Forum Post: Is OWS slowly going down the road of the FLQ?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 3:45 a.m. EST by Thrasymaque
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We know AdBusters started OWS. That is a socialist organization from Canada whose main tactic is called jamming. However, it seems the protests are turning more and more towards anarchy as civil disobedience is becoming the word of the day. At the moment, they are calling for non-violence, but at the same time they have started creating roadblocks and the tension seems to be mounting.
Is it a far fetched idea to believe a portion of OWS protesters, the ones who are attracted by true anarchy, could go down the road of the FLQ? After all, the FLQ did blow up the Montreal Stock Exchange, and performed many acts of violence towards what it perceived to be the 1% at the time. I would be very surprised if the anarchists within OWS were not aware of the FLQ and I assume it is one of their models.
t is a lot of detail, a lot of knowledge of espionage, some tips... best I can do, done, is read all the material linked on the expose here http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/content/operation-occupy-communications-center I dont spell out depopulation on the site, as I do not want a riot....Kalle also knows who I am and I enjoy wavin it in their face They are winding the planet down on us as best they can...and started wars now wherever they can...the riot crew is to tip the people over when they naturally start getting upset...before they react..the anarchists get riots down and drag down the cities.... Starvation and Disease They do not really want a system people can get organized on, so I started the Direct Democracy site a year ago....as a media site...then launched the Voting and Organizational tools as soon as they surfaced. Doing what we can to co-opt their efforts early
I like how you raise a question to raise new thoughts and ideas, however, the subtext is telling us what to think.
I do not know if that is your intention, but how I read this statement is...
It's a fact that a foreign socialist organization is controlling this movement. They want us to be disobediant. The likely outcome is that if you are a part of this movement, you will be supporting terrorism against people that do not deserve it.
You seem to be good with your words and great at structuring your ideas in a way that will be adopted with minimal arguement. However, there are a few of us on here that can read underneath what others would consider the underneath.
Maybe it's simply your thought patterns. You believe these thoughts, so you want others to believe them as well... so it came out in your post. Or... You are actively manipulating this Movement in a negative way. Either way... I do appreciate how well put together your thoughts are.
I am only raising a supposition. I have no idea if the anarchists inside OWS are planning similar methods to what the FLQ used. I do not think most OWS protesters would agree with this. However, I have read that a portion of OWS are anarchists. How many, I'm not sure. Perhaps 10-20%~ Perhaps they also want to use non-violent tactics. I'm simply wondering if a portion of them are modeling their efforts after the FLQ. I'm certain they know about that movement.
To clarify, I do not believe the vast majority of OWS supporters would want this. However, I do believe OWS will eventually fracture into some sub groups one of which will be the anarchists. The group in Occupy Montreal has a lot of anarchists amongst their ranks. I read some of their GA minutes yesterday, and I recognized a few names from the past.
There will be a Malcom X in the group. I do agree.
This is still new. People are lazy still and do not want to be a part of something big. The motivated people are usually the negative thinkers. And so at the beginning, it will look as though things are going bad. This is not the case.
In this information age, we have become accustomed to instant results. Something like this hasn't happened in 2 generations. Alot has changed. Patience will see this Movement through. And waiting is a very uncomfortable but necessary thing we all need to aknowledge.
It certainly is an interesting movement to follow. Hopefully, a better government will come out of it without too many people getting hurt along the way.
If you look at it as a game (which it is not, but for conversations sake...) it's like football. You know there are going to be injuries. You know you can only do it for so long before your body gives out on you. If you are smart, you will use your skills to get through school and hope you do not get injured, all the while you are hoping to get scouted into the NFL in order to become wealthy. Serious injury and sometimes death is the risk you take by choosing to play.
If there is injury, it just means that the Movement is being taken(played) seriously.
If we compare it to football, OWS's play is like an all-out blitz. It's not organized like what we usually see in politics, but instead is aimed at taking a chance on chaos.
That's because those of us who would gladly lead are not in the position to. If I had the exact amount of money to survive and send everything else to allow my son to be supported while I take how ever long it takes to create an organized force, I would leave this very instant.
I'm not strong and unselfish enough to abandon my son and not care about if the people I leave him with can afford to give him the things a child deserves. So I hope soon, for the sake of this movement and for the sake of this country, and the sake of this world, that there is someone like me out there that does have the ability to do it. Until then... I wait for a significant amount of money in order to do what needs to be done.
The reason OWS is being unorganized and without clear goals and demands is that they want to rally as many troops as they can. It's easy to gather people around a common complaint, but when you start proposing solutions some will disagree and leave the movement. The more detailed your platform becomes, the more supporters you alienate. Politicians use the same tactic before elections. They never provide too much details on their platforms and ideas, preferring to keep everything as vague as possible. They will only say enough to differentiate themselves form the other candidates. "We want to help education!" - How? Nobody knows.
We need a leader. But not just one. We need a group of at least 7 who sit and debate with eachother. Add upon ideas and improve them. Most of OWS are followers.... which is good to a degree.
I agree OWS needs to be lead, but the more they clarify their position, the more support they will lose. It's inevitable. They'll probably keep growing as much as possible, and only decide to formulate a clear agenda once their numbers have remained static for awhile. As soon as this happens, the group will fracture into sub-groups depending who prefers what solutions. If a large portion of people disagree with a motion passed at a GA, they won't just sit around and shrug their shoulders, they'll start a new group on their own. Then we are back to normal politics.
If the numbers dropped 50% and the ones that stayed were motivated and willing to discuss and create plans and see them through... then even only half of those remaining would be a force worth joining. Right now it is the "cool thing to do". Much like the 60's-70's. The subgroups will not matter. It will just put numbers behind the group of us that are actually doing something. Seeing as how we will all be linked together in the media regardless.
We'll certainly have to wait and see how it all plays out. Regardless of what happens, it will be interesting.