Forum Post: It is fascinating how the paid and unpaid troll traffic on this site increases around the time that there are OWS protests.
Posted 12 years ago on March 1, 2012, 7:25 a.m. EST by therising
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If anyone doubted that some of the trolls are paid, all they have to do now is take a look at the massive amount of leaked documents revealed recently to see how paranoid the 1% are and how they're taking action in an attempt to neutralize the movement.
The documents that are a part of this massive leak are very revealing because they show a hijacked government using the Department of Homeland Security to spy on U.S. citizens exercising their first amendment rights. The government, hijacked by corporate interests, is oddly focused on protecting the corporations rather than the citizens.
This post has the links to articles about this massive leak showing Department of Homeland Security spending its time making sure corporate interests are protected: http://occupywallst.org/forum/massive-leak-reveals-stratfor-at-beheat-of-corpora/
we need to be careful and double check information from Stratfor. Now you saying that CIA paying trolls. lets dump em up and eat each other. I sow online russian journal which made article out of leaked Stratfor emails. It says that Osama wasn't buried in the sea but his body were taken to cia plane to Washington. For my personal opinion BS starts from beginning of operation, because i think Osama was way beyond that already. i dont rely on emails. Piece of mind telling me that some of the accounts were created in purpose of leaking.
Why would any get paid to post on a web site with a few dozen people posting on it. That would be a waste of money.
Keep yapping but fasten your seatbelt. Spring and summer are coming. Then you'll look even more foolish than you do now.
you caught me. i'm a paid troll.
who's your boss
I mean to replace you
Great. Well at least corporations, the 1%, the republicans have put SOMEBODY to work :)
So true!
How many times will these poor misguided troll souls come back and play the same tired song on their jukebox?
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Get some fresh angles to argue with, please, trolls.
I find it even more fascinating that you can tell the difference from paid and non paid by tactics.
Unpaid trolls are the ones out in the open.
The paid trolls act as supporters but in their support they find reasons to disqualify other supporters, either by party divide or similar. These folks are better at running off newcomers because they appear to be part of the movement and they give a false sense of partisan slant to Occupy (usually democratic). I suspect these trolls are here to prevent the decline in other movements from translating into larger numbers for Occupy.
Yup. I think you're right. Fortunately they're not very good at what they're being paid to do.
I think they figure it is a good time to disrupt the site. While many supporters are out protesting.
Someday they may figure out, that they can't poison the well.
Yup
Like your post on the information leak.
Thanks. You know, when you read that after a day like yesterday with huge number of nationwide protests (unreported by national corporate media), it gets you thinking. Then you consider the fact that peaceful protestors are being kept out of parks and are being denied their first amendment rights and investigated by their own government, a government that has been hijacked by corporations.... And you realize: hey, wait a second. This is TOTALLY fucked up. Black is white and white is black. We are through the looking glass....
therising, you wrote: "You know, when you read that after a day like yesterday with huge number of nationwide protests (unreported by national corporate media),"
It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Since orporate media wrote off Occupy as a "dead" movement, the only way they can make that seem "real" to so many is to ignore the fact of Occupy's presence at actions (protests). Guess we're going to have to increase visibility of the "Occupy" brand. LOL!
It is surreal. Well, they did say that the revolution would not be televised :)
That "is" a popular saying.
Well I guess then . . . here we are!
Exactly. Absurd but accurate. For now. It will be that way until we start following King an Gandhi's playbook. They skillfully played the press like a piano and their direct actions received major coverage because they created the good kind of tension.
I bet Gandhi found he had better foreign coverage too.
Probably. But New York Times was there for some of the biggest moments in movement. Gandhi made sure they would be. We need to start getting strategic and tactical.
Part of that could be a campaign to embarrass the media by lobbying other foreign media to question them about their lack of coverage. We could also lobby them to badger the Government about that same issue.
calling them out hasn't happened because lack of trust and motivation, not lack of resources.
I agree. We need to find a way though.
I really like that idea.
Thanks.
Falling down the rabbit hole. Everyone's 1st clue that this was going to be a long strange ride. Was when the MSM ambulance chasers did not show-up and want to be embedded.
I remember talking to an NBC News cameraman at Zuccotti. He was completely sympathetic to the movement and was going on and on like an occupier. But NBC was of course doing the corporate distant version of events as narrative. It made me realize we're dealing with corporations here. Not people. The people get it. And the people are rising.......
"Truth crushed to earth rises up." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Hence the corporate dogs and their dirty play.
We can win this if we unite. It's absurd that 1% rules over the other 99% in a free republic. They are hijackers. Nothing more. Corporate hijackers who have dazzled and distracted American citizens and turned them into consumers. But the citizens are awakening......
Yes they are. Coverage or no coverage the word is spreading.
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That's right. We need to understand the tremendous power of our adversaries to maipulate public opinion, and also ecomomic factors that influence elections. As the year goes on, the oil companies and speculators will ratchet up the price of gas higher and higher, and then focus the blame on Obama through their major media monopoly.
That is why I think both this site, and social media, are so important. We can use them to counter that vast opinion molding machine they have at their disposal, and that is why they must not be allowed to censor the internet,
just more traffic in general
Yep. We are still standing for all the shit.
These Basher-Trolls are here to do Just This.. get you to talk about them.. Reply to their posts and Topics.. to get them on top of the Forum again, and again.. .. Dont take the Bait.. and Dont let them push your buttons.
Ignoring them is exactly what pushes THEIR buttons.
When you begin reading them.. Move on. They dont deserve your time or efforts.
Best to those who try and try.. but LEARN from it!
And it would all end if we just kept real low and only talked about the one subject that they have decided that it is ok to talk about. Maybe if we kick back and let them continue on.........it will get a little narrower and they will have redefined it. That will be swell, Marlow, won't it? Have everything nicely packaged in what would be acceptable form.....that clearly doesn't resemble anything like it was initially. Just be good, eh?
Marlow is right
Marlow is right for Marlow.
Don't ask me to sit back and watch them consistently torture others. I refuse.
So you have taken the other side then? Well then they have accomplished their goal of division. You are now free to act in their interest but not Occupy's. Occupy is an inclusive movement. What will you do now that you have decided you require an exclusive movement. Hardly seems a forum for incisiveness will be productive for you since you expect exclusivity.
Oh, for chrissakes, cut the shit. I don't consider you a moderator or anyone to answer to. Never have.
I don't have to be a mod to make a point. Sorry this is complicated for you but you say you are for Occupy yet your actions seek to diminish our numbers by alienating other supporters. Are you or are you not? Running people off does not say "I want this to work". Especially considering that OWS has no party and it has been stated many times by many GAs.
I call bullshit.
You are the one that just doesn't get it. Shhhhhh lets just stick to one topic and we are not going to discuss any other elements of that one topic unless we get the approval of the trolls.
Don't discuss legislation unless we get the approval of the trolls. Don't discuss the Koch brothers or ALEC unless we get approval from the trolls. Don't discuss the Tea Party or the Republicans unless you get approval from the Trolls.
You have either unwittingly or intentionally allowed them to narrow the conversation. I am not involved with the DNC and I am not a registered Democrat.
I call bullshit.
Are you really trying to make the case that OWS is anti-republican or I am the leader of the trolls? I don't think you know what bullshit is.
That isn't true AND you know it.
Try again.
You want to run around with your divisive attitude toward fellow Americans, be my guest. Makes you look intelligent and committed. To what, I've no idea. More of the same is what it will get you though. I support change, guess it's easier said than done.
You want to run around like a traffic cop. Get over yourself.
lol, really? So now it's about me? No, it's still about you being divisive. I have stood up for you against anti-democratic attacks, and now I'm standing up to you for anti-republican attacks. It is in my interest and my kids interest that Occupy succeeds. Therefore it is in my interest to scorn anyone trying to diminish our numbers by way of political labels. If unity is to much for you, you have the wrong movement.
yeah, lol, I didn't have to make it about you. You did that all by yourself. Because Richard it really is all about you. Now, you can have the trolls all pat you on the back and you will really be in the club.
Fuck you.
...as if you don't lay anyone out that claims to be a republican or says something not inline with the televised democratic view? Please, don't forget to add another quip or cliche, it really helps you make the point that divisiveness is healthy for Occupy.
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wow, I thought you were grown. My bad. Best wishes but OWS is and will remain, without party. Hope you can live with that.
I have not once told people how to vote. That is in your head. Grow the hell up.
Furthermore, I will continue to discuss topics as related to the list of grievances and if you don't like it.......tough.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/senators-call-for-investigation-into-taxpayer-fund/
Huh?? Whoa! I have been on Message boards and Forums for over a decade.. and what i learned was, that there will Always be that one element that has Absolutely NO vested interest in ANY Topic or post, but to bash and have fun doing it.
... Big Difference in ignoring the Morons and Goobers who just want to cause confusion and trouble, and having a a GOOD Debate with intelligent opposition.
.. I didnt deserve that 'slap'...
I didn't deserve it either.
These aren't those type of trolls, Marlow. Remember when there were trolls that would come to the boards with a problem and ask for advice? The story would gain steam and it would go on and on. This ain't them.
You know when the forums looked like something out of StormFront and it was hell to get those ones out of forums? This ain't them.
You know David Markuze? This ain't him.
There is a big difference between the average troll and those that have been hired to troll. You may be perfectly fine to sit back and watch them torture other people. Don't ask me to.
GF... i am aware.. and i think there is a miscommunication here too. In order for me to get my first post here on top, it ended up looking as if i had posted directly to you.. when i Was Responding to Risings' Topic.
I have been having this conversation with Rising for a day or so in Messages.. Did NOT mean to comment to you about my Take.
So.. ' beep, beep'.. i am backing up!
Peace, Marlow.
Voltaire- Parade
I've to taken posts from other thread to support the NO WAR thread
Why are U.S. citizens putting up with this? Why are we, 99% of the population allowing 1% to rule over us when we actually have the power? Why have we allowed Exxon, Halliburton and other large corporations to frack in many of our states - causing manmade earthquakes and potentially poisoning water supply for a large segment ofU.S. population?
What's wrong with us? Numbed and dumbed down by TV and consumerism? Do they really have us that dazzled?
The document leak referenced above shows the lengths to which corporations (with their government minions) will go.
We need to nonviolently remove these hijackers and restore our republic. We have the power. We've had it all along.
Paid trolls, provocateurs can't stop us. Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-the-day/
But, they aren't putting up with it.
Well, let's be honest. Most U.S. citizens are demoralized and don't know what to do about our rigged system. They are essentially putting up with the state of affairs which makes them and us complicit in the crime of 1% ruling over 99% in a free republic.
Most people are hanging on by a thread and have been for some time. You cannot do anything if you are living hand to mouth.
Good point. But there also many in a position to do something who are afraid to step out of line. There's a lot of fear. And we need to get over it. The strength and power belong to us, the 99%, as soon as we realize we ARE th 99% and have more in common than we have separating us. Then we can make decisions from a position of unified strength rather than demands from a position of divided weakness.
There are those as well.
That is when they should really become active.
It's rather difficult. If you look back to the marches in the 1960's and 1970s you will find that most of those people were middle class people. Not those in disparate poverty. If they have to spend their time trying to figure out where the next meal is coming from then it takes precedence over everything.
Well, I disagree. What you don't realize is that a lot of these people are receiving some kind of government subsidize so they are not in as bad financially as you may think.
I worked around the government housing projcects for a long time and I can tell you that all of the people living there had plenty of time on their hands.
They didn't want to change the way they lived. They have more time then you and me and although their living conditions aren't what we think they should be for them, they are very much satisfied being where they are. The government makes it easy for them to be there.
Received. Received at one time.
See, there are a lot of programs that people think may have been there or should have been there but may not have existed at all. Then there are programs that have been slashed. Now, there is an entire level of people that make right over the line to qualify for any program and cannot get any type of help.
It's like the individual that works 2 jobs and each job is cut off right before qualifying for crappy insurance. So, when they get sick they go to a clinic where it costs $80-120 to walk in the door. They can't afford tests and they can't afford medication. So, they don't receive medical care.
You rock.
Thanks, DKA.
You made an absolutely wonderful point. What else could I say?
Ther are programs out there for the poor to help them survive - there are people who if totaled up their income would be well over 50,000.
Go to the federal website and type in low income credits and you will see what I'm talking about.
There are programs out there that neither you nor I are aware of but those who get into the government programs have full access.
And why did that individual put themselves in the position they are in? I mean when I was growing up we had nothing but we survived and my dad improved his job skills as time went by.
He had a goal to do that and it happened. How many people do you know who are receiving welfare have a goal? Very few if any. Having a goal plants the seed to succede.
If a person doesn't want to succede they won't and will always complain.
The way that many programs work is that the Federal government pays x amount and the States also pay x amount. So, when cuts come to one or two sides or congress has a plan to end funding then the states also reduce funding. So, as you know many programs have been slashed drastically. Cuts have come down in all areas.
So, the best thing to do is to check what is available in your state. If your state is centralized, it should be easier to do. If your state is decentralized..........hahahahahahaha....just kidding, check your county. The problem is that most people do not know what is available until they have no choice but to look for it. It either exists or it doesn't exist. What exists in one city may not exist in other cities in the same state and may be very, very different from what is available in the next state.
Then the question is.....do you qualify? You have to qualify.
And no, you have no right to ask someone, why did you put yourself in that position? We cannot be effective when we pretend that everything comes under the radar and is discussed as if it were a Southern beauty parlor.
And yes, I have made inquiries into goals.
The question is not about asking an individual why they put themselves in the position they are in. The issue is and question is what are they going to do to get themselves out of that position.
If they don't have answers to that question or are not concerned about it, they will remain where they are and you, I and the rest of the taxpayers will be footing the bill for their existence until the day they die.
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But that was the question that you asked.
If we were dealing with just the homeless population and were looking backwards to somewhere around 15 20 years ago-then you would see about three different groups. Let me remind you that under Reagan we saw the final stages of deinstitutionalization and once that was finalized it was an out of sight out of mind problem. It costs tax payers more but nobody wants to see that. That is one of those groups. Another group would be those that lost everything due to drug use. Another group were Vet's.
Today, we have a lot of different groups. Rent has skyrocketed due to greed. People that have jobs can not afford rent. We have elderly people that can not afford rent. We have families that are out on the street.
None of that includes people that are barely getting by that do NOT qualify. It seems that you have that picture of the pink Cadillac Welfare Queen image in your head.
Rent controls are like asking a girl out in a date. A profit cap is a home run.
A cap on profits would prevent skyrocketing prices.
Rent controls. :/
Today's topic is aboout "people out of work" and what they are doing about it. We are not talking about homeless vets, homeless disabled people and we are not talking about homeless druggies. Greed has nothing to do with rent - it's called "suppy and demand".
Everything that OWS talks about is "greed". They don't talk about empowering people to "be independent" but instead talk about how to take money away from successful people - but not Apple - oh no, that's sacred territory.
Elderly people who can't afford rent can get government assistance. They do it here in Atlanta every day all day long.
One thing that is not mentioned much is why everything costs so much - Do you think maybe it's because of "high oil prices" or because the people of this country don't want to inconvience themselves by boycotting those whom they despise?
I have yet to see OWS boycott anybody or anything. They talk a good story but that's as far as it goes.
I have mentioned in the past about marching on Washington DC. Well finally after several months there may be one weekend protest.
The OWS being a younger generation have no "fortitude" to go out there like people who are on strike. They do it because it's a convience not because of being "dedicated' to a cause.
Anyone can protest when it's 70 degrees , sunny and warm.
I didn't see much protesting when the weather was 10 degrees and snowing or sleeting.
What a crock of crap. Affordable housing has been a problem. The rent prices were raised specifically because they could be raised. It's called: I want a piece of the pie. Don't attempt to dehumanize it.
Here is the gap. What part of slashing of budgets did you not get? http://www.wowonline.org/DoingWithout.asp
Love Atlanta it has fantastic programs. Try again.
There already was a march on DC. And do you know why it didn't receive a lot of attention? Because it happens all the time. :/ Protests happen in DC on a regular basis. There is even an entire area to contain them in.
The topic of the day is for you to run around in circles. Thanks, but no thanks.
Interesting you mention the word " empowerment" now, in reference to becoming independant. I have said the very same things for months here.
What has happened to this forum is that it has become all about the " haves" and " have nots". Of course there are major issues in this country, and yes the workforce has declined in many industries, but not all.
Being widowed, with a baby, at a very young age, I had to empower myself to become independant, and refused to look to the gov't to bail me out. Took tremendous energy and fortitude to pull myself up and out of what could have easily been the black hole of dependance. Yes of course inflation has gone thru the roof on everything, and not all wages have gone up to compensate, but the entire country is not in the ditches. College kids in my area are getting decent jobs , its not all min wage out there.
Living in and running a business in the metro NY area, I see things very differently than many do here. What I see is working people, folks are filling the theatre district and its not just tourists. I see the hotels are still getting $300 and up for rooms. Restaurants are packed on the weekends and people are still walking around with thier $4 starbucks. Concert halls in Lincoln Center are full houses for performances. Luxury cars are still being sold .
I often wonder if geographics plays a role. My business has changed its face to work with the economy, we found a different niche to keep things rolling. and it is working. Of course loads needs to change, just wondering how much we as individuals can do to help ourselves.
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I have trouble recognizing the double-agents. Which leaves me suspicious of each and everyone of you.
I think you're racist and specifically put up BS ignorant threads that are so far out of whack that you have no choice but to take the other side.
We're even.
Are you finished !
For the moment.
mr friendly, don't worry about GirlFridaythe13th. She showed her true colors by releasing a sick perverted anti-mormon web site. she has no moral ground to stand on.
I have observed a lot of your post in the past before I joined this forum and I must say, your post is more propaganda BS then anything else
You just like to defend ALEC. I refuse to defend ALEC. Deal with it.
Hey sir or mam or whatever, you do not even know me but you accuse me of defending ALEC. Are you a lib by any chance??? sure seems like it
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-street-gets-more-violent/
Shut up and sit down.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-street-gets-more-violent/#comment-658798
You didn't change any more or any less from yesterday or the day before or the day before that. You just like to defend ALEC. I refuse to defend ALEC.
I prefer to call it agitprop.
As far as forum is concerned....If you search under username you can bring up all posts. Read the body of work by any user and you can pretty clearly see the level of sincerity. Even their best people aren't good enough to fool you when you look at all the writings together.
Okay so out of the regulars are half of them sincere? Which ones?
I think each of us needs to be our own judge. The gut only works when you read each body of work for yourself. I think it's pretty obvious who's who. And I think most are sincere. Nowhere near half are paid or unpaid trolls.
My gut tells me tells me there is something terribly deceptive at the root of OWS.
If you really believe that, you should stop participating.
Yea...we're all paid.... Half wit OWS assholes think like this because it's the only way to rationalize why 99% of the country is AGAINST them.
Yep...I just got paid for writing that.
Freaking morons
You're hilarious. If you're level of discourse represents the opposition the. We've already won :)
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I hate OWS too and I dont get paid. It is almost like a sport. Shooting carp in the lake type of fun. It really is simple. Everything they say is so stupid it is easy to participate. "We wil ovrthro the curent corparet and bankieng systum and tak control four the poeples." They always complain there are MORE trolls on here than OWS people. What does that say about interest?
You're a moron.
Most fascinating of all is when the Bot's themselves have to post about the problem with Bot's.
That show's you a lack of imagination on the side the team paying the bills.
If I were paying for the OWS I would have pulled the plug long ago.
who would pay anything for the dribble we write here? People just hate Occupy for free.
o no trolls what ever shall we do. Here's what you do ignore them do what everyone else does ignore them. Don't whine like a little bitch about them because they are on every site.
On the document leaks some idiot is going through the trash finding away to get emails or it could just be normal workers. Don't bring in stuff that isn't there, Also if i was to say any better this guy is the troll
Wow. You're a piece of work. All over the place aren't you?
yes sir