!!!

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Since I haven't heard back from moderation, I suggest a simple response to troll comments and troll posts on this forum. When you recongnize one of these posts for what they are, simply reply with two or three words like, "division troll." or "fear troll." That way everyone can quickly recognize it for what it is and simply ignore it. That is what I will do from here on out.

I think this could greatly improve constructive discussion here.

Thanks.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'll go with....."Just another wanker whipping up fear".

The question that remains, is what to do about the bots?

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I guess you'll have to try to talk to jart about that. That's out of my depth.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Unless of coarse you need a little R&R.

Then slapping trolls can be fun and stress relieving.

But lets avoid the use of labels that might be considered divisive. They only help the trolls.

Avoid trolls when you are able - point them out to others as they appear - try to avoid feeding a troll.

Let's have fun, but let us also be careful and respectful out there.

We move forward together.

The best place for slapping a troll is on it's own post that way a good post does not become fouled with useless troll droppings.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.

The more you Know.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks for the public service announcement. This thread is a useful tool for identifying our current batch of debased slime lords.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey - Good afternoon GK.

Just tryin to keep it real.

Trollin . . .Trollin . . . trollin on a river

Reminded me of a song.

I left a good job in the shitty . . workin for the Man every night and day

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Good afternoon DKA, (although for me it's not afternoon)

"I left a job in the shitty . . . !" LOL!!! Now you know why I live in a hut in the jungle!

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here's another but no need to mess with it.

Dr. Lou my eeeyyyeee's . . . I can not see the sky . . is this the price for having learned how not to cry...........

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Totally off topic, but did anyone ever figure out the lyrics to "Blinded by the Light?"

The best I could ever make out was that the lyrics said, "A little hurly-burly gave my anus curly-wurly and then ask me if I needed a ride!"

Jesus.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Well, it depends on whether you want this to be some liberal event sharing forum or a discussion forum. Certainly it shouldn't be opened to people who just are out to insult, degrade and bully other posters. After all, this isn't the Rush Limbaugh show. We need to have certain standards of behavior. I would hope that the moderators give warnings and stuff like that.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yeah, I just get on the subject when it starts getting out of hand again. For quite awhile the situation improved, but it seems to be taking a turn for the worse again. There is a clar difference between reasoned dialogue, and ugly, divissive, obscene and biggoted hate speach, designed merely to anger and divide. That is what I am seeing too much of here again.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Keep in mind that trolls also challenge us and keep us sharp and make us check our sources and teach us how to deal with utter futility. OK, that's all I'm saying on trolls.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Well, it's probably a good thing to keep track of these things. I just don't want to see the forum purged of anybody with a dissenting opinion. Even trolls can be instructive sometimes.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I agree with you there, and I am not suggesting anyone get purged at all. I am merely advising that when posts, or comments, from these people are devoid of any intellectual content, (which they usually are), but are meant to merely inflame people, we simply have to have the self disciplne to not respond at all. They are like naugty little boys, it just encourages them.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Darn it, you're making me say more on trolls! I do remember when this site was over-run by trolls. It did not not look like the OWS forum at all. It was more like the Troll Fens LoL. Now it's very tolerable and I imagine it is because the moderators purged the worst ones, so I'm thankful for that.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yes, I agree about that - for a long time it was pretty well under control, and I've been thankful for that too. Just recently it's started to slip again. It might help if a few of us old timers here sent the links of really impermissable posts and comments to jart.

I hate this issue, and would much rather focus exclusively on the positive, or at least the practical. But when it reaches a certain point that becomes difficult to do.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Me too.

Thankful.

[-] 0 points by YoDick (2) 2 years ago

I disagree.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Your name just went on the purge list.

[-] -1 points by YoDick (2) 2 years ago

Whatcha gonna do baby?

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Trolls do serve a purpose.

Weird how that works. But it does. Work.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

They remind us of how much work needs to be done.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey... I'm popular ............. I just got my very own personalized troll.

I'm so happy. Now GF and I have so much more fun in common.

Gosh.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I know. I'm jealous. I kinda have a troll, but she's more like a nasty imp.

[-] 0 points by GreatBallsOfFire (11) 2 years ago

Goodness Gracious!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think you can train them.

Or is that an urban Myth?

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I imagine it takes a lot of patience.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I would think so. I have not tried yet, but they seem to be pretty slow on the up-take, so ya it would seem to be a trying job.

But if you are going to be a pet owner.

[-] 1 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

Not sure but if you cut them into pieces each piece regenerates into a complete Troll so all you did was increase the Troll population. You have to burn them in a fire until they are ash!

[-] 0 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

It seems to me what matters are the boundaries of a discussion. A broad discussion about how to move OWS forward is quite different from a broad discussion about how to move a movement forward whose boundaries are larger and less well defined than is OWS and both such discussions are quite different from a discussion regarding whether OWS should exist at all. Personally I'm more interested in the former. My hunch is that contributors to this forum get deflected into the latter discussion with opponents of the movement because they are not involved in the day to day activities of the movement and are therefore not in a good position or sufficiently engaged to move such a discussion foreward.

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Forums are for discussing. OWS is really about activism. The real players are planning and taking action. This isn't the OWS strategy room. It's a place where ideas are floated, news is shared and discussed, and the various ideologies are debated. OWS does exist and they take action everyday. Just look at the OWS news. If your goal is to be involved more directly, you're wasting time on this forum.

[-] -1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

I think it would enrich both if they were related. That is, if the forum discussed ideas about where OWS should go next, but did it in concrete ways, not merely speculative. That is, had ideas about how to get the ideas they speculate about implemented and discussed that, tested them in life and came back to the forum to discuss how it worked, what Marx called praxis, the relationship between theory and action. I am as personally active in OWS as I am able to be given work, health and family considerations, but even with that I attend GAs and working groups as often as I can.

Perhaps it shouldn't but it distresses me when it seems to me that many people who participate in this forum who have apparently never been to a GA or an occupation see their participation here as being part of the movement. I'm undoubtedly being judgemental and it is only my opinion, but I don;t think it is. The internet can help to engage people, but it is also a distraction. As long as people are sitting in front of a computer screen they are not out and about meeting people face to face, which, to me, is where real movement begins.

By no means am I opposed to ideas, but in the absence of a set of related ideas regarding how an idea can actually be implemented, they are just idle speculation. Also, I have noticed that people are incredibly rude to each other on this forum, much moreso than at any occupation or GA I have been to. Perhaps I have fallen into that pattern too, but there is a world of difference between an actual occupation where ideas are also constantly discussed and a forum where we can't hear the inflection of someone's voice or read their body language.

I'm as physically involved with OWS as I am able to be and I hang out here when I can't, especially to see what "supporters" are thinking and also to encourage them to be more than mere "supporters."

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Trolls come and trolls go(change usernames?). It's evidence of bot abuse that bothers me.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think most of them are bots, and have been almost from the start.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Those bots have stated that you and I became bots too!!!!

At 1,000 rep, we magically become bots.

At 5,000 do we become transformers?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

LOL!

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Could it be thrassy is back and fudging the forum again?

The best comments section is a mess and has been for over 24hrs.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

track best comments by responses

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm not so sure that would work, as some of the least pertinent comments have the longest train of responses.

I'm not savvy enough to know if it's even possible for the forum to block bots.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

track only by direct responses

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Have you mentioned it to jart?

It's her baby.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

jart can track me

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think somethings up. We're suddenly being deluged again, to the point that the clowns are getting top bidding.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's because the occupywallst.org news page today is showing such positive results. They're sensing the spring and the renewed organization and they're trying to confuse and distract. I think we should just stay on message and stay strong and completely ignore them. That is the ultimate retaliation.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Good point there. I'm gong to do just that, but I'll devote a little effort to cleaning up this forum again first.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Cool

[-] 0 points by DKAtroll (7) 2 years ago

Or could it be that your, GF's, ZD's and several others DNC whoring has actually done any people's movement much more harm than good?

Nobody with any sense buys into the bi-party scam you idiots passively perpetrate by shit talking one side or the other.

Buy a clue, dittohead.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what do you mean ? "I'm not helping"

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

M@tt : Please take note that 'DKAtroll' (DicKheAdtroll ?) aka 'DayumShame' aka 'The TrashyBot' also has a 'MeetHook' moniker !!!

caveat ;-)

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You left off pro union, and proud of it.

Can't think of a singe (R)epelican't that can claim that.

Dittohead is a registered trademark of loons for Limbaugh.

You could at least try and be original. Sheep for brains.

[-] 0 points by DKAtroll (7) 2 years ago

Well your works have helped their cause, not that of the people.

I know you are too stupid to realize it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What cause is that?

Building better stuff, and getting paid to do it?

You should shop at WalllyWorld for everything, after you take that minimum wage job you love so much.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Trolly whats a matta fella? You seem to have lost your sparkle and shine. I know I will ask around to see if any of the good people would like to throw a ball for you when you stop in. But really your so spoiled. I mean it's not like there aren't any other trolls to play with. You should go introduce your self. Go on ....go ahead............it's OK. Just give their butt a quick sniff and a lick and you will be fast friends in no time. That's a good trolly you play nice now.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Is my little troll having fun?

Good.

I hope you don't mind being publicly humiliated.

What am I saying - of coarse you don't your a troll you live for humiliation.

And your such a special little troll too.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Please stop feeding your troll ! lol !! Too funny <giggle> ... Trashy's 'Primo Balinese' is The Lick, maan !!!

in sativa veritas ;-)

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry I just got it. I think an admirer sent it to me from an LL Bean gift catalog or something. It's going to be hell to try and train. They can be so slow on the up-take.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

lol !! ~:-)

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It's running around loose right now, got off the leash, I hope it gets hit by a car.

Well if you see it, I kind of promised that I would ask the good people to throw a ball for it a little. It was looking depressed, I don't think it has any other troll friends yet.

So you know..........I mean if you don't mind........could you maybe see if you can get it to play in traffic? It needs exercise.

Thanks!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I wanna be like Bumblebee - Dibs.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Was there a Mustang transformer?

I'm a Ford guy.........:)

I'm gonna have to watch the movies.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fun special effects lots of action but generally a weak story. But hey it's from a cartoon for gosh sakes. I would give them 4 out of 5 for mindless entertainment. Not much boring time, usually keep things moving along.

[-] 1 points by Marlow (1141) 2 years ago

Board Bashers are Everywhere there are people talking. ... Unlike being in Person where this total stranger just cant come up and begin talking smack to your face.. they enjoy the anonymity.. Cowards by most standards, and quite conflicted by another.

.. they dont know how to have a decent debate, as they intimidate easily. .. .. Needy in every way.. they reach out to strangers on a public forum to resolve Personal issues... Unconsciously. And the rest of us are prey to their emotional imbalances.

.. Never do they have a point of view that speaks to the issues without pushing the envelope for attention.

.. Sad and lonely.. people really.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yes, you are right about that on second thought. Very well put.

[-] 1 points by ThaRapist (-17) 2 years ago

After I cum I still try to act nice, strike up a conversation, etc.

[-] 2 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

ZyklonBomb: "Forum Post: Hey, I just got here! Is There A Workable Plan For Eradicating The Jews Yet? Posted 12 hours ago on March 10, 2012, 5:48 p.m. EST"

betuadollar (1503) 3 hours ago "Yes, as a matter of fact there is. It's called "Islam.""

http://occupywallst.org/forum/hey-i-just-got-here-is-there-a-workable-plan-for-e/#comment-673306

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 2 years ago

Yes, I'm not Jewish, but I devoted a post at one time to this blatant anti-semitism, and the question of why such posts and posters can't be banned completely here. Afterwards it went way down for a few months, but all this stuff is creeping up again. There has been a positive surge over the last week or so.

I don't like it - not simply because it's debased and inexcusable, but because it turns people off of this forum - one of it's clear objectives.

The use of bots to upvote slime and downvote sincere comments is also a real problem.

This was under control for awhile. All I can think is that moderation is being barraged by more trolls with multiple usernames and bots than they can handle.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Add NightShade.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think we got him somewhere already but maybe not. How do you like that damned name - NightShade. A lot of these guys motives are worn on their sleeves.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I think that's from a movie.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Nightshade? It's also a plant that has been used to make a deadly poison for thousands of years.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

That's right. I forgot that.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm sorry I suppose I could be mistaken - but isn't that supposed to be NightSoil (?) the stuff they threw out of chamber pots in the olden days?

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I wouldn't even keep him as a pet troll.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Too hard to housebreak I should expect.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

He'd always be humping my leg. LoL

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

lol LOL - That would be just so nasty. And if in self defense you happened to tase it in the sackage it would probably like that. Yeah best all the way around to call the pound.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Don't forget to feed your little fella. Trolls like plenty of outrage and alarm.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Laughing - yeah though this one seems to be fairly dull. Maybe that's my fault good call on the health and care maintenance issue. I should make a note right now so I don't forget.

Hmmm.......... don't forget to give the troll plenty of shit and abuse while feigning shock and horror.

Thanks HitGirl, I'll try to do my best. I like to think I am a responsible type of person.

[-] 2 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

Chugwunka

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Cartelini99

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 1 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

BlackSun (321) from Erie, PA 7 hours ago "Listen very carefully please: you and your gutter religion are not wanted here, or anywhere in the West. The only reason why your kind come here to our lands is because you no longer want to live in your Islamic shit holes. And yet none of you are intelligent enough to realize it."

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ali-sean-stone-says-i-submitted-my-heart-to-allah/#comment-673094

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks for posting this, It's at least good to have this post here so people can reffer to it. Moderation seems to have crept back into hiding.

[-] 1 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

"JesusDemocrat" & "SatanRepublican" both joined March 7, & are almost certainly the same Troll.

Forum Post: Thou (R's) shalt not trolleth in my OWS house! Update on the rewards of being a democrat Posted 2 days ago on March 7, 2012, 1:22 p.m. EST by JesusDemocrat

Forum Post: Why Liberals are easy prey. They truly hate! Posted 1 day ago on March 8, 2012, 8:28 a.m. EST by SatanRepublican

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks again. I'm still waiting for a response from jart so something can be done about this latest delluge of slime.

[-] 1 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

TeaPartyWillPrevail 1 day ago: "The world will be a far more beautiful place when muzzies are slaughtered worldwide and their filthy entrails strewn across their wastelands as a reminder not to start disgusting, violent gutter "religions" like islime. Next, will work on the asshole jew-worshipping christians..."

FriendlyObserverB 19 hours ago: "Everything in the quran was dictated to Muhammad by Satan's angel Gabriel. And yes Gabriel spoke to Mary. And Jesus was Satan in the flesh. He deceived many. His ministers are righteous because they to are deceived. Satan is the head of the church and will be soon revealed which will bring about the great apostasy. Both Islam and Christianity will fall."

FriendlyObserverB 1 day ago: "perhaps women should not be permitted on the internet ..? They seem to make men terribly angry .."

freewriterguy 1 day ago: "one thing i like about iran is the hanging of their gays"

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks Gildas; still haven't heard back from jart.

[-] 1 points by GildasSapiens (266) 2 years ago

StopJewishSupremacy

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Here's another - "unwashed."

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

why do people care about trolls? the very implication of the word troll is itself an attack on freedom of speech I say. Shall we only discuss things that others say we should discuss then? Hell no.

I submit that when someone warns "troll" it is a call to bullying others by regulars, so that others may feel left out.

It is a display of the dementia that affects the masses brains as described by the guy who posted the article on us all being demented. (which I agree to)

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

Thanks for the video it made my morning. ha ha ha

[-] -1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Well, the reason is that they are here to disrupt and antagonize, rather than help figure out the F--KING MESS our countries in!

And if you really feel that an excercize in citizen democracy id demented, that why don't you please just find something else to do?

[-] 3 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

its not the citizens united that is demented, its the fact that so many people cant see it, its more explained in the forum post we are all demented.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

People do not care about trolls - that is a misconception. People know about trolls and share their perception. If anyone should wonder if a troll serves a good purpose? It is that they will swarm a topic or contributor if either is against the agenda of the greedy corrupt. This is how many may know that they are on the absolute right track.

Hell even the trolls know this. So they have started coming up with their own posts and attacking them, they are also starting to do the same with troll comments - attack them to sow confusion as to who is who.

Clever but not gonna work. Your aims defeat you to start with - you have to blow your cover sooner or later to spew your poison against the movements against corruption and greed.

Thank you for playing.

Please come again.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks, that's good to know.

[-] 0 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

I may be way off base here, but I really don't understand why anyone would spend any time on this at all. Wouldn't the easiest thing to do would be just to ignore trolls? It seems to me that part of the problem is rising to their bait and the easiest thing to do would be just to ignore them and concentrate on serious discussions regarding how to deal with our real adversaries, which, it seems to me, are the corporate 1%.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

The reason is that they are often fairly clever at inflaming people, or otherwise drawing people in, and thus diverting the whole point of a post or discussion. They use many different techniques for this, and so it helps, if you can allert people to this intention to divert a thread from productive discussion.

[-] 0 points by onetime (-67) 2 years ago

yep

[-] 0 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

Trolls get +4 Strength, +4 Constitution and Regeneration Powers :-)

[-] 0 points by center93 (12) 2 years ago

Really? This is how you Occupy your time?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Where'd you come from, joined an hour ago? Already passing judgement? What a precient being you must be.

[-] 1 points by center93 (12) 2 years ago

Yes, just joined. I am not judging but asking. There is an unusual amount of bullying and name-calling here. I came in to learn more of the movement, but observation yields only sarcasm and name-calling for the most part (including yours, the first reply I got.) I did, however, particularly view freewriterguy's post as lucid and rational: "why do people care about trolls? the very implication of the word troll is itself an attack on freedom of speech I say. Shall we only discuss things that others say we should discuss then? Hell no. I submit that when someone warns 'troll' it is a call to bullying others by regulars, so that others may feel left out."

Your defensiveness and sarcasm telegraphs much. Let's hope it's not the norm here -- as yet I still have much reading to do and haven't "passed judgement" yet.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Please see my post about a guy with the username "TheRapist," threatening a long time supporter of this movement with rape and violence. This movement has been subjected to a prolonged campaign of intimidation and harassment, and the outrage against that is represented in this post.

I don't spend most of my time fighting with this bullshit, but try to focus on connecting with those of serious interest, and working towards an improved democracy. But when this harassment and intimidation prevents this from taking place it must be addressed.

Thank you for coming here, and try to preserve an open mind until you have seen what goes on here. There are numerous positive posts here to seek out.

[-] 2 points by center93 (12) 2 years ago

Well said. Agreed. And I will.

That being said, I confess I allowed one poster's clearly immature troll-bashing to color my initial scan. I'll read past him -- already I'm seeing great value in the serious tone of others.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thank you. It is that kind of provocation in order to sow division that is the objective of those who want people to be turned off by this forum:) Welcome.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Hi Gypsy, Got angry about a veiled threat directed at therising and myself, then saw your post about GirlFriday, and really got angry.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yeah, open and veiled threats are now the method ther're adopting. In a way that smacks of desperation. Still haven't seen any recent polls about the popularity of this movement. I wonder why . . . NOT!

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Good points. XL, frack and pink slime are battle grounds today. The big guys are feeling pressure, that they are not used to.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I love you gypsy, and all your firends, but you see how D.S. stole your thread? Let's get in the game people....they are!

Please don't hate me....

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

No big deal, I haven't paid much attention to this thread except as a resource for people who don't want to waste their time in exchanges with these people.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

they get tricky, when I came had a couple of names in mind and whole first page or so was filled ny somebody attacking 6 or 7 serious people and threw in a real troll or two and boom! I get it I wanted to jump in there and defend some people I "knew" (not a online kinda person) bit rather talk abut if we can get the mininum wage increased, anyway if you saw odin's post, I'm going to write some letter what the heck, maybe some others will too

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Good going! and check out these online petition sights. That's something we can DO while awaiting other events to push for change!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I do, I guess hand written letter is still number one way to be heard, mine will not be long short smiple, they stick them in a pile anyway, but when the pile gets big enough they start talking. I am going to post after I mail them and what the heck...

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yup, letters are very good, especially angry ones to representitives. But only to those who don't have a charge account at Tiffanys. We need to kick the latter all the way to Namibia. I hear hungry lions roam that coast, and what the heck, we could give them a flashlight and a penknife so they can hoist themselves up by their own bootstraps and overcome adversity.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I posted this over on your "actions" too, my thinking is if we can make them talk about a MW increase before the election, it could act like a litmus test, get rid of all that don't support an increase.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

That's a really good idea!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Even if they watered it down, and it might pass because in an election year it's hard to fight. But it would be awesome if even a little one passed, then instead of being happy, we still go after the ones that opposed us, that would scare the hell out of them, that's what the NRA does, we had a terrible shooting in Tucson and there was nary a peep on gun control and they are only 10%, a 10% I do not want to pick a fight with, I'm saying they work the system, we could own the system with 99%, but you got to take vengeance on your enemies, this is something we can make them take a stand on, almost everybody on here is for some sort of increase, it's as close to overturning CU as a common goal as I've seen, which of course I support, but it's an easy out for the pols because it's a court thing, this is a vote thing, It has the advantage of going into an easy to label pil

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

......waste of a forum post but really it is

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I agree it's a waste of a forum post, but at times it becomes unavoidable. You got to counter this stuff at a certain point, or the forum becomes both inopperable and very misleading and insulting to newcommers.

[-] 0 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

The trolls here are good at trolling. Very witty. Maybe the best I've seen. I don't care much though. Just a comment.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yeah, they're a laugh riot - talking about whores, and rape and stuff like that. Well, if you find that amusing you could probably find a few sites that were more to your "taste."

[-] 0 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'm not a computer whiz but isn't it this open source github thing that's more or less an open door to bot maniacs like ole thras?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

You got me there, I'm a computer nincompoop! All I know is that the number of trolls spikes here at times to a degree that can't just be a coincidence. Marlow's right, I think, when she says a lot of them are just people craving attention; but I think there's also this issue of bots, because at times their activity here suddenly spikes exponentially.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Ultimately it's a sign that the movement is going in a positive direction. That's when paid troll activity spikes. If you track the level of good news on the news page you can predict with some regularity how much paid troll activity there will be.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 2 years ago

And my question was whether Github itself opens the door to bots. thras used to act like and boast like someone in control of what appeared on this forum. Does that happen in other forums? How long did it take to more or less cleanse him out?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I can't say for sure, but I'd say he was in charge of the Dark Arts here for about 3 months. He is probably here again, but doing a better job of hiding, by making his statements a lot more terse, and less revealing of his long-winded, pedantic, touchy and nit-picking and provocative style of writing. It was becoming a dead give away.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You make sense.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion5 (12) 2 years ago

ME,,, dont forget me. HEY,,,, MEEEEE. Over here,, ME.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Okay, thanks for coming out.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Nah. You're a troll apprentice 2nd year. And you always have the same user name. Your anger, frustration and rage aren't coming across well enough and you don't use any profanity. But stick with it, Free. You'll become a journeyman troll in good time. You have the potential.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion5 (12) 2 years ago

I do use the word "crap", does that count as the profanity you are looking for. I am frustrated. I actually hate having to spend my time trying my darndest to keep the hands of OWS people out of my pockets. I worked very hard for my money,, I pay taxes,, I bought property and pay taxes on that and when I learn that 49% of whiners pay ZERO in taxes to support the social programs they seem to ENJOY,,,, yes,, I do get a bit frustrated. I just dont understand why people have decided my money is more important to them than their own money. Call my silly.

[-] 4 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Free, your not silly. Your serious and very concerned and I understand your feeling that way. Change - inevitable change - is a scary thing because we don't know how that change will directly impact us, individually as well as our families and loved ones.

Half the tax revenue collected in this country goes to defense - that's obscene! Doesn't THAT make you angry and upset? If it does, act on your anger. Post about it. Your tripping over dollars trying to pick up pennies, IMO.

Why is healthcare insurance cost among the highest in the world? What's the consevative's answer for that? Get rid of entitlements like Medicare. They're looking at the problem backwards. The insurance companies are raking in the huge profits. They rank something like 80th for profit in the nation. That should make you angry.

But you are here claiming us to be liberal whiners who just want to take the money from your pocket, when the entities and institutions of many in corporate America are cleaning your clock everyday! Channel your energy toward changing that. Work for that cause, Free.

PS: A tip for you regarding your desire to be a journeyman troll - ethnic and racial slurs (but you didn't hear it from me, ok?)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

racial, religious and national distinction turned out to be more useful than I imagine

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion5 (12) 2 years ago

I will hit on just a couple of your comments,,,to get you warmed up. The VERY FIRST federal income tax in 1861 was for the purpose of raising money for the WAR. Wow. It had nothing to do with social programs. So by asking if I am mad at tax revenues going to defense,,, based on the historic value, why would I think that was obscene? There are threats in America, and there are threats around the world. Heck, while Clinton was in office, 19 terrorists came to America to learn how to fly planes into our buildings,,, at an FAA approved flight school. Bush gets hit only seven months into being President and the economy went to hell. I know,,, it was Bush's fault that Clinton allowed the terrorist to learn to fly planes. Entiltlements,,, what exactly, in the Constitution or Bill of Rights,,, are YOU entitled to? A well equipted military,,, maybe? Good roads, a public infrastructure,,, a path to "The Pursuit of Happiness"? Where is that entitlement part in our famous documents? I know,,, mean ole fart. Maybe,,, but I have agreed to allow those 1861 income tax money to pay for social programs. I have agreed sooooooo muchhhhhhh, that we are $15 trillion in DEBT,,,,, so much. I'm not in favor of letting children or old people die. But have we really gotten to the place where I have to pay for YOUR condoms? Come on..... Really? "Doctor,,, I have a little head cold,, can you help me." "Sure, but to protect me from the liberal attorneys, I will need to have you take an MRI, CAT and 30 different blood tests." REALLY??? Have you been in an hospital recently? I have a hard to reading the signage,,, its all in Spanish. Really? Yep,,, you know we have 12 million illegals in America,,, and by golly,,, YOU need to pay for their healthcare and education. REALLY??????? Why? Dont they have their own country that we are giving billions of our income tax dollars to for that?????? Guess not. On April 15th,,, I have YET to receive a bill from any corporation saying I need to pay them a dime. I dont owe one corporation a penny,,,, not one. Never had a run in with a corporation. Never needed a corporation. My banker,,, I saw him 25 years ago when I took out my loan and have not needed him since. Imagine that.

There you go. I know after all that,,, I can still feel your hands in my back pocket. I really want you to leave us alone that have paid and paid and paid for your failed liberal agenda. If your agenda worked,,,, there would be no need for OWS.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Man oh man Free, you have a whole lot going on here in your post above. I'd like to start by saying that I agree that there are legitmate reasons for some national defense spending. I agree with you that there are bad people in the world and they do intend to harm us. I do not believe in the idea that we should be and subsequently self-finance a role as "the world's cop" and all that comes along with that.

Further, we "pick and choose" our causes for going to war based solely on "economic" reasons - that is to say protecting the business interests of companies in the US and in countries of our closest business allies. Why do we have such a large standing army in Germany? We spend gobs of money on doing things remotely (drones and the like). As long as the military-industrial complex can keep their PR machine humming and keep us afraid, we'll spend unlimited amounts of money to protect ourselves and won't question that spending. Rarely if ever do we act out purely humanitarian reasoning in going to war.

Bush/Clinton/Bush: that's a "blame game" circle jerk (pardon the language) and we shouldn't get caught up in it. Ever read Richard Clarke's book? So is a lot of the other ridiculous stuff that pundits say we should be upset about. Signage in Spanish really bugs you that much? Do you speak Spanish?

Immigration? Enforce the law, I would say. If one is in this country illegally, back you go! Period. Fill out your paperwork and stand in line to get in. Should we speed up the process to something akin to how immigration occured during the height of the Ellis Island immigrations from Europe? Not quite that steamlined.

The liberal agenda: does that include heathcare for all? You do realize that you were paying for the uninsured who didn't pay their hospital bills, right? That was coming out of your pocket, Free. Hill-Burton Act. Upward adjustments to fees for medical services for all payers. Meth lab burn victims in Tennessee that each run up a million dollar plus bill in burn units and don't pay. You and I pay for that, Free. But let's not make healthcare insurance manditory, right?

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion5 (12) 2 years ago

You are insane.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

This one's on the house. Thanks for playin' our game!

http://www.hrsa.gov/gethealthcare/affordable/hillburton/

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Yea, but it's the good kind of insanity - you know, the kind that makes a person look for the good in the world and live in the sunlight and warmth of possibilities. When I was the bad kind of crazy, I lived under a bridge, slept in a Goodwill donation box full of clothes to keep warm and ate out of a dumpster just to survive.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

You're insane.

[-] -1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

by ThunderclapNewman: "Half the tax revenue collected in this country goes to defense - that's obscene! Doesn't THAT make you angry and upset? "

It would if it were factual. ....the Defense Budget is part of "Discretionary" spending.

"Discretionary" spending is about one third of the total outlay of the federal budget.

Defense spending is about 50% of "Discretionary" spending which is 1/3 of the Federal spending.........

Nor is your statement about getting "rid" of Medicare. You are aware that - all the while the Democrats scream that the GOP wants to destroy that program, they are actually cutting it as we speak for current Seniors? What was it...$400 Billion in the health care law - another 300 plus billion in the 2013 Budget...not to mention the COLA SS changes which will affect their fixed incomes?

You are aware that Ryan's plan called for today's seniors to be left alone while those under 55 would have changes implemented over time? Today's Seniors planned for what they'd been promised - they are living under the plans they made - which are now being affected by CURRENT cuts under President Obama (while he and the rest of that party distracts everyone by saying the GOP wants to "get rid" of the program).....

And health premiums/ costs per GDP percentage ....now that one we could probably find quite a few points to agree on....

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Ok, Concerned, I'll assume for the sake of this discussion that 33% of the total fed budget is spent for defense and that 33% is 50% of all discretionary spending. Got it. That's for everything related to defense, correct? So let's see...what does that translate to in terms of dollars and cents? I leave it to you to name the figure, because I may, in your view, misinterpret the data.

My over-arching point concerning healthcare insurance costs is this: why are there seemingly so little ethical guidelines regarding affordability of healthcare? You'll have to forgive my not being able to understand why it's ok for not-for-profit and non-profit healthcare insurers to realize excess funds for those companies.

When we have few if any good choices for healthcare insurance for many, many seniors, why is it ok for anyone to gut that safetynet called Medicare?

[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

If you are interested in determining the "dollars and cents" of defense spending, that information is out there for you to discover. What I spoke to was that you were not factual when you stated that "half of the tax revenue" went to defense.

Nor were you factual when you state that the "conservatives" want to "get rid" of Medicare.

Both of your statements were misleading.

And, I repeat - as for health care premiums and costs - we could find quite a few points to agree on - as long as the discussion includes actual facts and not misleading statements......

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Concerned, you wrote: It would if it were factual. ....the Defense Budget is part of "Discretionary" spending.

"Discretionary" spending is about one third of the total outlay of the federal budget.

Defense spending is about 50% of "Discretionary" spending which is 1/3 of the Federal spending.........

The information linked here is for 2011 and unless I'm not understanding what you're saying (which is quite possible for me) I'm seeing something different than that which you state. I see discretionary spending as one segment of the pie chart and defense spending as something separate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

Does that defense budget include DHS, CIA, NSA, etc.? Or does that come from the Discretionary Spending segment? Veterans Administration is a separate entity. Those are legacy costs associated with Defense but not included in Defense budget, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html

These are separate and not part of the $738 Billion for Nat'l Defense. $122 Billion - Veterans. $9.36 Billion - DoD Medicare Benefits listed separately from "Medicare". $1.02 Billion - DHS R&D projects.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

The largest components of federal spending are Social Security and Medicare programs for the elderly (33.5 percent of total outlays in 2010) and national defense (20.1 percent). Interest payments on the federal debt alone accounted for 5.7 percent of all federal spending, and that percentage is rising.http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/ (estimates for 2012)

Spending governed by the Congress's annual appropriation acts—which is labeled discretionary spending—accounts for nearly 40 percent of federal outlays. In 2010, roughly half of discretionary spending went for defense. The other half paid for a wide range of federal activities, including law enforcement, homeland security, transportation, national parks, disaster relief, scientific research, and foreign aid. CBO's baseline projections reflect the assumption that discretionary spending will grow at the rate of inflation and will thus decline to 28 percent of total spending by 2021.http://www.cbo.gov/publication/22043

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Thanks for the info. I'll continue digging for more spending for defense and defense-related entities and their budgeted amounts.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

See - that is exactly how you catch an obvious troll. Mention how the program is about fighting greed and corruption - give a fine example like Health insurance cost - and walla you'll have a troll screaming about I want you out of my pocket.

Yep works every time. Some just aren't as obvious and straight forward about their rejoinders.

Troll style.

Huh.

Who'd a thought?

[-] -1 points by HoarFriday (27) 2 years ago

Gee, I've always thought ignoring bad behavior from those you cannot control denies them any reward or control over oneself.

I know, you and your clan/cohorts, are much smarter than everyone else because you've typed such an inference, many times.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep.

nough said.

Thank you for playing - name this troll.

Please come again.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

sometimes useful

though I don't care to read Obama's name

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Matt, we are in a battle here against the genuine advent of fascism. Do you remember that GWB actually had Ted Kennedy, a sitting United States Senator and the brother of an assassinated former president put on a no-fly list, as a suspect terrorist; that Bush lied us outright into a war agaist Iraq. That his administration had absolute contemp for the rule of law.

Those who say the Democrats are no different are liars. In other words, when fighting fascism, you use every means at your disposal, including the voting booth, even if it creates only a moderate step towards solutions . We need every means to turn the situation around, one step at a time.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly.

[-] -1 points by onetime (-67) 2 years ago

In other related news!!!!! Counting only those Americans who are actively looking for work, the jobless rate is 8.3 percent, just like it was in January. But counting those who stopped looking for work within the last year, the rate is 9.8 percent.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

It doesn't even matter what the jobless rate is really because the bankers have bankrupted us for decades to come, if we don't demand restitution. And if we don't demand they get maximum security prison sentences, they'll just do it again in 20 years. They call that "sheering the sheep."

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

sunstar

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Haven't run into that one. I'll make sure not to respond.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

and dickinthebox

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

That is VERY funny!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That's his moniker and may as well add GreatBallsofFire to that list.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks. When this post is thankfully finished and we can get on to better things, I will send this list to moderation. Then maybe we can get together on that list of the best forum posts that jart suggested.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Really, dickinthebox? Oh my god.

[-] 1 points by DickInABox (7) 2 years ago

You can't help but sing my username if you try saying it out loud.

[-] -1 points by GreatBallsOfFire (11) 2 years ago

Goodness gracious!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Bahahaha, do you really have knobrot?

[-] -1 points by GreatBallsOfFire (11) 2 years ago

Goodness gracious!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Bahahaha, do you really have knobrot?

[-] 0 points by GreatBallsOfFire (11) 2 years ago

Goodness gracious!

[-] -1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago
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  • Chugwunka
  • XenuLives
  • FriendlyObserverB
  • Thrasy
  • anybody who reminds me of Thrasy
[-] 3 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

Aww blush

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

thanks for that i would like to talk about ideas but its not allowed on this forum anymore. Even as i ask DKA how he gets his information he refuses to tell me i only want it to learn and to grow.

[-] 1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

Welcome to the circlejerk, bro. These oldfags think they know everything.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

i noticed /b/ro. Honnestly this is worst than someplace I've been. It seems like these people refuse to accept reality and come with drug induced ideas it seems like

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

you forgot Girlfriday

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

DanielBarton Read a book

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[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

....my point has been confirmed thank you

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I see your divisiveness.

I am shocked! SHOCKED!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I thought about dividing national, race and religion into subcategories

cause no one wants to be racist

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Hey, go ahead and add Libertarian.

cause no one wants to be that either.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I like saying ideas that cause up a stir from normal thinking

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

No, not really.

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

...how do you know my thoughts or do you just do what everyone tells you

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

From reading your "ideas" which are not quite as new, imaginative, or as sound as someone has apparently told you they are.

[-] -2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

Okay and i still don't think you understand that i didn't put any ideas in this forum so please leave troll

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Why not say flabbergastingdoubletalkingnarrowmindedgidget? It would be about as enlightening as anything else you say.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

.....why did you join this there was no reason to. I called someone out and you all get pissed its kinda funny but i didn't care for these response just bringing realistic goals and ideas forward

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

If you are not trolling this site, than please don't call people who have been here since the begining, and obviously support OWS, trolls. It gives you a definite credibility gap here, at the very least.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

cool then no i just find that if anyone has non liberal opinion on here is instantly named as a troll. Ideas are meant to be shared not insulted. I say respect everyone's opinions so they can respect yours

[-] 1 points by TryingForAnOpenMind (-358) from Yonkers, NY 2 years ago

you are 1000% right.. they do not tolerate opposition..only like minded drivel lauded towards each other...permitted here...yawn.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Well, if that's the view you bring to the table than you're welcome here, as far as I'm concerned, definately

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You are the troll. Actually, you are another identity of a troll.

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

nope only been here with this one identity. I am me now you i see as a minion of hitgirl or hitgirl herself. But with that response time and nonsense of writing you do i'm guessing bot

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Right. Sure thing little buckaroo.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

cool ill put you on the troll list

[-] 1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

I don't know if you've noticed, but there are little idiots here that would rather play friends, and whore for karma, than actually talk about OWS.

GirlFriday is one of the worst.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Your on mine. Have been for awhile. :D

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

DanielBarton Read a book

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DanielBarton said 0 minutes ago at March 6, 2012, 6:47 p.m. EST (delete) thank you for sharing our time with everyone i knew you would do that like a good little waste of space you are (im giving you a thumbs up and smile)

GirlFriday said 37 minutes ago at March 6, 2012, 5:57 p.m. EST (delete) Yes, yes there will be a party. :D

DanielBarton said 40 minutes ago at March 6, 2012, 5:53 p.m. EST (delete) great im on list will there be a list party

also i never taken anything you have ever said seriously i shown my professors this website and enjoyed laughs looking at the idiotic ideas come up here.

Go do what i've always told people to do Read A Book and then learn how to keep trash from coming out of your mouth

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[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What that thing on the top of your head?

Yeah does look kind of sharp and pointy for a knob.

You needed help in confirming that?

It's OK... we understand.

[-] -3 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

ooo did i hit a nerve in this "grouping"

insults man insults keep them coming

im going to go talk how to rework capitalism for the good while you call me an idiot

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes I can tell your the type to thrive on insults. Must have been getting a steady stream of them since you 1st went out into the world. Kindergarten (?) preschool(?). Were you a pork chop baby?

Well your parents should be happy that you are now happy.

Yay ........you found your nitch and by God your filling it.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I think you ferreted out another 2nd year troll apprentice, DK. Nice work. See, there's no profanity, no name calling, no conveyance of indignity or rage in posts. This one has much to learn I think. He would be wise to search back to November and December threads and see what real trolls write like.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This one I believe is more of a shits and giggles type. I could be mistaken. There was this time that I thought I had been wrong and it turned out later that I was mistaken.

Enjoy the trolls they can be good for a laugh.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Yep, and thanks, DK. :-)

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well thank you. Oh if you see my personalized troll running around? It got off it's leash. I just got it today too. Some admirer got it for me out of an LL Bean catalog I think. Very thoughtful.

Anyway it goes by DKAtroll. If you happen to see it please toss a ball out into traffic for it to chase it needs the exercise and I promised it I would ask around for people to play with it.

Thanks in advance.

Damn things are so hard to train.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

no i find it funny that your arguing with me on the internet. I could be a completely different person in real life but you wont know.

I would say its more of a distraction than a filling like im going to go study for an exam so i can pass my class. But while im gone just throw them at me so i can laugh at the time you wasted while you should be talking and developing skills other than typing ones. To answer you question no im not a troll i just like Bringing up subjects and data that everyone seems to forget. The engineer in me makes me see the whole picture

keep it classy Donkey Kong

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So what you say your into destructive testing?

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

its a necessary process to see where you went wrong in your design that math is not showing you. My university has many places to test this in real life settings

[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Progress and real life are excellent things to have and use. Just try not to bring it into your social life. That gets old and people will start to avoid you.

just sayin.

[-] 3 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

thanks for the tip

[-] -2 points by TryingForAnOpenMind (-358) from Yonkers, NY 2 years ago

girl friday is the biggest idiot on this site

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

What are you, the night shift troll?

[-] -1 points by TryingForAnOpenMind (-358) from Yonkers, NY 2 years ago

hey girl ...what's the scoop in doofus world today?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That's all YOU, baby

[-] -2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks for volunteering youself here. Add another name everybody, (I love the names these guys use!) DayofShame.

[-] -1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

It's DayumShame. Like "damn" except not.

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tr@shy : Funny that innit ?

Your urge here on GK's sadly rather necessary post, to respond and expose your latest moniker ?!

So, are you being paid by that Montreal based Cabal of Private Corporate Interests, by the comment or by the persona and the number of monikers ?!!

Go on, you can tell us ... you know you want to .. and we're all 'family' here anyway !!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

urrrrrrrrrrrr

I has over 9000 usernames!

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tr@shy : Fuckin' 'ell m8 !!! You must be raking it in !! And I only have less than 0.5% of those "usernames" on file ! Your Quadrophrenia is truly epic ...

verum ex absudo ?

[-] -1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

Smokin' da reefer.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"Dayum" is that an offer ?!!! Don't mind if I do ;-) How long of a start have you got ?!! Are you someone who needs one when you wake up ?! Anyway <takes a toke> ... hmmmm .. that's goood shiiit maan ~{:-p)

A good deed deserves another, so : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEwbzEBw14 ;-)

Chill bro' and do try to be a good lad !!

pax et lux !

[ps : This 'Balinese' is primo, maan but don't get too comfy - will ya ? lol!]

[-] 1 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

I would tell you you're wrong about me being Trashy, but whatever man. It's obviously keeping you busy...

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Are you doing a supporters list?

GypsyKing HitGirl

[-] 1 points by DKAtroll (7) 2 years ago

DKAtoday is my evil twin.

[+] -5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tr@shy : You are your own evil twin and a whole bunch of other such schizoid siblings too !!!

Gnothi Seauton ...

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Why I am just so flattered.

To think that you would care so much about my contributions to emulate me.

WELL............. I'm just speechless with pride.

To think - a troll of my very own.

Is this on an LL Bean gift catalog yet?

[-] -1 points by Carlitini99 (-167) 2 years ago

GildasSapiens -- a terrorist troll

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Ha, ha, ha, ha.

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[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

And me by all means. After all, I insist on being recognized as refusing to spout all the (here goes) liberal/anarchist/Marxist/unworkable/stupid fantasy/childish/fascist/propaganda garbage so many people here promote.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

By. . . stupid fantasy/childish/fascist/porpoganda garbage you must be talking about what you do here, but the question remains - why the F--K are you here at all?!!!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

there's a mouthful of vague definitions

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

I would have made this list weeks ago, but...I've become bored with the intellectual midgets on this forum....

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Oh, here's another troll. One of the most boring. After you read one or two of his things, if you're so that far inclined, you can just skip over all the rest like I do.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

yep...small minded people are bored by critical thinking....perhaps you can find something shiny to hold your short, and callow, attention span.....

Too bad your self-esteem building didn't prepare you for the real world where results matter....

and don't forget your Ritalin...

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

actually i differ with you on one point, there is nothing in the "real world" that matters to me, only to them who are hoarding it. It is a dillusion to think that this world really matters, if it did then why are we so temporary?. Let the fools have it I say, I can survive until the end when I am rewarded, and they are punished.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

what makes you think they will be punished "in the end".......you don't know anyone else's heart.....

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

this is where we could enter a debate. I believe that no rich man will make it to heaven, as outlined in scripture. It doesnt say the rich inherit the earth for a good reason.

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

you miss the point of scripture then.....Abraham, Isaac, and Solomon were some of the richest men of their time...

It is the love of money over the love of God that is an issue with redemption not "having" money.....

I know OWS likes to think money is evil, but it is not...the LOVE of money is evil......just because someone demonstrates a skill at earning money doesn't mean they "love" it.....and those at the top are greater "givers" than any other group, they have more intact family units and are more likely to be faithful than those of lower income groups.....

http://www.economist.com/node/5327652

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/relgwlth.htm

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

yet we are talking about a mass majority whose spiritual understanding do not add up to abraham isaac and solomon, the majority who become rich today did so off the backs of the poor, and they do not remember the poor, This is not what christ taught. Even charity donations are sucked up by rich people now, and rarely if ever can a apoor person be helped. The government has set up a penalty tax even if anyone helps a poor person over 13k called a gift tax. Oh the evil that few men can see.

No man should be homeless, for this land belongs to them. Yet the occupiers of this land do continuely withold the land from their brother, if not physically, then by setting a price that takes 30 years of slave labor to purchase it.

In the time of Abraham, Isaac, and jacob, the children received of their fathers land as an inheritance. Today, if we inherit land, the inheritance tax is so great, we either are immediately put into debt to our government, or we are forced to sell the land to pay off the debt to the government. Whatever man put this upon us, I hope he is rotting in hell. I would never treat the people the way I see so many of us treating them.

I have seen large shopping areas, that because the land value has gone up, the government taxes them more, and these costs are added to the stores there. This giant parcel of shopping land goes thru alot of turnover, with many empty stores ever since. People without a brain are at our head, and I am ashamed of them. Our government thinks that raising taxes on land is more important than keeping retailers, and storeowners in business. Ive seen a thousand trailer owners forced to move not far from this same shopping area, so they could build "million dollar homes". Move a thousand poor people, to make room for a hundred rich people? These things ought not to be. Did anyone even take notice where these people moved to? They were once a home owner, now what?

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

in the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the "poor" were slaves, and had little opportunity.....

in our system everyone has opportunity, and if you doubt that all you need to do is consult the forbes 400 list, of which 2/3's are entirely self-made.....no inheritence, no special favor, preference or benefit.....

some came from basal poverty, some were homeless at some point, the stories of the successful tell the story of America.....those who fail, and accept failure get what they deserve....

and those who don't produce get their just deserves as well......

The parable of the barren fig tree illustrates Christs view of the unproductive

and I reference the Apostle Paul in Thessalonians 3: He who does not work neither shall he eat....

Those who are homeless have chosen that life.....either through action, or inaction....

and as far as charity, more funds make it to those who need it in most charities than does when filtered through government...

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

true there is some merit to our society which offers a good way of life, better than men have ever had, and also, i wonder if people would work hard, if they werent forced to. so I am on both sides of the issue, and wonder if there can ever be a balance.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

I think there will always be rich and poor, just as there will always be short/tall, fast/slow, etc........

but, the one thing I think most can agree on is that it would be better for more people to be better off......the difference is that I think the only way for that to happen is to increase actual individual participation in the system, not by siphoning from the current system to support those who don't participate, whether by choice, or default....

I think the balance is to empower people to participate in some way, and teach them they can improve and expand that participation for more reward from the system.....

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

No significant discrepancies between rich and poor existed before the rise of the state. Indeed the whole purpose of the state is to protect the ruling class, the very wealthy, from the rest of us. Without such discrepancies in there will no longer be any need for the state.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

are you insane? do you understand human nature at all? without a framework of laws and rules, man is a wild and dangerous animal, and will kill just to eat, there were certainly differences in "rich and poor" before an established state.......there are always ruling classes, even in the most primitive societies, and some have more than others, they direct efforts for raising crops, or hunting, or who lives where, or marries and produces offspring with who........but in those societies the rulers are often chosen by bloodline, or strength, or proficiency in battle....so how do you suppose YOU and the other OWS fools would fare in that lineup?

I am guessing you are one of the severely ignorant anarcho-"whatever's" who think that man can live without a set of rules which controls and directs him, and that somehow that idea is "evolved" and progressive and the way of the future.....am I right?

The problem with that is that it completely disregards human nature, the will to power, and the will to conquest that resides within most human beings. they think......because, largely, those with that philosophy are weak and thoughtless losers who don't make great efforts at much of anything....they make a philosophy of their thoughtlessness and operate under the false sense that because they have constructed some simplistic puerile system in their mind that they are great thinkers and the world should instantly manifest in the manner that they believe...and they worship at the alter of other "thinkers" who have never accomplished anything noteworthy in practical pursuits...like Chumpski.....

They are also into believing that people who are satisfied with very little are more advanced mentally and that most people prefer low level effort and low level reward to the idea striving and attaining great things.....they really believe that the infrastructural systems of man would remain if the state was eliminated, and they refuse to see the base and destructive nature of man as the real danger that it is.....

in an anarcho-whatever society, who protects people from the ghouls of the world and those who would bring them to power to empower themselves.......without a "state" structure how does one defend against a Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or any of the other brutal cults of personality throughout human history.......most people are merely slaves of one thing or another.....if they are not actually bought and sold to other men they make themselves servants by behavior and action/inaction to other men.....most cannot exist unless told what, where, how, when, and why to do almost everything they do....and if you deny that, you have very little life experience, and very little credibility in a discussion of human nature and the reason that a "state" exists.....

who organizes the army to fight the ghouls, and who creates the discipline and structure that make it a viable defense....in the anarcho-fantasy everyone is sovereign and can choose whatever they like, so in a battle with the power-hungry, when they "decide" they won't expose themselves to the threat of harm what structure and discipline keeps them in line?

You really think a "state-less" existence is possible for the mass of men? if so, you are a fool...you might as well try and teach hogs to wear shoes, and cattle to ballroom dance.....those will have about as much chance for success.....hahahaha

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

Most anthropologists would dispute the notion that there were always social classes. Both Marxists and anarchists agree that the function of the state is to preserve the class rule of a social minority.

Human nature changes and is very much a function of the kind of society we live in. A loving and egalitarian society breeds love and an insecure society breeds distrust and hate. The dictators you mentioned were representatives of some of the strongest states in history (though nowhere near as strong as imperial America today), certainly not representative of the statelessness of aboriginal cultures or for that matter the Paris commune or Spanish anarchism.

You sound like a hateful insecure person who can only imagine a hateful insecure world. What a shame.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years, and the opinions of anarchists and marxists are hardly credible in a realistic discussion, as most of their theories exist only in the realm of "what if" and those that have been put to practical test have failed miserably....

your myopic utopian fantasy is the same sort of thing that led people into the gulags, killing fields, and labor/concentration camps, while others stood idly by and didn't stop the destruction...

Your idea that "egalitarian" society can change the course of human nature is so naive as to be laughable, all examples of such attempts have led to death and destruction of millions and your and other fools insistence that if "we" get a chance we can get a different result is myopic and ill-considered.....it's the classic square peg in the round hole...you can never make it fit except by destructive force......

I am actually very happy and secure...thanks, because I have cultivated and created my own security from the ground up, and it's not based on the whim of a mob that might turn at any moment against me, it's based on tangible and real effort and behavior.......and I don't hate anyone, although I am a little disappointed by fools who think they can rewrite the genetic code of human beings and suddenly make them into something they are not....and will probably never be...

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

ya, i think people need a leg up too, im going to be starting a charity that helps people form their own business, by sponsoring some of the start up obstacles placed in small business that causes alot of small businesses to fail. Thru charity donations we can use these funds to overcome the obstacles, and create, or promote the generation of small business. For example I think everyone that has a talent or knows how to make something can offer their product or service on the internet and have a web page to do it. I know how to do all this, and gained alot of experience from my own business. Im quite successful at my business, even though my profit is low, I have always made enough to pay my rent, food, gas, pay employees, etc...

[-] 0 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

I can agree that often people need a little help, and it can come in many forms....I like your idea of establishing a charity to help small enterprise, as there are hurdles that come up that many cannot vault over unless they have a plan, or have the experience of knowing how others overcame the same problems in the past......

I am all for self-improvement, I think it is one of the main reasons we exist, what a waste our higher faculties would be if we weren't meant to continually strive to become better and more advanced and learn to more efficiently live in the world, for ourselves and with others.....

I think too many people stop their development and call themselves "done" and get "cooked in the squat" which was a favored analogy of Zig Ziglar...he told a story of a woman baking biscuits that didn't turn out quite right and her mother, seeing the result, said "it looks like the squatted to rise and got baked in the squat......

I don't think we are done learning, or improving ourselves, until a few moments after we draw and expel our last breath.....

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Well, in your case it's not possible to be bored by critical thinking - you don't do any. You're just boring.

[-] -3 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Donut King, how could you forget me. Just ask EPA or Puffy. What ever happened to Bluebird?

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Oh yes, the Irish Traitor for imperialism. I guess I forgot you because you are simply too much of an embarassment to Gaelic onóraigh n onóir.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

er.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

You forget that Reagan was Irish. I could tell you some stories.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yeah, another embarassment to Gaelic onóraigh n onóir!! Thank God for George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy, Bernadett Devlin, George Carlin and Jim Carey, or the Irish part of me would be dying of shame!

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy??? What's you last name?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Rumplulestiltskin.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

I love it. You guys can dish out vitriol and insults all over the place but you all hide behind pseudonyms. What are you people afraid of?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Jflynn, joined Jan. 28th. No contact information, no location.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

John Flynn, born 1964. Pretty simple. What the heck is Gypsy King.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Oh sure, I take you at your word. It has proven such a font of integrity. John Flynn, huh? . . . lives nowhere and no contact info. Whatever.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Afraid huh. Big talker when you hide behind some ridiculous screen name. That says a lot about you.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

You really take the cake for absurdity. Everyone here has a screen name inclucing you, as I pointed out. You think I believe you name is "John" Flynn. Okay macho-man, out with the location, address, and phone #.

LOL!!!

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

You have my name, all I have of yours is Gypsy King and you own a donut store.

[+] -4 points by DKA4today (42) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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