Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: It Is Going To Take A Leader.

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 13, 2012, 5:47 p.m. EST by blackbloc (-19)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

and it is not ron paul. i predict at least one emerges this spring/summer. a true leader. this person well be someone who is most likely under 35 and completely uncorruptable. one who is a true visionary and highly intelligent and imaginative. one who believes in the heart of humanity but is keenly aware of the intricate nature of the crisis facing not just america and and her citizens but the global crisis facing humanity. one who is neither politically correct, a conformist, or a hack with a static view. you may reject this leader because he tells you things that don't conform to your worldview. there will be at least one great leader this year the question is will you be bright enough to be lead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNBOV7QFU8&feature=related

24 Comments

24 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 4 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

It would be nice to have someone come forward to pull things together into a plan that works toward solutions. It gets depressing just seeing ideas tossed out with no one offering any realistic idea how to implement anything.

[-] 2 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge. Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????

The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip...

PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

we need a leader in the fashion articulated in my post.

[-] 2 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge. Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????

The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip...

PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

It's going to take more that a speeches I'm afraid.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by OccupyTheForestGuy (35) 2 years ago

We are all leaders.

That said, yes, I agree that the movement needs some people to lead the way.

Now, would you volunteer to be a target? That is the reality of this world.

So, how about we design a rotating position for leaders? I'm not talking about one position as head of the Movement, but a series of positions that have...hmmm...9 people(?) in a leadership role for a specified time. Then, 9 new people roll into the position. This can be staggered so that there is never a change of everyone in the position of leader at the same time.

Having a group of people in a leadership role does not prevent there being a few people in more permanent positions as "advisors."

I'd toss a few people over 35 into the mix, too. It helps with the appearance of respectability and a few of the older people have actually paid attention over the past millenium. Don't shock the nation too much at once...they're in for enough of a shock when they figure out what has been happening for years.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The real problem with leaders is that, as in Animal Farm, some always become "more equal than others."

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

You should be re-evaluate your understanding of the Occupy movement.

People may lead and at times should lead, but they should not remain in leadership positions. This always leads to the same result: a new elite.

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge.

Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????

The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip... PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?

[-] 1 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

true leaders often are pushed to lead against their will.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Exactly! Long ago, my father loved to tell me about a good man who had zero interest in politics or fame and practically had to be led kicking and screaming into THE JOB... Well, guess what? He turned out to be one GREAT STATESMAN.

Not a SALESMAN like Reagan or Obama or Romney - a STATESMAN!!!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22254) 2 years ago

Like Cincinnatus of Ancient Rome.

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

A positing like this just shows how profoundly insecure most human beings are. Eugene Debs ran for President 4 times between 1904 and 1920 on the Socialist Party ticket. Here's one of the things more significant things he said about leadership: I'm not Moses come to lead you out of the capitalist wilderness and into the socialist promised land and I wouldn't even if I could because that means somebody could lead you back out again. You must use your own heads and your own hands and learn to lead yourselves."

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

you know nothing of human history. you can not here a voice amongst 10,000. but one clear voice amongst the silence can reach all of man kind.

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

you know nothing of human history. you can not here a voice amongst 10,000. but one clear voice amongst the silence can reach all of man kind.

Oh dear, what a horrible waste all that time in grad school studying history was. Anyway, I was quoting Debs. He always had a response like that whenever anybody wanted to characterize him as the "leader" of the socialist movement. Nearly 100 years after his death, he's still having that problem as a lot of pundits (including lots of people with massive formal credentials in history) still want to make him the leader of the socialist movment in the first 2 decades of the 20th century.

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

For now, I am comfortable with having the people leading, and having the leaders following.

[-] 0 points by capella (199) 2 years ago

a leader for what ? ows? if you're under 35 you can't be the president of the usa. that's constitutional law.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

we need a leader to lead not be president that position means nothing.

[-] -1 points by capella (199) 2 years ago

means nothing? have you been living under a rock?

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by philosophersstoned (233) from Gypsum, CO 2 years ago

ahhhahaha "Black Bloc" Anarchist begging to be led by the leash

It's been said that the easiest way to spot undercover cops and agents provacateurs at Occupy gatherings is by looking at who is asking where the leaders are and who they are. I think that may apply here as well. It makes more sense than someone with the user name "blackbloc"pining for a great/true leader.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

to think that we don't need a leader to embody our ideals is to ignore human history. we need a leader like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpYBbl4NkM&feature=related

[-] 0 points by ssjkakkarotx (-77) 2 years ago

No one is incorruptible. The whole notion is foolish. Like Lambs to the slaughter.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I agree. That's why we need a transparent and accountable system. Have you noticed how most of us are held to such a high degree of accountability in our daily lives and how the elite are not?

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

i am incorruptible. there are others, not many, but if i exist surely there are others.