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Forum Post: ISIS hasa no vooice in media unless its to claim terrorist attacks Bullshit

Posted 5 years ago on Nov. 14, 2015, 11:27 a.m. EST by MattHolck0 (3867)
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I can't say who was behind in the attacks on pAris

suffice to say

Governments and Media are using it to justify their continued war

WE know france is interested in continued wars as the third largest distributor of weapons to the world

Global Arms Sales 39% United States 18% Russia 8% France



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[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 5 years ago

To the best of my understanding Russia has bombed ISIS stronghold and claimed capital city Raqqa so that Syrian Regular troops can move in to put an end to ISIS. Could it be that the USG and French G are bombing Raqqa now so that Syrian troops can't move in (thereby protecting ISIS.)?

What wicked webs are woven.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

aslong as we keep using weapons

the weapons company will support war

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 5 years ago

Of course. So goes the theory of supply and demand.

The only question is how to mitigate demand?

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

The people putting together documents and demanding their representatives sign them. Stuff like that.

Basically anything besides doing nothing and then pulling the lever for some corrupted politicians every two-four years lol.

[-] 5 points by Shule (2638) 5 years ago

Too bad our politcians no longer consider the people's will. A lot of folks have been doing a lot of things, but whatever has already been done it will take much stronger medicine than that.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Just not enough people involved. If you take 1% of say, the population of philly, and they organize, thats 15k people working.

I think our short attention spans tend to work against us as well. Most people lose interest in things very quickly.

I remember GAs where people would bitch that they went over an hour. Im like, hello, we are living here. Lets just stay till the shit is done.

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

still holding out for anyone to speak against airstrikes

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 5 years ago

Now that would really be something.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

it's not like the US doesn't find ways to give away excess supply of weapons

stop sales ans production

sales support demand

advertising supports demand in a world of extras

[-] 4 points by Shule (2638) 5 years ago

Positive feedback loop; nasty situation.

Now there is such a thing as blowing out fires with dynamite, and the practice of burning brush to stop forest fires. People can start wars with a word, and make peace with the same. I think the issue is what one does with the tools in hand, be it a gun or not. The problem today is our politicians in D.C. have no intention of stopping the conflagerations the've made.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

Now there is such a thing as blowing out fires with dynamite

that's not what's going on

DOD is just following orders when they killed mideast people


[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Sadam Hussein ordered his retreating troops to set fire to hundreds of oil wells, released vast amounts of crude into the Persian Gulf, causing the greatest manmade environmental disaster ever. It took dynamite to extinguish the oil wells and save the environment. Yes, dynamite in the hands of very brave people can be an environmental salve. The intention of the people behind the dynamite makes the huge difference.

One shining example of Middle Eastern peace is between Egypt and Israel. The U.S. has been arming both greatly for decades. Weapons seemed to have stabilized the situation there for decades. Of course, the real reason was that Egypt and Israel had a change of heart after Sinai had been returned but the guns and tanks cemented that well.

With peoples loving peace and lobbying for it, there will be peace. With peoples' craven desires, there will be endless wars. Krieg(War) is the mechanism for kriegen(get). It is pretty simple and obvious and ingrained in German.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Put different groups in charge of policy would seem to be a fairly reasonable solution.

It just sucks that the general population is incapable of this.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

NPR claim debate candidates to smear themselves in fresh Parisian blood tonight

to face the issues of wars the US conduct in 8 countries

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

at the top of twitter #standwithparis

Liked 776 times emma caulfield Verified account ‏@emmacaulfield 14h14 hours ago

Evil exists. Accept it. Stop praying for peace. Insist on it. Demand it. Fight for it. Throw the ring into Mordor. #iamparis #StandWithParis

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Fighting for peace itself uses the WRONG metaphor of violence - fighting. A far better way is reading, questioning, pondering, thinking, verifying, meditating, and communicating. Cogito ergo sum - René Descartes. When seeking troglodytes, leave no rocks unturned (even turning them twice to no net effect aside from knowing whether there are troglodytes there).

The U.S. arms may well be superior to those of other countries. Takedowns of the Iraqi armed forces in the Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm/Shield) and the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom) were surprisingly fast. It was the same thing in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom). The U.S. has numerous allies, bases, and so-called allies worldwide so arms sales help support them in the eternal global war for freedom and suppression/oppression.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

those suppressed/oppressed are not free.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Arms are inherently neutral with no moral bases, to be used for freedom as well as for non-freedom. They are full-spectrum tools (like the Atoms for Peace program to help achieve nuclear non-proliferation). The U.S. can exert influence but it cannot determine the outcomes as much as a handgun manufacturer has over the commission or prevention of a crime.

Strictly speaking, the NRA was correct that people, not guns necessarily, kill people. NRA was correct that the answer to guns in the hands of bad people is more guns in the hands of good people. Security guards work well in any mass gathering context. The rich, the powerful, all use security guards. I stared down at the assault weapons of security guards. Yes, they can work their deterence magic alright although I had no bad intentions so they were targeting wrong. Mildly put, anyone can become very annoyed by involuntary pat down if they have not lost their ability to masturbate yet.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

gun is what gun does kill people

inherently dangerous remove from environment

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Did you know that Alfred E. Nobel had to take his explosive trinitroglycerin orally as a medicine for his heart disease? Isn't that inherently dangerous? Remove that, really?

Gun can be what gun does - it protects good people by killing bad people.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23372) 5 years ago

"Pope Francis Says People Who Manufacture Or Invest In Weapons Can't Call Themselves Christians"


[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

The Roman Catholic Church claims parthenogenesis of Jesus. If the Shroud of Turin holds the cells of Jesus, can we do a karyotype determination to prove the virgin birth of Jesus? A karyotype of 45X should prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person did not result from human fertilization. It will bolster greatly the case that Jesus had a virgin birth as the Church claims.

Jesus not having been married and having left no descendants favor the 45X karyotype and the divine nature of Jesus but scientific evidence can further enhance the faith.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Wait. Has the truth just come out that NO ONE can be called Christian because everyone is manufacturing or investing in chemoweapons and bioweapons in their gastrointestinal tract?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23372) 5 years ago

"It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?" he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries, saying "duplicity is the currency of today ... they say one thing and do another."

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars. He spoke of the "tragedy of the Shoah," using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

"The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn't they bomb (the railway lines)?"

From Pope Francis.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

The bombs needed to destroy the railway lines to the death camps would have been made by weapons manufacturers in the weapons industries. See? Apparently, only the non-Christians have the means to save the people being sent to the death camps.

I don't believe that because there is Revelation 19:15 - "Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations." A sword is a weapon, in my opinion, possessed by the Word of God leading the armies of heaven. Who made that sword? God? So God is non-Christian?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23372) 5 years ago

I believe in morality, and love, light and logic. Not what you are saying at all, not one bit. Violence begets violence and is never the answer.

[-] 4 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

Your beliefs are not naively idealistic. Rather it is the lack of humanity that has been drummed into us... is what the problem is

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23372) 5 years ago

That's right. And, as I just said to grapes, any knowledge that is sought without an open heart and without the best intentions for all people is knowledge we do not need.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

You got it exactly reversed. It is the excessive frustrated desires of humanity that are reflected in the violence.

Violence begets violence in the long-term, but in the short-term, it is always violence that puts a quick stop to violence. There are often mirages of peace efforts warping the perceptions of the populace but all successes of peace efforts are always underpinned by the parties involved being so sick and tired of the violence that they become willing to compromise. Then time heals the wounds, if given the chance.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

I believe in the same but I also believe in the means that can get us there. Violence begets violence? True, indeed. People get sick of violence. True, again. Even the enemy's people get sick of violence. True, again. Eventually, if there are still anyone left, logic takes over to show that it is in the interests of all to forsake violence. That we can all build trust upon. Morality, light, and love all follow.

"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was the first law. "An eye for an eye and the whole world will go blind" was the second law. "Less tooth for less tooth" was the third law. The net change in action must equal zero for equilibrium to persist so "an eye for an eye" is the only physically workable solution for equilibrium. Love, light, and morality are all a state of equilibrium.

Hence, stare into the abyss and say, "Whoa!"

We still need to finish rendering ALL nuclear weapons "impotent and obsolete." Ban all nuclear weapons.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

K*Protect our USA ‏@ChereeCarter12 5m5 minutes ago

@Matt_Holck @angeliquerene The captured attacker claimed that he did it for ISIS...

oh no, the liberal word droppings