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Forum Post: Is this place getting more bizarre?

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 31, 2012, 11:46 a.m. EST by Builder (4202)
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Or is it just me?

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[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

Did you see niphtrique's post? The original was like some boring civics class on how to fix the government, so I flamed back on how we need to get in the streets.

And then.... Twilight zone music.....do dee do dee do dee....he comes back , totally off the deep end, 9/11 conspiracies tied to the matrix and Jesus marrying God. Whaddya think? Time for us to get a life and leave this place to the loonies?

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

I was a bit pissed off with your reply, especially the "who do you think you are" part. That is not a productive way of working, so I showed you who I am.

You can verify the facts I have mentioned. You can doubt my explanation of those facts. However, those facts, even without any explanation, remain extremely bizarre.

Link to the Universe is a virtual reality:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/coincidents.html

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

you wanna talk twilight zone?

Your idea that the political structure must respond with consession . . .

The war in Viet Nam should be sufficient to dissuade you of such nonsense - but perhaps you have not heard of that thing we call history . . .

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

To be clear, when we're in the streets, seriously, in numbers, and totally fed up with the system's bullshit elections, courts, laws, etc. - this is what will happen:

A)The system will forget its own rules and totally smash us. B)The system will make concessions to our demands to make sure civil order is maintained, that our havoc doesn't reemerge. C) The system will not admit that its concessions are concessions. Instead, it will give credit to some great reforming politician.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

The degree of each one of your points:

  1. the degree of smashing of OWS

  2. the degree of concession

  3. the degree of admission that concession has taken place

will depend on at least three factors:

  1. our own behavior and our ability to invest civic authority in communities where we are active in their own self interest - market collapse results in lower tax revenue across the board

  2. our numbers

  3. ability to articulate our grievance and control the message

  4. presence within the political establishment at all levels of individuals holding diametrically opposing values, ideals, and goals from OWS objectives

Given the level of dysfunctionality in terms of OWS organizational capacity beyond the level of arranging large disruptions in select locations, I would suggest that number 4 is the most relevant point to consider.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I would pick number 3. Without the numbers, you never get to number 4.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

it was not an ala carte menu from which to choose. Those are some of the factors that will have an impact on the outcome.

In arranging number 4 to suit our needs, it may be useful to note that there have been a number of strategies that have proved viable to one degree or another in the past in this country -

  • political debate
  • mockery of candidates via party opposition during primary challenge: Fred Tuttle v. Jack McMullen, republican senate race, Vermont, 1998
  • forcing candidates to bow out, via curbs, constructed on the basis of personal vulnerabilities, beliefs, or fears
  • assassination
[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

No man. Jesus marrying God?

You gotta run with that on the front page.

Might neva happen again, dude.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

It is great to see that I have been able to make this place a bit more bizarre.

Link to God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband

http://www.naturalmoney.org/investigations.html

It should be front page news, even though it happened nearly 2,000 years ago, and maybe it will be front page news some day.

[-] -3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

lol at the "evidence" section

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Evidence is not proof. There is evidence supporting the theory. The evidence for this is not abundant, otherwise people would have figured it out already. It is only possible to guess this if God Herself points it out to you.

There so much evidence that the Gospel has been modified that it is proven beyond reasonable doubt. For example, the last chapter of the Gospel of John appears to be added later to suggest that the Beloved Disciple was John as the previous chapter already has closing lines (John 20:30-31).

Only a few dare to call it a forgery:

"According to leading biblical scholar Bart Ehrman, many of his contemporaries have it wrong when it comes to the Bible. Instead of calling biblical forgeries what they are—lies—they often fall back on safer scholarly terms, stopping just short of the word “forgery.”

Ehrman, however, is not afraid of breaking rank with his fellow scholars and speaking the truth. In his new book, Forged: Writing in the name of God—Why the Bible’s Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are (HarperOne; April 2011), the New York Times bestselling author debunks many popular myths about the Bible’s forged books and letters, including the idea that “writing in the name of another” was a common, accepted practice in antiquity. According to Ehrman, forgery was just as disgraceful then as it is today."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Erhman/Forged/prweb8219892.htm

So why did they rewrite the Gospel? So why is the marriage between Mary Magdalene and Jesus removed from the texts? I am the only one that has a reasonable answer on those questions. Not only do I have this answer, I also have posted evidence for this universe being a virtual reality and we being programmed simulations of humans.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the bible is not evidence. that'd be like me siting JK Rowling

obviously we have different belief levels. You believe a book written thousands of years ago by some guys is fact. I do not.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I am not a religious person and I do not believe any religion in the world is accurate.

[-] 0 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

You assume that The Bible is on the same level as fiction. This is an assumption. At least I can prove beyond reasonable doubt that this universe is a virtual reality or a simulation:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/coincidents.html

People who, after reading this, and investigating the evidence, still conclude otherwise, prefer to cling to religious or so called scientific dogma instead of accepting reality as it is.

[-] 0 points by PoliticalPrattleKillsOWS (-155) 1 year ago

You assume that The Bible is on the same level as fiction. This is an assumption for which no evidence exists.

The burden of proof is on you to show evidence that the Bible is not a work of fiction. Unless evidence is provided that it is not, then we should assume that is it just like I assume dragons and fairies don't exist.


The fact that this world could be a simulation has nothing to do with the Bible. You're pulling a red herring there. And, even if there is some evidence that we are living in a simulation, there is still no conclusive proof and the matter is very much still under debate in the world of science. It's one theory amongst many others.

Here good reads on the matter:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/9lq/evidence_for_simulation/
http://www.simulation-argument.com/

There are many other articles of this type, and you should also look for criticism of this theory and arguments against it, there are also a lot of those.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Scientists can debate endlessly. But sometimes you have to work with available evidence and make the best of it. Furthermore I have never wanted to prove that The Bible is not a work of fiction. I just assume it just like TrevorMnemonic assumes that that it is fiction. People can simply read and draw their own conclusions like you do. I have no problem with that.

[-] 0 points by PoliticalPrattleKillsOWS (-155) 1 year ago

I just assume it just like TrevorMnemonic assumes that that it is fiction.

That's the thing though, your positions are not equal. TrevorMnemonic is acting logically when he demands evidence to show that the Bible is not fiction because the people who claim it isn't are the ones that bear the burden of proof. It's important to realize that.

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[-] -2 points by PoliticalPrattleKillsOWS (-155) 1 year ago

Jesus might have existed, and might have been a great mean. But, that was 2000 years ago. It's time to talk about people that live today who can solve problems that exist today. The world has changed a lot since Jesus, Leviticus, and friends.

I agree entirely with your comment, especially the last paragraph which makes a whole lot of sense.

[-] -1 points by PoliticalPrattleKillsOWS (-155) 1 year ago

This is the first paragraph in your link:

This document describes the evidence indicating that this universe is a virtual reality. Incidents, accidents and coincidences indicate that our behaviour is controlled and that everything that happens is part of a script. Albert Einstein noted that coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. We are programmed simulations of humans in a holographic virtual reality. Events in history show traces of a design while scientific findings support a theory stating that the universe is a hologram.

Anytime someone claims an absolute truth in a field that is only emergent and only one theory amongst many others and in which many scholars provide various arguments, we should be extremely wary. A serious researcher would simply not say that "We are programmed simulations of humans in a holographic virtual reality." Serious scientists and scholars don't make claims of this type. This sounds very dubious indeed.

There are serious papers on the simulation argument, but this isn't one of them.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Everybody is free to have a theory and bring up evidence. Furthermore this document is not a paper on the simulation argument. I am not a scientist or a scholar. Everybody can read the paper and draw his or her own conclusions. It is clearly written and the evidence is significant.

[-] -3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I remember my Dad talking about another book written by Jesus' brother James the Just, that explains a lot of what you are saying here.

It was destroyed for the reasons you mention. I was pretty young at the time, but I still remember it now.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

James 1:18: He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

He chose to give us birth? It seems obvious what has happened. Christians are also considered to be children of God and born of God (John 1:12-13). There probably was a loophole in the Greek language that preserved "give birth" in the texts. Because this universe is a programmed virtual reality, this was intended by God so there was still some evidence of the gender changes.

[+] -4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm not at all well-researched when it comes to religions, but I do know that several very successful cultures are matriarchal.

It would not surprise me in the least to find out that men destroyed information that belittled their supposed stature. The destruction of the library in Alexandria was probably the worst act of vandalism in history, and various religions over the years have destroyed much more information than they've created.

Today we are mostly convinced that Islam is the religion of a backward desert-cave people. Truth is, the Ottoman empire is still the largest and wealthiest and most influential of all the empires in history.

Surprising how easily a little propaganda can turn things around in the minds of the many.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

As far as I can see, the only texts that have been intentionally edited in the Old Testament, are Genesis 2 and 3. God always presented Herself as gender neutral defaulting to He. It was always the intention of God to remain anonymous. So it was not a little propaganda that did the job.

Adam, Abraham and Mohammed never knew that God is a woman and that they were Her husband. I think Jesus and his closest followers were the only people who ever have known this. Probably the texts have been modified for the first time shortly after Mary Magdalene and Jesus died and before they were copied.

[+] -4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I was hearing that on TripleJ radio in OZ the other day. The concept is actually more acceptable than the patriarchal one. Run with it.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

I have to run with it.

Four years ago I made a startling discovery. Natural Money can create a financial system that is more efficient and without crisis. The Natural Financial System will therefore replace the current financial system by competition soon after it comes into existence.

Shortly after this, a woman I have met many years ago, and seemed to be interfering with my life ever since, by making accidents and coincidences happen from time to time that pointed at Her scheming them, appeared to have a message for me. Based on the discovery and the accompanying events I guessed that She is God. Money with a holding fee is a concept from The Bible because money with a holding fee was first introduced when Joseph was viceroy of the Egyptians, while The Bible and The Quran have numerous passages that condemn charging interest on money. The holding fee and a ban on interest are the main components of Natural Money.

The question is: Did God invent Natural Money?

http://www.naturalmoney.org/integration.html

The year 2012 is considered to be the End of Times by many people because of the Mayan prophecy so I guessed that I had some time to prepare.

After the events, I have worked on a set of solutions for some major issues we have. After nearly four years of work I came up with the following:

Based on the evidence at my disposal (most of which is on the website), this seems to be the Second Coming. I could be wrong, but I have investigated every possible angle for the last four years, and I could not find anything of substance that proved me wrong. So I have to run with it as hard as I can because there seems to be no other choice.

I came to the conclusion that I am not fit to become a spiritual or a political leader because of lack of ambition. I also do not have the right qualities for that. I never did anything in management or politics because I am well aware of my limitations as a person. Furthermore I am a rational thinking person and not spiritual minded. However I should be able to coach the process of change towards a better world. Therefore I have worked on those plans to help people govern themselves in harmony with nature and others.

I guess that, because this universe is a virtual reality, much of what you have read in The Bible is less relevant today. The Bible was written by people with the knowledge of the people living at that time. We have to reevaluate The Bible with the knowledge we have now. Especially, many people give much attention to the Book of Revelation, while it was just a vision of a monk around 180 AD that has much in common with a trip on LSD.

The plans are now near completion (at least the part I could work on without others) and the set of plans is comprehensive (they cover all relevant issues I could think of). So if you really want a Revolution then I guess there is a good chance we can make it happen.

We need to have One Plan where most people can agree on. I think this is possible because nearly everybody here wants to get rid of the oligarchy. We need to have a power that overturn the current system. Natural Money can do that because it is more efficient and it seems that God wants it to happen. But is can only happen if people are willing to rally behind this plan. It seems a Mission Impossible but only the future will tell.

[+] -4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Bedtime for me. I'll look into it tommorrow.

Cheers.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

it's just you

bizarro was last nov/jan

[+] -4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

D'oh. I'm always running late.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13187) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That's alright - to anyone not familiar, this plunge into the surreal cybernetic vision of smoke and mirror must be somewhat unsettling. The jarring juxtaposition between what is real and what is simply chimera, holographic in nature and without substance, must seem quite startling indeed.

It is actually all around us in our daily lives - but we normally tune it out. It comes at us in billboards and televisions all day long, day after day after day; but this constant bombardment of bullshit is tempered by our daily interactions with the things that are real and that do have substance in our daily lives.

Here the weight between that which has substance and that which has none is much much different.

  • Nothing is real, everything is permitted.

Do not be fooled by lies. Some things are, so we can agree . . .

[-] -1 points by derrickhamilton (-56) 1 year ago

There are bizarre users like Proteus. He gets angry when people discuss his ideas on his posting. I thought that's what comments were for... meh...