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Forum Post: Is Obama All Talk When It Comes To Equal Rights For LGBT?

Posted 6 years ago on May 9, 2012, 8:19 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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The news is giving Obama a lot of screen time over his awesome comments when it comes to gay marriage rights.

My only question is... why isn't he doing anything about it?

All these comments from Obama after he recently refused to sign an executive order for equal rights for LGBT in the workplace?

Actions speak louder than words. When Obama introduces legislation for marriage rights in congress or tries to pass an executive order... I'll believe he is more than just talk when it comes to LGBT rights.

I do believe Obama supports equal rights for gay marriage... but he's not doing what needs to be done to further progress, which is doing something. He's the president, not a candidate. He has the power to Do things. He's past the speeches phase. Signing that executive order for equal rights in the workplace would have been a great step... but he refused. Why do you think he chose not to sign it? Do you believe his bullshit justification?

This link has 2 awesome stories from J-Stew with the Daily Show on the executive order -




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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

OMG - you would think the press was talking about the announcement of WWIII. Fucking dumb-ass distraction. Concentrate on the criminals - WallStreet and the corrupt in government. Solve ( deal with ) these two issues and the rest will be easy to follow-up on after the criminals are dealt with - properly - and the people have reclaimed their government.

Occupy the Justice Department. Occupy the court system.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 6 years ago

Just when you thought is was impossible to frustrate everyone at the same time, here it is, proof that you can frustrate all of the people all of the time.

Seems to me that there have been some things done, but we have short attention spans, which is both good and bad I find as I get older.

[-] 2 points by markpaddles (143) from Denver, CO 6 years ago

When has Obama not been all talk? Oh, that's right... when he promised to expand the war in Afghanistan.

[-] 0 points by ICantEvenSpellShoes (6) 6 years ago

Ha ha! Or when he promised to expand the wiretapping program!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago


[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 6 years ago

It's an election year. As you say, judge his actions, not his words. Everything else is hyperbole.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

On the nose!

[-] 1 points by torusngamble (9) 6 years ago

Forget the Rigged Elections.

Forget Obama and Romney.

Forget the rest of the Democratic and Republican corporate puppets.

Forget the feel-good mental masturbation of Third Parties.

Our system is broken and cannot be repaired from within.


[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 6 years ago

Nothing he actually can do about it as President. He cannot unilaterally force states to adopt gay marriage, in fact, he can't even unilaterally pass a federal law (not that congress would have the right to alter state marriage laws). In effect, this still needs to happen at the state level. What congress could do is change the full faith and credit exemption to gay marriage (written in federal law), but congress would have to initiate this, pass it, and present it to the President. Even assuming that happens, it would probably still wind up at the Supreme Court. He started the ball rolling by speaking out, and we should applaud his courage for doing so (particularly during an election season), but there's still a long way to go on this issue.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

Could he sign the executive order that I referred to? Yes. Did he? No.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Obama refused to act when it comes to equal rights for LGBT in the workplace. Instead he talked. You can applaud that... I was going to applaud when I thought he was going to sign it. But then he didn't. Watch J Stew's video so you fully understand the situation that occurred. The story is very well done. And I applaud John Stewart for the story he did on his show as a news anchor comedian.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 6 years ago

Yeah, wonder why he didn't sign that ... and then came out in favor of gay marriage? Very perplexing, but executive orders are limited documents in terms of their legal force (although that in itself is not really an explanation)?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

He came out and made the comments he did at the time he did to cover his tracks for not signing the order. My guess is that some of his corporate backers are bigots and didn't want Obama to sign the order. Because honestly, if Obama does truly support LGBT equality, he would have signed the order. There is no reasonable explanation to not sign the executive order, if he truly believes in LGBT rights, other than corruption and the 1% pulling the puppet strings. If you have a better guess, I'd like to hear it. Because honestly this is one issue I always liked Obama for. But now I am even more disillusioned by him than when he appointed Monsanto to the FDA.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 6 years ago

I don't know ... honestly, that sounds pretty speculative. I do have a hard time buying into the whole "evolving view" thing. I mean, the guy is a constitutional lawyer, has been for a long time, and a good one, and how do views evolve so radically from one week to the next anyway? So yeah, it at least sounds like political expediency at its finest. That said, no one is perfect, I'm glad he expressed support for what should be a simple matter of equal protection, I'm still not happy with the fact that the best I can say for many democrats, is they're a lesser of two evils (of course I probably wouldn't be a supporter of OWS if I thought Washington could cure all our problems, but I digress) :)

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

It is speculative. Like I said I was shocked when Obama refused the executive order. Equality was the one thing I thought Obama was always gonna be a slam dunk on. Especially after the repeal of don't ask don't tell. I can't figure out why he wouldn't sign it.... So what I said previously is my guess.




[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 6 years ago

who cares? does it create jobs or fix the economy?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

It could possibly create jobs. If Obama signed the executive order, then bigots couldn't fire people for being who they are. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated and Obama refusing to sign the order was a huge mistake and slap in the face for people working for equality.

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 6 years ago

that not really 'creating' jobs is it?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

So you don't think equal rights is important?

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 6 years ago

its not that big an issue, marriage is just a paper contract. you can make a contract stating the same legal agreements as marriage and you have the same thing. i dont think its anything the federal government needs to address. i know its mostly so they can be on insurance, get retirement benefits and otherwise have claim to each others money and possessions which you can do by signing a contract. as far as the promise of lifetime commitment that piece of paper is meaningless anyway so not that important in and of itself.