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Forum Post: Is OWS fine with War?

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 26, 2011, 4:59 p.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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It really amazes me how little anger there is on here with all the killing hte USA is doing globally.

"Killing fine, but dont fuck with my money!"

There is nothing worse in this world than war.



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[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

Warfare is the MOST PROFITABLE activity on earth for the very few at the expense of the many.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

This was a quote from Herman Goering and it has never been more applicable than in our day.

Whenever politicians, corporate leaders, religious leaders, or cultural leaders speak of some dark enemy that is jeopardizing our way of life, 99.99999% of the time they are manipulating you.

This message is meant primarily for the rightwing, libertarian, neoconservative, evangelical or catholic, nutcases out there. You are being led by the noses to your own destruction. Your leaders want more power and the simplest way for them to get it is to convince you that you are under assault.

Learn the lessons of history.....earlier this time.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

True. Like Libya, we are setting up a new currency for them.

Did the same thing in Iraq and Afghan.


[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

Disgusting and frightening . . . It seems to be a law of nature that what goes around comes around . . . and we are beginning to see - the evil inflicted upon ourselves - the NDAA which may or (hopefully) will not become law - we will know tomorrow.

The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.” – Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed 1928). Reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at that time.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

http://www.the99declaration.org/ List of Grievances item#11

Recalling all military personnel at all non-essential bases including but not limited to Europe, South Korea, Japan, Australia and Cuba and refocusing national defense goals to address threats posed by the geopolitics of the 21st century, including terrorism and limiting the large scale deployment of military forces to those instances where Congressional approval has been granted. New laws must be enacted to counter the Military Industrial Complex’s mission of perpetual war for profit. The United States has engaged in war after war only to later to discover that the pretexts relied upon to enter these wars were false or exaggerated to generate profits for the Military Industrial Complex and other corporations and individuals. The annual savings created by updating our military posture and ending perpetual war will be applied to the social programs outlined herein to improve the quality of life for human beings rather than facilitating and assisting corporations engaged in mass-murder for profits distributed to the top 1% of wealth owners.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 12 years ago

War has three heads, soldiers, weapons, and patriotism. Cut off any one of the three and it will die.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

More wars to keep the dollar afloat? Crazy?

Not really. We are living it right now.

[-] 1 points by LSN45 (535) 12 years ago

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.

We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!

For the sake of our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.

For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

Just like how we cut emissions, we need to cut military spending. I also urge everyone to look up how much military equipment is made by prison slave labor IN THE USA.

[-] 1 points by treehouse (11) 12 years ago

The us population has been conditioned for the past 50 years- since the advent of the television. All of them - all of them-- all of them.
Live for nothing other then to acquire things , the economic downturn has made it impossible for them to get what they have been conditioned to believe will gain them happiness. They have been brainwashed into fearing and hating other humans- presently they couldn't care less about the killing the us does overseas- In the Arab spring the people fought for freedom, and were willing to give their lives for the freedom of a neighbor- In the usa one would kill their neighbor for a pair of Jordan sneakers. --

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Bingo. You hit the nail right on the freakin head.

[-] 1 points by UncomonSense (386) 12 years ago

False premise.

"There is nothing worse in this world than war."

Except war for money.

Ever hear of the military industrial complex? War for oil? Money drives war. It's the most profitable business there is.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Every war is for money.

[-] 1 points by Mattholck (51) 12 years ago

WW2 established control of international trade by the US and Briton

[-] 1 points by Mattholck (51) 12 years ago

unfair money policy must be backed by force

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Obama has groups of frustrated, young liberal people literally sleeping in the streets in every single city in this country.

His campaingers are licking their chops at this. They are going to have masses of people to help him start new wars for another 4 years, because the masses refuse to blame him.

This kind of ignorance is why this country is going to crash regardless of what we all do.

[-] 1 points by Mattholck (51) 12 years ago

one politician is much like another

they would not receive funding otherwise

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Yes. Allowing the corrupted power brokers to preselect your upcoming choices is probably the dumbest thing we do as a nation.

Well, one of them..