Forum Post: It Is Going To Take A Leader.
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 13, 2012, 5:47 p.m. EST by blackbloc
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and it is not ron paul. i predict at least one emerges this spring/summer. a true leader. this person well be someone who is most likely under 35 and completely uncorruptable. one who is a true visionary and highly intelligent and imaginative. one who believes in the heart of humanity but is keenly aware of the intricate nature of the crisis facing not just america and and her citizens but the global crisis facing humanity. one who is neither politically correct, a conformist, or a hack with a static view. you may reject this leader because he tells you things that don't conform to your worldview. there will be at least one great leader this year the question is will you be bright enough to be lead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNBOV7QFU8&feature=related
It would be nice to have someone come forward to pull things together into a plan that works toward solutions. It gets depressing just seeing ideas tossed out with no one offering any realistic idea how to implement anything.
I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge. Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????
The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip...
PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?
we need a leader in the fashion articulated in my post.
I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge. Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????
The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip...
PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?
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It's going to take more that a speeches I'm afraid.
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We are all leaders.
That said, yes, I agree that the movement needs some people to lead the way.
Now, would you volunteer to be a target? That is the reality of this world.
So, how about we design a rotating position for leaders? I'm not talking about one position as head of the Movement, but a series of positions that have...hmmm...9 people(?) in a leadership role for a specified time. Then, 9 new people roll into the position. This can be staggered so that there is never a change of everyone in the position of leader at the same time.
Having a group of people in a leadership role does not prevent there being a few people in more permanent positions as "advisors."
I'd toss a few people over 35 into the mix, too. It helps with the appearance of respectability and a few of the older people have actually paid attention over the past millenium. Don't shock the nation too much at once...they're in for enough of a shock when they figure out what has been happening for years.
The real problem with leaders is that, as in Animal Farm, some always become "more equal than others."
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You should be re-evaluate your understanding of the Occupy movement.
People may lead and at times should lead, but they should not remain in leadership positions. This always leads to the same result: a new elite.
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I don't usually see eye to eye with "blackbloc", who may well be a troll for all I know, but I do agree that a leader eventually needs to emerge.
Why should "leader" be a dirty word anyway? Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Vaclav Havel, Aung San Suu Kyi didn't do too badly, did they????
The important thing is to choose VERY carefully someone incorruptible and who is NOT on an ego-trip... PEOPLE WHO CRAVE THE JOB NEED NOT APPLY - know what I'm sayin'?
true leaders often are pushed to lead against their will.
Exactly! Long ago, my father loved to tell me about a good man who had zero interest in politics or fame and practically had to be led kicking and screaming into THE JOB... Well, guess what? He turned out to be one GREAT STATESMAN.
Not a SALESMAN like Reagan or Obama or Romney - a STATESMAN!!!
Like Cincinnatus of Ancient Rome.
A positing like this just shows how profoundly insecure most human beings are. Eugene Debs ran for President 4 times between 1904 and 1920 on the Socialist Party ticket. Here's one of the things more significant things he said about leadership: I'm not Moses come to lead you out of the capitalist wilderness and into the socialist promised land and I wouldn't even if I could because that means somebody could lead you back out again. You must use your own heads and your own hands and learn to lead yourselves."
you know nothing of human history. you can not here a voice amongst 10,000. but one clear voice amongst the silence can reach all of man kind.
you know nothing of human history. you can not here a voice amongst 10,000. but one clear voice amongst the silence can reach all of man kind.
Oh dear, what a horrible waste all that time in grad school studying history was. Anyway, I was quoting Debs. He always had a response like that whenever anybody wanted to characterize him as the "leader" of the socialist movement. Nearly 100 years after his death, he's still having that problem as a lot of pundits (including lots of people with massive formal credentials in history) still want to make him the leader of the socialist movment in the first 2 decades of the 20th century.
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For now, I am comfortable with having the people leading, and having the leaders following.
a leader for what ? ows? if you're under 35 you can't be the president of the usa. that's constitutional law.
we need a leader to lead not be president that position means nothing.
means nothing? have you been living under a rock?
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ahhhahaha "Black Bloc" Anarchist begging to be led by the leash
It's been said that the easiest way to spot undercover cops and agents provacateurs at Occupy gatherings is by looking at who is asking where the leaders are and who they are. I think that may apply here as well. It makes more sense than someone with the user name "blackbloc"pining for a great/true leader.
to think that we don't need a leader to embody our ideals is to ignore human history. we need a leader like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpYBbl4NkM&feature=related
No one is incorruptible. The whole notion is foolish. Like Lambs to the slaughter.
Yes, I agree. That's why we need a transparent and accountable system. Have you noticed how most of us are held to such a high degree of accountability in our daily lives and how the elite are not?
i am incorruptible. there are others, not many, but if i exist surely there are others.