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Forum Post: Is the Occupy Movement For Individualist Anarchism or Anarcho-Communism?

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 25, 2011, 4:10 p.m. EST by CentristFiasco (60)
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Individualist anarchism refers to several traditions of thought within the anarchist movement that emphasize the individual and his or her will over external determinants such as groups, society, traditions, and ideological systems.

Anarcho-Communist advocate Anarcho-Communism which is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, markets, money, private property, and capitalism in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".



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[-] 3 points by Edgewaters (912) 12 years ago

It's a big tent. OWS I don't think is meant to be "anarcho-communist" or officially endorse any particular political ideology. If you don't like what Wall Street is up to, be a part of it: you don't have to subscribe to anything more than that to be part of it. It's not exclusive, we don't need to be checking people's radical credentials at the door and dismissing them for not having the correct socio-political creed. It should be open to anyone and everyone who wants Wall Street reigned in, for maximum participation.

[-] 0 points by CentristFiasco (60) 12 years ago

I'll set something up with a couple of Anarchists to start throwing bombs, smoke bombs.

[-] 3 points by Edgewaters (912) 12 years ago

Oh I see, you're out to discredit OWS, an agent provocateur.

[-] -1 points by CentristFiasco (60) 12 years ago

You still don't get it.

[-] 3 points by Edgewaters (912) 12 years ago

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe if you clap and say "I believe!" three times it'll come true.

[-] 0 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 12 years ago

While you're at, maybe you can blow some of that smoke up your own ass...

[-] 2 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Neither, both are infantile con scams by the oligarchs intended to suck out the energy for positive social change by channeling it into rebel without a clue nonsense.

[-] 2 points by WarmItUp (301) 12 years ago

Uh...no, in my experience talking to people in this forum and out at protests, I have not met any real anarchists. I have met mostly people who enjoy capitalism but would simply like to see it regulated so that corporations can not influence politics. That is the main message I am takin gin from people. I have not heard anyone say anything about anarchy that is having no government. It is not even realistic to waste your time on a concept that has no actual historical example of ever working. It is a fact that people can not peacefully govern themselves let alone figure out how to build interstate roads, run airports and trains in a society with no government. It is delusional, Yes we get that you hate the man, so why not just heavily regulate"the man's" power rather than advocating the destruction of our entire democratic system that has evolved for thousands of years since the days of Athens. Really why are you wasting your time on things that can never come true, your energy would be really appreciated by ows if you could direct it toward helping regulate hedge fund managers and corporate donations to politics.


[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I say we are a movement of self-empowerment, one that will use any and all principles, tools, and organizational structures to achieve our common will, which may be summed as the end of corruption on our political system by corporate interests.

Toward that end even you may become our tool - and if we have performed our task properly, one most willing and able.


[-] 1 points by Rooster8 (49) 12 years ago

Through anarchy will come tyranny. First we need chaos.

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 on "Naked Communism"

  • Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

  • Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


[-] 2 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

Nice quoting of a Bircher from an anti-semite's website. Next time, throw in something about 9/11 or UFOs for a trifecta.

[-] 0 points by Rooster8 (49) 12 years ago

Men do conspire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQQiFW2YDLM&feature=related

According to White House visitor logs, “Stephen Lerner” has visited the White House four times over the past two years

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals" President Obama recommends Sal Alinsky's book "Rules For Radicals" for all colleges and high schools, and Hillary Clinton did her thesis on this book. . I'm sure many organizers here know it well.


Hilliary's political science thesis (1969, Wollosley College): http://nukegingrich.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/hillaryclintonthesis.pdf

[-] 1 points by CentristFiasco (60) 12 years ago

Oh the typewriter days...


[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 12 years ago

Individualist anarchists are also socialists.

[-] 0 points by CentristFiasco (60) 12 years ago

I'm keeping certain secrets about this protests to myself because apparently some of you aren't ready to hear the truth about the intent of this. You don't want to know the outcome of your actions.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 12 years ago

Too much talk of communism (a worse ideology than capitalism) with the OWS protests...I am not sure what OWS really stands for myself...but if I had my own take on it I would hope it would be for truth, justice, improvements regarding morals and ethical conduct (in the financial industry, media and politics), a fair playing field regarding ethnic representation in finance, government, media, etc....Also, something has to be done with school loans and the interest rates....individuals should not be weighed down by 100K loans upon graduation