Forum Post: Is wealth redistribution legalized robbery?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 5, 2011, 2:19 p.m. EST by Infowar
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Kal Penn Robbed, Forced Redistribution of Wealth By Eric
Actor Kal Penn, a prominent campaigner for the President who now works in the Obama administration, was forced a gun point to redistribute some of his wealth. According to Yahoo News,
-- {Actor Kal Penn, who appeared in the TV medical drama “House” and the “Harold and Kumar” movies, and worked as a White House aide, was robbed at gunpoint in Washington DC Tuesday, his publicist said.
Penn, 32, who served as a political liaison with the Asian American community, was in the Dupont Circle area of the US capital after midnight when a gunman stole his wallet and other belongings, the Washington Post said.}----
Isn’t this what President Obama wants? We need to spread the wealth around, right? I’m sure Kal Penn has plenty of money to spare and that poor disadvantaged citizen is now better off after taking Penn’s wallet. Liberals shouldn’t be mad at the poor man who forcibly redistributed the contents of Penn’s pockets, he was just following Obama’s political philosophy of spreading the wealth around. Of course, the “redistributor” did use a gun, so liberals will still be mad at that. Maybe D.C. needs to pass some more gun laws to keep rich liberals from having their wealth redistributed?
NOTE I am referring to progressive redistribution, from the rich to the poor, although it may also refer to regressive redistribution, from the poor to the rich.
Yes the fed giving 7 trillion to banks and the taxpayers being forced to pay wall streets gambling debts is definitely class warfare committed by the one percent and illegal distribution of wealth. Hank Paulson should be sued by the taxpayer for sure for conflicts of interest by robbing the taxpayer to give handouts to his pals at Goldman for the AIG gambling debt and more
If it's done by Wall St. Bankers disproportionately allocating greater and greater wealth to themselves?
Then, Yes.
ROBBERY!
Absolutely!
If it's done by The State and in line with the Will of The People in order to reallocate resources to those who have been directly or indirectly hurt by speculators and financiers?
Then No... It is Just.
Is that not what a court is for, it's called reparations.
Which is great when charges are brought and justice is served. But in a heavily corrupted system, this seldom happens.
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And this is the system you trust to redistribute wealth?!?!
Hey!
Nice parry!
But no!
Of course not.
I said: "in line with the Will of The People"
First you address the corruption... THEN you address the wealth disparity.
There is nothing wrong with being poor and I would only support taxing to keep the poor fed.
That's messed up.
Charity alone, does not address the institutional and systematic underpinnings of poverty.
Work must be done to educate and to line people up with work that they can do for a living wage.
agree a living wage. I dont know the numbers but 1% have it all so the rest of us scramble for the rest. Not enough to go around
There is a big difference of opinion, there are so many things that are wrong with our system i don't know where to start. Our dollar has been destroyed, in all actuality we are paid more then ever. Back in the 60's it was a whole lot easier to live on a working wage. Look at gas prices look at the price of food and at everything. Now imagine those prices with today's wage. 1oz of gold bought you a nice suit in the 20's and still does today the price of gold in the 20's $20.67 price of gold now $1800.
The problem (as I see it) is that Capitalism is a system designed to allow the EXTRACTION of value via "profit".
Thus, those who have the Capital and who know how to game the system make exorbitant profits and everyone else gets the shaft.
We need open source economics... Open source democracy.
http://metapolitik.org/article/approaching-metapolitical-discourse
That is a whole ton of info to decipher so i will not read it now. One of the big problems with what i am assuming you are asking for is we don't rule the world. Ill explain what i mean, as there are other country's in the world we will always have to have a means for exchange thus capitol. Currency is a means of exchange and the reason it is used is let's say i have corn and you don't need corn we can still trade. So what you are asking for is the peoples power to create money out of thin air like the bankers but the problem is the value of currency is deemed by the asset's of the nation and it's bond holders. Other country don't want a piece of paper worth little so they stop trading or lower the trade value of it.
I believe we need to move toward a Resource Based Economic Model.
http://metapolitik.org/article/approaching-metapolitical-discourse
I don't want to be rude but can you please try explaining things yourself and yes i did just say i don't want to be rude while being rude.
I just gave you a link to a very concise explanation that I wrote myself.
...So, yes.
Yes I can.
And did.
So you basically are a zeitgeister / Venus project er?
I am not involved in or affiliated with either of those organizations but I think that they are asking the right questions.
The fate of our planet hangs in the balance.
You are not affiliated but you want the same thing.
http://www.citicommons.com/contributors/jesse-heffran
this is how i conceptualize a resource based economy
I also do not believe in wars of aggression or the current wars, just wanted to throw that out there.
you are incorrect here - the problem is not inflation but that wages have not kept up with inflation. yes people did live better in the 60's and 70's but while productivity and profits have gone up wages have stayed flat. breaking of unions and tax policy have something to do with this/
The wages can't keep up with inflation as the dollar is destroyed. The reason the prices rise is our dollar is worth less making it cost more dollars to buy things. The same inflation your employer has to pay for goods, making it so they have to pay you less. I am really thinking some of you people are very young.
don't be silly - a pizza cost $.35 in 1936 - we have seen terrible inflation in the past 70 years and yet we are a much richer country now. strike one - "making it so they have to pay you less." - this is in your mind only - that is one possibility but there are others - try to think of one - i am sorry you are so old and so not very bright
Right have you ever balanced a check book? Do you not cut other expenses as the prices of necessities rise?
depends on if my income is rising! i worked through the inflation of the 70's and early 80's - my life was never better - i kept charging more for each lesson (i teach tennis) and people had plenty of money to pay,. my mortgage kept dropping i real dollars and my house increased in value. that is not to say that our country is not facing problems - resource scarcity is coming - in a big way and then inflation for all the things we need to survive will hit and there will not be a corresponding increase in our wealth - for the country as a whole or for most people individually. we have big problems and more coming but inflation is one that you should not worry about - inflation in many ways redistributes wealth - that is why the bond holders and the bankers hate it - read "secrets of the temple" or about the populist movement to get a better idea off how it works - you can also look at "debt the first 5000 years" but that is a tough one to get through
Thanks, I always make this argument here, OWS wants everything to remain the same, .
The same cops that are now spraying tear-gas in their eyes will tomorrow be going door to door to re-distribute the stolen loot. This is their uptopia,
I always ask, ... "WHY do you trust these cops?"
The answer I always get is "They have the guns, and I don't want my hands dirty",
In summary the OWS are no different than the 1% everybody wants someone else to steal on their behalf, nobody wants blood on their hands.
Fucking insane.
You think for a minute that the US court system isn't bought and paid for? Where do the fucking judges come from? They're not people. They're lawyers.
By the time a parasite becomes a judge he's so obligated that every case heard is quid-pro-quo.
You want justice? In ameriKKKa are you dumb?
JUST-US in USA means what it says JUST US the lawyers and NOT YOU.
I know the courts are a fraud but OWS is asking the NWO to help them instead of destroying it, what a joke.
The first day I was involved in OWS I made the observation that the very party that caused the problem is the solution.
Thus one can only accept the premise that OWS is owned by the very people they condemn, but why not control your opposition?
The only way to control the par-dime is to control the gambit, thus you are a slave to the system. Let me tell you the controlled solution is not the answer.
It's trickle down economics that's legalized robbery.
you're damn right it is!...you beat me to it
Explain trickle down economics.
From what I understand it's a system where all the wealth and profit is in the hands of few rich CEOs and Board members. The point is that All this wealth at the top of the pyramid is supposed to be spent back into the economy to generate prosperity...which is obviously not being done. Instead the money is hoarded and used only to generate my more wealth for those at the top of the pyramid, by scamming the others on the lower rungs.
Yes and it is done by government involvement. You don't understand we are on the same page. Through regulation they make one company lawful while another unlawful. They bail out a unprofitable business while letting a profitable one die. One is allowed to take our resources free while another is laughed at for asking to pay to it. look at wallmart most places pay for them to come into there community and they give them tax breaks. Mean while this huge cost cutter drives out the real job creators the ma and pa stores. They use regulations as a tool to destroy there competitors, while there businesses don't get regulated.
Demand side economics. See Reaganomics.
I know what it is i am trying to see if they do. Reaganomics is a lie we have almost never followed free market capitalism or Reaganomics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DBuk91phkI
I thought the Idiot police would have arrested this Shooz by now.
good lord
Not leaving you out, can you explain?
ha ha ha ha every one of them Washingtonians need to have their wealth re-distributed before they do that to us.
"Is wealth redistribution legalized robbery? "
When it results the unjust wealth concentration that exists in America today it should be.
Wealth redistribution from any over-concentrated accumulation provides society a broader economy with greater opportunity for all.
This is one of your phrases by one of the rights wordsmiths that actually means pay taxes, and no paying taxes is not legalized robbery. Its pretty funny how the spindoctors try to rephrase things to make them scary or patriotic, like Freedom Fries replacing French Fries. If you dont like paying taxes go somewhere that does not have taxes, Somalia for instance has 0 taxes, just think, no more government to cheat you from your precious dollars. I hear the gun laws are very liberal over there also so it should be perfect, plus the weathers nice. Meanwhile over here we will continue our fight like patriotic Americans should.
No leftsmith you knew exactly what i meant but will clarify now. Most often it refers to progressive redistribution, from the rich to the poor, although it may also refer to regressive redistribution, from the poor to the rich. The desirability and effects of redistribution are actively debated on ethical and economic grounds.
Well they never threw Reagan in jail for it so I guess, unless the law changed its still legal.
Interpretation, you stuck your tongue out and made a face. How childish and idiotic.
its called trickle up economics, they take everything we have, then cry poverty, so the government bails them out with our tax payers dollars!
Interpretation, you have no argument because Im right, how childish and idiotic
Hitler made everything the Nazis did legal, so? How about NDAA 2011 that makes it legal to hold, torture and kill Americans with out trial? Sorry buddy your team is dead and dying you have not won.
Lol, yet another republican smoke screen, when you cant defend your position bring up the Nazis or dont forget the commies, you can use either or. And the last time I checked NDAA2011 is not a law. As for my team, were doing fine and we barely have gotten started yet, but we should be able to rap it up by the 2020 elections, lots of work to do in the meantime though.
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There's an old saying: a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.
one could make the very sincere argument that "PROPERTY IS THEFT!" in the first place. so OWNING property is like robbery... to nature, and to other human beings
Is Laisezz-Faire capitalism legalized robbery?
worse
Forced Redistribution of Wealth is theft
Wealth has been redistributed in this country, legally, for the past thirty years.
This redistribution has occurred from American wealth going overseas....as shown by our trade deficits.....and from poor, lower class, and middle class Americans going to the top 5% of the population.
Since the mid 1980's, our economy has doubled in size. Yet, male hourly wages peaked in 1980. So where has all of that money gone?
You guessed it......it went to the victors of the class war. The very wealthy.
right on son! now we are getting somewhere
Since it was our government that was bribed by corporations to change laws in their favor then it should be government to either pay what they have taken from us, without using our tax money, or they can start taxing the rich to pay it back to us.
The rich have stolen too much too fast this time for any of us at the bottom to believe that kind of hypocritical tripe.
and so the redistribution from the poor and middle-class to the rich is not? what a silly and lame argument.
Both are i never said that.
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Yup it is. Many people here want to make everyone equally dirt poor.
you are incorrect.
Redistributed wealth aka Marxism, makes everyone poor. The former eastern bloc nations prove that.
See, now you're just confusing bringing criminals to justice with the replacing of one broken system with another broken system.
I'm all for bringing the politicians, lobbyist and bankers to justice. I'm just not really keen on the amount of fucking Marxist around here. Thank God for 2A, the insurance policy against Marxism.
Labeling Marxism or Fascism can be inflammatory and counterproductive, setting up two opposing camps that are dug in like our politicians in Washington. We need to fix a broken system, call it what you want.
Labeling things as they are is a time saver and not deceptive. If you want communism say it, don't name all the planks then claim its not that. I am not saying you want communism or socialism but there are people here doing this.
way off base here - compare the eastern bloc with central and south america in the 1970's - while they were at a similar level economic development in 1910 the eastern bloc was much better off by 1970 - that should be simple enough for you
fool