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Forum Post: ❥❥❥ Is the news section of this site reserved for Micah White? ❥❥❥

Posted 4 years ago on Feb. 11, 2016, 6:26 p.m. EST by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ
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I was wondering, it seems only Micah White writes articles here. Is that because no one else is interested in contributing articles for OWS, or because that aspect of this site is reserved for him?

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[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Every movement is defined by a creed. I had confusion about what the creed of the OWS movement was a long time ago but I found the answer so I no longer mind living in jartocracy. Although I have major problem with the arbitrariness of privileges, I have no problem with privileges per se.

All well functioning systems have guiding/serving leaders or principles widely adhered to by their members. You have the privilege to post your article so let us take a look at it, as I second turbocharger.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

❥❥❥ Again, I have no article to publish at this time. If I did, I would post it.

I'm talking about the principle. It does bother me that OWS is not more communal than it is. It does bother me that it is a jartocracy. The reason is because it was not advertised as such. It was advertised as a group for the 99% by the 99% without leaders or demands.

So, what can you tell me about he creed of OWS? What do you think it is? How did that change your mind and make you into a willing jartocrat?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

"Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants."

Jart and the progressives had a fallout after she had discovered her cancer so there was a coup essentially. We seemed to have followed Egypt's model somewhat. I think that Egypt has still fared better than Libya (IS is there now) in the Arab Spring. It is truly sad that the revolution there seemed to have gone back to repression but I guess that peoples cannot be free until they crave freedom enough that they would "pay any price, bear any burden" for their own freedom.

I may have a different view of freedom than others because submission to an authority does not necessarily mean subservience or non-freedom to me. I know from experience that freedom requires a framework for support and that may be an authority to enforce rules.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

So, you support a closed site?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

You said that this was a jartocracy so "In jart we trust." She probably has a better view of the issues involved in opening or closing the site. I care about the integrity of the process but I shall accept whatever comes out.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

So you are a willing citizen of the jartocracy. Whatever she deems best you follow without question.

Doesn't that go against the basic principles of Occupy? Those you listed above about a leaderless resistance and so on?

Surely, it's OK to ask that the forum be opened up again is it not?

A forum for communication, for the 99%, wouldn't make more sense that it was open to anyone wanting to participate?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

If being leaderless led to nowhere, having a leader makes more sense. There were many ground occupations worldwide but that led to evictions in the U.S.

We should be firm on purpose but pliant in approach. We want to kill the greed and corruption. If having an open forum works, so be it, but we have already tried that and it led to nowhere. Now we are trying a closed forum. We had tried to work outside of the political process and it led to nowhere, so Bernie Sanders seems to be working within the political process. Leaderless, resistance, etc. are all discardable if need be, whatever works, be.

As you seem to have a scientific background, you may know that restoring enough degrees of freedom often yields a viable solution.

[-] 1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

I agree that having a leader has many advantages.

The problem is, our leader, Jart, no longer believe in OWS and the idea of it in general. She has become a technocrat. She believes the future lies in companies like Apple and Google. She wanted Google's CEO to become world leader or something.

I'm not saying that's bad, or debating her new political view, I'm just saying it has nothing to do with OWS.

Don't you think we need a leader who believes in OWS principles?

It seems to me that being a jartocrat is almost anti-OWS at this point.

Do you believe in social programs, the 99% sticking together, etc... or do you believe Googel's CEO should have carte blanche and become our leader?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Our leader is Liberty. Jart was akin to the maid of Lorraine, in service to our leader. She did not become a technocrat - she was a technocrat - and she was great. What really counts is what being a technocrat serves.

As for a Google CEO becoming a world leader, Sergey Brin seemed to have the proper value because he was willing to pull Google's business out of mainland China proper, in response to China's hacking dissidents' email accounts. Coming as a refugee to the U.S. may have shaped his values.

Apple and Alphabet are standing up for Liberty so maybe jart is correct about our future. We have already seen the awful messes our security state had led to since 9/11/2001!

I think that Liberty believes in OWS principles but not necessarily the same means. We were tired, we were poor, and we huddled in masses yearning to breathe free, but we realize as Americans, native-born or naturalized -- that in spirit -- we had always been born free!

"Never forget that you are born American, conceived in Liberty."

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Who is running this site? Liberty?

Should we realign OWS values with Jart's technocracy and White's 'no more protesting'?

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[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Feel free to post your article and lets take a look at it.

[-] 1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

I personally don't have an article to submit at this time, but I know that some other users here to write articles from time to time. I read a few from DKAtoday for example.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Yet more faux declarations of concern about the forum but really ONLY procedural nit picking, due to an actual desire to stir shit up and mess - with the actual intent of getting this, already compromised forum closed at this important time for OWS and The US 99%!!! You TrashyManque', are exposed as a blatant Concern Troll here!! There is NOTHING stopping you from making 99% relevant Forum-Posts - is there?!

cave - anguis in herba ...

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Closed? I don't think it should be closed.

I think the signup page should be opened up again so that whoever wishes to participate can. Don't you?

I also think anyone should be allowed to submit articles to appear in the news section of this site, not only Micah white. Don't you?

Call it concerned trolling or whatever else you want, but I do stand by those ideas. And you should too.

Those ideas, I believe are extremely relevant to the 100%, not only the 99%. I think this forum should be for any human who wishes to use it and contribute. Not only the lucky ones who were able to create an account before the signup page was closed.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

I know for a stone cold fact - that you, along with members of the Likud/DNC faction - now mostly awol; exhorted, dared and suggested to jart that this forum be closed, so there's no point squirming now!!! Of Course I think that the Sign-Up page should be open, u idiot!! I do call you a ''Concern Troll'', as defined in that link above BUT I'm uninterested in an uber-utopian, hyper-idealistic 100% - as the 0.01%/1% (et les wannabes - comme toi) had their fkn chance - and indeed, are still having it as we speak!

Of course while we are talking about was was and what should be here on this forum .. we are NOT talking about what IS & OUGHT TO BE - out there in the world, we The 99% inhabit ... and perhaps that's exactly your idea and intent, huh?! As you know already - I don't trust you!! Or your motives!!! However, just in case you're interested, voila fyi:

e tenebris - lux?




EDIT: Your hysteria below speaks volumes - but I refuse to bump your horse-shit, ''Concern Troll'' drivel! You are like a fart in a lift, in that your stink'll seek to - Occupy All The Space that it can access!! Also it is NO accident whatsoever imo - that you have returned to this forum at this important time for OWS' message and for The US & by extension Global 99% ... who you have always viewed with a mixture of disdain, disgust & derision!!! You better go back to Pierre Fournier in Montreal & tell him u fkt up again.

Happy Valentine's Day, 2016 ...

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

"I know for a stone cold fact - that you, along with members of the Likud/DNC faction - now mostly awol, exhorted, dared and suggested that this forum be closed to jart"

Deflection. Trying to soil present ideas with ideas pulled from the past (which are not in context with these new ones)

"Or course while we are talking about was was and what should be here on this forum .. we are NOT talking about what IS & OUGHT TO BE "

An either/or deflection. You don't want to open up the forum, so you deflect.

Nothing stops us from talking about the problems of this forum, as well as talking about Bernie Sanders, etc... and all the other stuff going on in politics.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

❥❥❥ I believe you are scared.

Scared of losing importance, and having to read the ideas of others.

This is why you always refused my ideas of a bridge to the ground, and of opening up this forum to a wide audience.

And now you refuse the idea of opening up the news section to people other than Micah White.

You have always kneeled before the jartocracy. It's a small price to pay for you. Yes, you are under Jart and Micah, and even Dan, but there are only a few of us, so you still have enough room to flatter your ego.

If the forum were truly opened, truly for the 99%, then it would be flooded with tons of people and you would become a mere dot in a grandiose painting.

This is something your ego could never live with...

And thus, you will always fight against the idea of opening up the signup page again, and fight against the idea of allowing people like Dan to post his news stories beside those of Mr. White.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

I did suggest the forum should be shut down in the past. But why? Because it did not represent the 99%. It represented an elected few. It represented whatever Dan wanted as a mod, and whatever a few writers wanted to write in the name of Occupy. It was Jart and Dan's forum, not an Occupy forum.

My belief has always been that this forum should be that of OWS and that this could be done by following OWS principles. I've talked about how this forum could be more anarchic in nature. With mods than change, etc... Voted and chosen by the community. How everyone should have a chance to submit articles for the news section, etc...

On many occasions I talked about creating a bridge to the ground. Attracting more users, etc... Making this forum the central point of all OWS activity. The online hub, that also was the main link to the ground.

You seem to forget that.

That would be the best solution in my opinion.

You don't want that?

Iv'e never understood why you fell on your knees in front of the jartocracy and never once fought for a more open and free forum.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

❥❥❥ You're going to give Nevada an orgasm if you keep repeating that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

Wait, you want to give Nevada an orgasm?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

❥❥❥ It is. In the Alex Jones style. You and Nevada are lovers. Lovers of the night. Like an Igor, he is your little conspiracy theorist. A small dwarf. You keep him locked up in a glass bowl during the day, at night he acquiesces your darkest whims. You are inseparable. He never tries to escape, because he loves the attention you provide. Shooz is jealous! He takes photos of little cats and flowers in an attempt to forget his lost love...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Micah White was a co-founder of OWS and he obviously has BIG ideas with wide applicability. I feel that it is simply more appropriate for us "children" to play in our backyard "sandbox" and sling "cow pies" at each other here rather than "defacing" the front page of the movement. If people really want to join the fun of "cow pie" fights, it is just a click away to consent to come to the backyard. We know consent and privacy, too.

[-] 1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 4 years ago

You think if one of us here wrote an article for this site it would be defacing it? You don't think anyone here is capable of writing proper articles for OWS?

I beg to differ. Even people I don't much care for, like DKAtoday, writes articles which have quality in my opinion. I don't necessarily agree with what he has to say (sometimes yes, sometimes no), but I read some of his stuff on other sites and it was quite readable. I don't see why someone like that could not have the right to write just as much as someone like Micah White. If this is the site for the movement, and the movement is for everyone who wishes to be part of it, then it seems legitimate for me that someone would be allowed to participate. No?