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Forum Post: It is not Government’s place to regulate our freedom; Government should protect our property and leave us alone!

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 21, 2012, 7:40 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ
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Therefore I suggest we get rid of the income tax and replace it with a property tax. (All types of property.)

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Simple solutions are often the best.

[-] 2 points by hvncb (24) 2 years ago

what govenrment, it is a corporation....wake up.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Oh man thanks just got my coffee...

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

yes.. automobiles, land, houses, corporations, horses, stocks, farms. This makes sense. It is fair. Sign me up.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I have NO list...there is NO LIST officer ha ha

thanks just trying to get some different ways of thinking about things out there.

[-] 1 points by nickhowdy (1104) 2 years ago

What "Freedom" are you talking about..Economic? The Government needs to protect individual rights as is specified in the Constitution..

Right now the are busy taking away rights...That probably will affect your "Freedom", economic and otherwise.

You really aren't Free anyway..That's just another fucking illusion.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

What about the "right to be poor"? What if I don't want to be rich?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the corporate economy is not functioning to serve the people

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

Who said it was their job?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the owners of the resources

[-] 0 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

????

[-] 1 points by shooz (17966) 2 years ago

What will the going tax rate be on a roll of Koch brothers toilet paper?

Will it be the same on the Koch brothers generic brands?

Do I get a tax refund after I flush it?

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

That reminds me if we have to pay for water or oil rights on our land, why can't we get paid by the sewer company instead of giving our shit for free?

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

When you say property, are you including everything owned or purchased? Meaning a national sales tax.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

No not a sales tax, we need to stop taxing transactions, just think of it as a fee to the government for protecting what you have, based on it's value, stocks and bonds are easy, real estate, allow an allowance for personal property say $50,000 most people have insurance estimates for more than that so it wouldn’t really be that much work to figure out. Not a sales tax, that defeats the whole thing we should encourage economic activity not tax it, the fee would just be to cover the cost of doing business so to speak.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

Most ideas about changing the tax codes are dreams. People will pressure their representatives for change that results in them paying less. In looking at what we spend the government has to do less, tax more, or some of each.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Don’t get me wrong, I know we’re not going to actually change the system, I’m not delusional. I’m just suggesting a different way to look at taxation and the role that government plays in our lives. This constant refrain of trying to divide the people from their government is really an attempt by powerful people to seize control of the government from the people; some would say they already have.

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[-] -1 points by Lardhead2 (67) 2 years ago

But who is going to support the welfare state that the left is trying to expand?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The fee would be large enough to cover the costs of what we, as a people, decide we want to do.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Government is not a business and should distance itself from such activities.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How is having a property tax instead of an income tax involving government in business?

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Government should not concern itself with money of any kind.

The collection of money is an act of business.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So there should be no people in government, or should they work for free?

[-] -3 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

The people (in theory at least) are the government. Compensating people for simply existing is pointless.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

If you rape somebody do I lock you in my bedroom?

[-] -3 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Is that question relevant?

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Rapes do happen if not by you by someone, it will happen when it does, what happens in this no government worker world?

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

What are you talking about?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by HCabret (181) 4 days ago Government should not concern itself with money of any kind. The collection of money is an act of business. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

If government collects no money who deals with the rapist?

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

What does the government forcibly parting people with thier money have to do with rapists?

Am I missing something?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

That very well could be, that you're missing something.

Who would you have deal with the rapists? volunteers? what if I volunteer that you're a rapist but really I just like your house who's to sort that out? I think you have hit on it when you suggested you may be missing something.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

What do taxes have to do with rape/rapists?

Preventing rape has nothing to do with paying taxes.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Cops don't catch rapist, or cops aren't paid, or is it that cops don't work for the government? which of these ridiculous position do you hold? or none of them? do you live in a magic land where logic and reality doesn't exist?

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Do cops really prevent Rape?

Doesn't education do that?

[-] -3 points by Libertarianliving (149) 2 years ago

Yep, wonderful idea. Make people continuously pay for something that they already paid for so that others can benefit from their money. Yeah, that REALLY sounds like "freedom". And you SAY (cough cough cough) you "want government out of our lives", but you want them in control of taking money from some to give to others. THAT is your idea of "freedom"? A person saves to buy property and then continuously is penalized for "owning" it?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not at all if we don't protect the property then we shouldn't have to take anybody’s money from them, open up all the prisons, close all the courts, bring all the soldiers home. Of course the stock exchanges and banks won’t have any work to do because there won’t be anybody to enforce their contracts. On the plus side you won’t have to pay your mortgage anymore, as long as you got bullets.

[-] -1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 2 years ago

What the hell are you babbling on and on about. I am saying "property tax" is bogus and unfair. You are going off like a programmed robot (typical OWS sheeple-like) about bringing soldiers home and the stock market. have you been indoctrinated by someone to get all riled up and chant slogans?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I thought you were complaining about people having to pay taxes, my mistake, I agree people should pay tax, I think it would be more fair if people paid according to what they own, not what they make.

[-] -2 points by Libertarianliving (149) 2 years ago

That wouldn't be "fair" at all. That would mean we never truly 'own" anything. First we "buy" it and then we "rent" it from the government every year too? How would that be "right"? I guess that looks like a great form of taxation for those who do not own much.

[-] 3 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

Maybe it would be incentive for the rich to downsize what they actually own.

[-] -2 points by Libertarianliving (149) 2 years ago

And WHY should we make them want to do THAT???? How would you like if government intentionally categorized YOU into a group and intentionally did things to hurt YOU financially. I am thrilled that I live in a country in which I could be a Billionaire. I know I will never do it, but THE GOVERNMENT would allow it. Why are you so envious of the people who own a lot of property? There is no rule keeping YOU from doing it! Do you know how many people out there, probably YOU included, have the I.Q.s to be doctors, lawyers, CEO's, whatever, but CHOOSE/CHOSE not to do that. If you envy them so much, why didn't YOU become one? Why didn't YOU do what it took to gain employment which made you a multimillionaire? These "rich" people are just people like you and I. Why should their choices to become filthy rich be made even more difficult? So that some YOU can acquire some of their wealth? I just don't understand. And that ability to become filthy rich has been the great incentive for people to do great things and make great things which advance the quality of life WE ALL have enormously. Without that incentive of great wealth, I highly doubt we would be having this discussion with our words and thoughts communicated from thousands of miles away, in a split second.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

I know I'm not a big guy here but I'm all over the place so maybe you should read around. I don't like big government. I don't like the absurdly high tax rates we have now. All I was doing was going along with the thread. Doesn't mean I support anyone.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you’re opposed to property taxes that cities collect? You talk as if this wasn't already one from of tax that we pay now. What I'm suggesting is that we encourage work by not taxing it. If we want to grow our economy we should stop taxing economic activity and instead raise the necessary funds to run government by placing a fee based on accumulated wealth so no one is asked to pay more than they can afford, and those who don’t have much get a chance to work hard keep what they earn, and if their frugal maybe someday they can rise to the tax paying class.

[-] 0 points by Libertarianliving (149) 2 years ago

yeah, that Utopia sounds wonderful. And YES I am against local and ALL propety taxes. I get tired of buying something and then renting it from the government until I die. I want to OWN my property, not continuously pay for it. School taxes are what really annoy me. Hard working people who made the right choices and "bought" beautiful, very valuable property and then pay for a bunch of kids of single mothers on government assistance and still popping them out, to go to school. And on top of that paying for their own kids to go to private school where they aren't indoctrinated to be liberal lambs who envy anyone with more than they have.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

OK no property taxes = no cops, hope you got plenty of bullets and plent of time to guard that nice home, Better make sure theres water on it for the well and you'll need some way to make electricy, damn now if only there were roads to get all this stuff to you.

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

Whats wrong with horses they make roads for free and self propagate? My truck never made me another truck and I have paid nearly 70k to others to own it and drive it but I never really will own it as long as the government can charge me 1500a year in registration fees and insurances when that money could be going towards my families retirement but the gov got me their too. If I die my family can't digg a hole with a 20 dollar shovel but are forced to pay 5k again to bury me and no my family doesn't need the gov to investigate every death I trust my family more, besides there is already a judge.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8653) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Sounds like the beginnings of a political platform, I wish you luck with that, the “return to horse and buggy” Party. I look forward to seeing you at the debates.