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Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 1:35 p.m. EST by Infowar (295)
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My friend told me all MSM "Mainstream Media" lies is it true?

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[-] 7 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (18068) 2 years ago

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[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Keep talking if you will, you maybe on to something.

[+] -4 points by theaveng (602) 2 years ago

70% of the stories (according to numerous studies covering 2008, 9, and 10) are positive towards Obama/democrats on ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS 6 or 7 o'clock news. Only 40% positive for McCain/republicans.

So yeah the other media, at least on TV, is just as bad as FOX. In fact I consider MicrosoftNBC to be the left-leaning equivalent of FOX. They've been caught multiple times editing videos (such as showing a black gunowner as a white man).

[-] 3 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

70% + 40% = 110%.

[-] -3 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 2 years ago

obama is half white and half black but you democrats call him black. 110% is a democrat tool.

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

"you" democrats

Spoken like a true idiot.

[-] -3 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 2 years ago

"I" will bet "YOU" think "HE" is black (110%). I can use quotes too. They are included on my keyboard and not just "yours"

[-] 4 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

That's even more ignorant than your previous post.

You do not know what I think, or what (if any) political affiliation I may have. By this point you might just be able to figure out (will it help if I type slowly?) that I am not an ignorant racist jackass like you.

Time to go back to the trailer, you're missing a Dukes of Hazzard rerun.

[-] -2 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 2 years ago

(SLOW DOWN, you are typing too fast) You own a super computer? Go back to the trailer? (That would mean i'm outside and cant be typing) You dont know my trailer affiliation. You think a lot of "yourself" (RACIST?) So now you think the liberal democrat race card should be used by "you" I was expecting a race card or homophobe or some other tool you have in your back pocket to pull out.

[-] 0 points by FOXraisedHitler (36) from New York City, NY 2 years ago

He is not "black", he originates from the Kenyan lords, members of the globalist elites

[-] 1 points by FOXraisedHitler (36) from New York City, NY 2 years ago

It's counter-partisan media.

FOX is propaganda.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 2 years ago

Maybe he was 70% white and only 40% black.

[-] 5 points by professorzed (308) from Hamilton, ON 2 years ago

I had a friend from the Soviet Union. I asked him what life was like under Communism, he said it was practically the same as under Capitalism, but instead of money getting you power, it was your position.

I asked him about the media, if it was censored. He said "Well, all newspapers, movie companies, TV stations were owned by the Communist party. So of course, they wouldn't allow you to say anything negative about Communism through the media outlets they own."

The same applies to Capitalism. All the media outlets are owned by the 1%. So of course, they aren't going to print, publish, or show anything which works against their interest.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

Not all. There are quite a few Nonprofit news agencies you can go to for nonpartisan news. Propublica, Real Clear Politics, End The LIe, FactCheck, and some others. Each of these sites takes great pains to state nothing but facts and leave out hype sensation, hyperbole and agenda.

[-] 4 points by Payyourtaxesrichasses (19) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The U.S. media landscape is dominated by massive corporations that, through a history of mergers and acquisitions, have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these giant companies are vertically integrated, controlling everything from initial production to final distribution. Here is the list of the big 6:

General Electric (NBC)

The Walt Disney Company (ABC)

News Corporation (FauX)

Time Warner

Viacom

CBS Corporation

Do some research and you will see that ALL main stream media comes from these big 6. They are trying to make up your minds for you!!!

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Because corporations vertically and horizontally integrated, democracies should fallow suit. is that not how bridge is played? it's how I play euchre.

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Do you know how the Royals play dominoes?

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

probably better than Robert Mcnamara played dominoes during Vietnam? but no I don't. how do they play dominoes?

[-] 1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Balkanization it's is the process of playing sides off one and other.

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I agree keep on preaching.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (18068) 2 years ago

Of course Wholly Corporate Owned "ABCNNBCBS / FUX SNEWzzz" Lie ! Because They Are In The Business of "Manufacturing Consent" for Unjust, Empire abroad & Austerity at home !!

Re. "Manufacturing Consent" :

a) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy_of_the_Mass_Media ;

b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Noam_Chomsky_and_the_Media &

c) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730 .

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by Apercentage (81) 2 years ago

All media is biased.

[-] 2 points by Satyr000 (86) 2 years ago

FOX news is just a never ending stream of bile. They just happen to be worse then all the other news outlets. When it comes right down to it every major news outlet in the states are all the same. They full of nothing but lies and propaganda. Both sides use news outlets to push there lies and propaganda. Just look at some of the crap they play on CNN.

Canada did the right thing when they outlawed FOX News style "news" under there Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Act.

[-] 2 points by powertothepeople (1264) 2 years ago

There is NO "left" equivalent to Fox. NONE.

Fox is in a class by itself.

Repeat:

FOX IS IN A SLANT-BIAS-INACCURACY-HATEMONGERING class of its own.

Ask people from the UK about the Murdoch empire media outlets over there, too. Same playbook.

Yes, we can talk about the mainstream media bias and then we can talk about Fox news.

They don't belong in the same conversation.

Fox is in a class by itself.

The only network that went to court to protect the right to lie in news (not opinion) broadcasts.

The only network who hacked the phones of crime victims, celebrities and other targets to get stories.

A league of their own, for sure.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Fox News is the haven for the %1.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

So i take it you don't call reporting theory's as fact lying?

[-] 2 points by Faithntruth (997) 2 years ago

The important thing is not the left/right bias of shows, but that all shows tend to ignore or censor certain news. For example, after 9/11 there were pictures and video of the muslim people in the US being rounded up into detention in several of our large cities. Try to find even one picture now. I dare you. I was writing a report for school and finally found one photo on a BBC site of a detainee being released. I know it happened, and know a girl who was held for three months. Little rewrite of history through editing out the unsavory bits.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

You've hit the nail so directly on the head that you've driven it in all the way with one blow of the hammer. I've been saying the same thing for years -- as a former journalist who quit the business for that exact reason, but no one wants to believe me. They're all bound up in the left/right bias thing that the propagandists spread.

[-] 2 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Just watch Al Jazeera. They just tell the news, and don't input much opinion.

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 2 years ago

That's it. Tell a bunch of Americans to start relying on Al Jazeera for their newsworthy needs.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

If you just want to hear international news, Al Jazeera english is excellent.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

I agree -- I do like Al Jazeera. Most of my interntational news comes from a variety of "offshore" sources: BBC, Deutsche Welle, Al Jazeera, World Radio Network. The mainstream media here is completely commercial and has nothing to do with news.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

BBC and CBC I find are good. CBC I check for tech and science news all the time. But they are very liberal bias and will go after Conservative governments very easily (which is ok if you are liberal). They are state run though, so their job is to present news and not give opinions. American news is all about entertaining the viewer, and not so much just present the stories. I think that's why people find they lie, because they'll tell a small new story and present an hour of opinion. They over analyse and try to make something big out of nothing.

Try ap.org as well, they're just submitting stories to a central publisher basically. RT is OK, but I find they're even more bias against America than the US networks are bias for certain parties.

I like to listen to Alex Jones and info wars too. I don't agree with him 100%, but he brings up some unusual stories sometimes.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

You're exactly right about the entertainment value. As a Media Relations Specialist, I always have to think of how entertianing I can make an event -- even though I work for nonprofits and what we do is important, at least locally, in helping people in need, ther has to be something there that will tug and the heart or make people sigh, or some other kind of viceral quality. It's not enough to feed people, you have to carry them off the street, half-starved, and have them rise up to be the next President before it means anything to the media.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Yes, but that is the American culture. That's how I've seen America recently. They make a big deal out of little things, and try to appear greater than they are. Lots of flash, no content.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

Absolutely! "We" want to be entertained and emotionally stimulted at every turn. Look at how many people simply cannot do without their smart phones and mp3s and that sort of thing. There was a poll done not long ago -- a few months -- and I wish I could find it. It asked what things people could not do without in their lives. I think the #3 item was a smartphone.

We have lost the ability to delineate between fact and fiction and the need for each to remain distinctly separate. Rather than go out and do things ourselves, we sit in front of a television or computer and either watch someone else do those things -- while we doubtlessly critique their performance -- or we sit in front of a coputer pretending to do them and, after a while, we think we actually have done them.

We have become a superficial society and that is why I have hope with the OWS Movement -- that it will change us back into an activist society.

[-] 2 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

It's good cop bad cop lying without journalism. A lunatic FOX makes others appear reasonable to the info elites.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Just go to any MSM site and look up republican poll results then look at the actual results of the polls. Notice they all continuously lie about Ron.Paul? This is just an example they lie about way more then just Ron.Paul.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Mr P IS a liar.

So, what's the problem?

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

So the MSM lies but it is ok because you believe Ron.Paul to be a liar? Also just a note you have no proof of Ron.Paul lying, he is also widely known as the most honest person in politics.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

That's just what his press releases say.

You asked for proof of FLAKESnews lies.

I provided them. You changed the subject.

As to Mr. P?

If he's a libertarian? Why doesn't he run as one?

Hear him lie just to explain that away.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I never asked for proof FOX lies, i know they lie. I am / was saying they all lie.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Somehow, I just don't see so many Reuters lies web sites.

Nor any for UPI.

FLAKESnews is more like a conspiracy outlet.

More like the stuff at the grocery checkout.

[-] 1 points by Remigration2Europe (13) from New York City, NY 2 years ago

Compare FOX with Reuters or the BBC.

[-] 1 points by Bystander (41) from Sissonville, WV 2 years ago

I think most if not all media at least "spins" by mixing lies with truth or fudging facts to serve an agenda. Sometimes they outright lie, but that usually isn't too hard to spot. One big problem is how they compartmentalize information so that there is a disconnect between causes and effects which keeps people in the dark.

We live in an age of information where truth is ironically still a rare and precious commodity.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Truth only comes to those who except it.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 2 years ago

"My friend told me all MSM "Mainstream Media" lies is it true?"

Isn't it all mainstream media?

Even the ones that talk about the mainstream media as though they are anything different. Fox comes to mind

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 2 years ago

No. Most people who say this do not understand what constitutes a lie.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

yes, the oligarchs on both sides don't have morals or ethics and wouldn't be able to tell you a truth if their lives depended on it. The difference in systems terms between republicans and democrats is that republicans are evil liars and democrats might not be evil.

Its a propaganda war, between a false duality team sides divide and conquer dumble down bread and circuses. The left and the right are two sides of one giant con scam on the public.

The people at the top are in it on both sides to further the one percent, as the one percent, for the one percent, they just have different ideas about how to handle the affairs of the cattle and caste system that involves the rest of us.

The republicans want to treat us like sheeple, fleece us, kill us, eat us for lunch... the dems want to keep us as house pets...one end is far more sinister than the other but both "sides" are in one game to keep the proles from being the equals of the elite caste. http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Corporate_Oligarchy

http://www.oligarchyusa.com/

http://www.brianrogel.com/the-100-percent-solution-for-the-99-percent

http://may15internationalorganization.blogspot.com/2011/10/ows-revolution-reasons-capitalism.html

http://theprogressiveplaybook.com/2011/09/occupywallstreet-an-american-tahrir/

http://www.istockanalyst.com/finance/story/5390832/some-fascinating-stats-about-our-corporate-oligarchy

http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-oligarchy/

http://last-lost-empire.com/blog/?tag=global-corporate-oligarchy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ght22PnCXy0

OWS Threadz Corporate Oligarchy

[-] 1 points by WorkerAntLyn (254) 2 years ago

They don't outright lie. What they do, however, is far worse. They offer opinions and speculations interspersed with facts. Because the public doesn't pay close enough attention, they end up accepting these speculations and opinions as facts and repeating them. They also have the fault of being obsessed with marketing the news to the public. They chase the next "sensational story" instead of doing their job. They transform a story into something more sensational by choosing words that purposefully alter people's perceptions.

I can offer two examples of this. One was several years ago during a mining accident here in the US. I was watching the news with an older friend who had worked many years in "printed media" (Newspaper for you and me. ;) ) Nobody knew at the time how many miners were trapped in the mine. But the newscaster, after admitting they didn't know, suddenly started speculating how many it might be. There might be such and such a number still trapped. My friend was horrified and immediately pointed out what she had done. (Something at the time I hadn't caught) She had speculated on a number with no facts to back it up, and people would believe her because she was reporting the news. In fact, only a few minutes later we switched channels - and the reporter on that channel was suddenly suggesting the same number as the first reporter. The number would turn out to be wrong, but nobody ever called the reporters on what they had done. My friend, though, was outraged. He called it irresponsible reporting. You don't speculate or give opinions when delivering the news, he said. You give the facts. And he was and is right. That is what you're supposed to do on the news.

As for the use of words - you should go watch some of Occupy LA videos and you'll see a good example. In one of their videos, after one of their initial clashes with police, they caught a reporter on film talking to the camera and saying that protesters had thrown bamboo SPEARS at the cops. When called on what she'd done, she defended herself by saying "I was told they had pointed ends." There's a big difference between bamboo POLES and bamboo SPEARS. But which told the most "sensational" story? The spears, of course. She purposefully chose the words that would get the biggest reaction from the public watching. It was not only poor reporting, it was exactly what my friend had said during the mining accident - irresponsible reporting.

[-] 1 points by lizikrus (6) 2 years ago

US news is terrible. I can watch news from other countries because I'm bilingual. US news is very dramatic and opinion oriented instead of facts oriented. FOX is just the most extreme and obvious one.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

I applaud you. I agree wholeheartedly, except, you don't ahve to be multilingual. Most major news agencies have English divisions and they give the same news in the same way as their native-panguage divisions.

[-] 1 points by lizikrus (6) 2 years ago

I wasn't aware of that. But either way, looking at other countries news can give one perspective especially if comparing the same news. Euronews is interesting. They present mostly facts and have a section where no comments are made just footage of the news. People can make their own opinions based on the facts presented.

[-] 1 points by deGrene (199) 2 years ago

Yeah -- that's why I watch it. They consider their viewers intelligent enough to decide for themselves.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

It can really help though.

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 2 years ago

The only one that gets close to the truth is pbs.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar .....Faux News is the only outlet that has a policy to lie and run misinformation.....The other outlets my be biased but try to be as fair as their corporate masters will allow them to be....Always get your information from more than one source.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Sure it's just Fox MSNBC would never lie. lol

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...MSNBC doses not have a policy to misrepresent the news and a track record of lying, like fox news doses. Or do you have some facts to back up your mouth. Mine are "Liberal viewer/fox news lies" on U-tube.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I hate Rick Perry but here is another inciting race war.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9B_y2NiHxM

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...I see no lies in that video...

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Saying he was speaking about Obama in a racial matter whe infact he was not. Now you are the liar!!!!

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

infowar...again its a matter of prospective, not lying...Rick Perry had a hunting lodge which was named Nigger head...painted on a rock at the entrance....Please refute my points on Faux News, I've seen what you can come up with.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

No it is not it is lying, you are a liar!!!... "A rose by any other name" is that it chuck?

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar..if that's your best shot its not good enough, Refute my points on Faux News.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I am saying they all do it i agree about Fox news lying.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...they may all do, but fox news has a policy to misinform that's the critical difference.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

took me all of 5 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVsYZAWD03A just look you will find many not even just about Ron.Paul.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...You take the top prize for finding odd ball sites... Reality Report.org is a conspiracy theory site and a doomsday organization.....Could you please use something reliable and has actual video not opinion.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

So because a certain site reports a MSNBC clip it is a lie? You are now the liar do you think just because you lie no one will check for themselves? How does it feel to lie for the status quot?

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...I guess you have nothing....good bye.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

You obviously don't understand saying that a conspiracy site reported it does not make it untrue.......

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

infowar...The site had an opinion, there is a difference.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

They exclude Ron.Pauls name from polls all the time and say others won when he did. Are you saying its an opinion who raised the most money? That would be called fact as you can prove who had the most.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar...Look at the video again, he was like 4th and they wanted it published. he's a looser and is most likely low on the radar.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

You are wrong but he was second but whatever, you are also a liar so i don't expect you to tell the truth.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

infowar...Give it up it was a looser's position in the rankings, Big deal.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

It is continuous and is especially noticeable with the MSM censoring Ron.Paul. To say it is not happening makes you dishonest... POINT BLANK

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

Infowar... The news organizations are in the business of making money along with giving news worthy accounts to the public. RP is a marginal candidate and will not be a factor, so why waste time on the looser.....Should they have an hour special on RP just because your one of 5,000 people that support him....Get real.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

He is right behind Newt at #2 in the GOP polls. I know you don't like him but there is a thing called reality, care to join it?

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

All media (which mostly is left) has a slant but there are more leftists sitting on their asses on internet message boards bitching about FOX news so that's why you hear more about FOX bias.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Ya but Fox is on a whole other level... they don't just present an alternate view, they act like a propaganda machine.

CNN isn't left, its pretty moderate. You get irate witch hunters like Nancy Grace, and people like Anderson Cooper who are pretty balanced, if maybe slightly to the left.

If you want to see what left slanted media looks like, check out Russia Today; oddly enough, in spite of its unapologetic left-wing stance, that I think RT is more accurate than both of the above... and the only one which has any real interest in engaging important issues rather than waiting for a handout from the official spokesperson.

[-] 1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

RT is the best IMO

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

FOX news OPINION shows are bad and the actual new reporting is just the same as all the other stations. If people can't separate the opinions shows from the news presentation then they are idiots and I can't help them.

RT is Russian propaganda plain and simple getting popular at a time when the US is so divided and they can do the most damage. If you are here actually praising them then they are doing a bang up job with that.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

I think you're very wrong about that. They have a lot of high profile, very intellectual guests, who say very intelligent things; frankly it is a breath of fresh air, as is the lack of commercials... and corresponding lack of corporate influence.

Think what you want, but you might want to actually take your own advice watch the "News" segment, as opposed to opinion pieces... the stories they report on are a hell of a lot more relevant than Herman Cain's sex scandal and Conrad Murray's propafol blues. And the guests they find are actually more than talking heads, they are intelligent and willing to have a real discussion!

Even when you look at the opinion shows like Capital Account, I've never in my life seen such an intelligent commentary, by a financial professional, on the banking crisis... and I also learned why Goldman Sachs is called a big vampire squid.

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

I've watched a lot of RT because they show some things that other stations won't and it's clear the "direction" they take with their reporting of the news is to destabilize the US. Their continued support of radical elements of the OWS is blatant proof of that.

Look if you want to be "brainwash proof" don't watch any news presented to you by a news source period. I'm sorry but there is no news presenter out there that has a staff that has all decided to put their beliefs on the side and just report the news for the sake of reporting. Hell no. They all realize the power they wield and wield it well. Watch youtube videos, go out there and talk to people like I have at Zuccotti, look at history through your own eyes rather than someone else's eyes and you'll have the truth.

I dare you to go to someone who lived or comes from the country Georgia and tell them RT is non biased. RT were cheerleaders for the Russians as Russian tanks rolled in and invaded and occupied a region of Georgia for less of a reason then we did for Iraq. The best part is NO ONE DID ANYTHING and RT made the Russians out to be heroes.

Disconnect yourself man, before it's too late. I know it's cooky and makes you seem unique to the ladies/men that you watch something like RT and it's like totally awesome to drop in a conversation to make you seem so "liberated" as a person but you actually aren't and are on par with the worst of the FOX news/MSNBC drones.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Re: Georgia... sounds a lot like what I see on the MSM about Americans bringing freedom to the eastern countries (with large oil reserves).

I dunno about cooky, but you're right it is liberating watching a news channel that doesn't suck. Why in gods name does CNN have to show Conrad Murray 24/7 when there are more relevant issues going on in the world? Then you have Fox telling you that pepper spray is just a tasty 'ol food product after a bunch of students get blasted in the face with it...

Journalists in the US line up like welfare recipients to get the official spin from some White House or Pentagon Spin Doctor, stuff that probably wouldn't hold up to a cursory fact checking is accepted as gospel, and then some talking head who is a former aid to political party whoever gives a few soundbites while frothing at the mouth, then they get back to the real news... like what woman's station was the Cain Train actually rolling into.

I appreciate the concern, but In all honesty I could care less about their true agenda, if they have one, you just simply don't see intelligent engaging guests like that on American programming. period.

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

Wow. Your dismissal of the Russian action is, well America does it so it's totally cool for Russia to invade and occupy land for no reason. At least for our crummy wars we had some support. They had none. You logic is so childish it's mind numbing.

On top of that you hate the agenda and brainwashing of FOX News but you admit you'd be ok with RT doing that to you. Wow. People watching our exchange this is why OWS lost. You guys let nuts like this in.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Never said it was ok, don't even know enough on the situation to comment fairly upon it. I am quite sure the "coalition of the willing" was a pretty big joke in most countries though.

I don't find RT to be brainwashing anyway, they might be a propaganda machine for Russian news but their coverage of the USA seems pretty spot on, unlike Fox.

Anyway, I'm more than happy to switch from RT back to the MSM... but not when the MSM's idea of news is a Washington Spin Doctor, and they avoid the important issues like they are the bubonic plague. The MSM could get a sense of humor while they are at it, Anderson Cooper has his moments... but its rare I find myself laughing out loud at a news program.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

"FOX news OPINION shows are bad and the actual new reporting is just the same as all the other stations. If people can't separate the opinions shows from the news presentation then they are idiots and I can't help them."

The idiot part is a descriptor of viewers.

The propaganda in the "news" portions are subtle, but they are there, and very effective.

We always were better at it than the Russians.

More subliminal, more seductive.

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

Wait I thought the FOX news propaganda was done by the Saudis.....or was it the corporations......or now it's the US government? I'm confused?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Murdock and Ailes.

[-] 1 points by JohnMarsden (47) 2 years ago

Ok cool we hate Murdoch and Ailes this week, wonder who it will be next.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

I've hated them since I learned what they do.

I will hate them until they are rendered ineffectual and ineffective.

FLAKESnews is for people that don't understand what news and journalism are.

Propaganda is more effective that way.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Just like the rest of the MSM, right?

[-] 0 points by dantes443322 (148) 2 years ago

What do you consider MSNBC? It's a full on arm of the Liberal agenda.

[-] 2 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Rarely ever watch it, but ya MSNBC is pretty bad. Honestly, I usually only watch BBC or RT 'cause I like the international perspective. CNN once and a while, like when they don't have 24/7 coverage of Conrad Murray.

RT is my favorite partly 'cause its hilarious and partly because it somehow manages to find important stories which should be in the MSM but are ignored or downplayed.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 2 years ago

BBC used to be good, but for a few years now, they mostly edit out or ignore most things that US news outlets do.

There is a difference between news and opinion shows, but people dont recognize it. A news show will report this event happened in that place and this many people were affected. An opinion show presents the history of an event and has people weigh in from a political perspective on what it means to affected groups or the public in general. These are the shows that are all over fox and msnbc, which take opposite perspectives to look at an event, which is why they seem heavily biased to a viewer who comes from the opposite perspective. However, they can both be correct, because they do represent what an event does mean to the group that each is slanted toward. For example, the pipeline is under review..that is news. Fox might talk about the need for developing new sources of oil, jobs that are connected to the pipeline, and the negative impact on revenue. Msnbc would focus on the history of spills, poor regulation of existing piplines, the negative environmental impact of the pollution from tar sand oil and extracting it, and the over estimation of jobs for the pipeline. All the aspects are real and true, but the editing to appeal to specific groups leaves out part of the story for each group of listeners, but allows each group to feel "right" about their own opinion.

For me, msnbc tends to present a slightly more balanced perspective, and does not treat guests from the opposing side with hostility most of the time. (I have seen chris matthews go after guests, but since he named the show "Hardball" I guess it should be expected. And he has slammed left leaning guests, too.)

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Fair enuff, oddly I agree with the slant on MSNBC, but its a bit too noticeable for my liking.. I just don't like to feel I'm being sold a viewpoint, even if I agree with it. Ya BBC ain't what it used to be either... but at least they have some neat stories from other countries like Africa most Americans outlets wouldn't bother with.

For some reason with RT I don't feel like I'm being sold something, and what other outlet will post stories thanking Newt Gingrich for saving internet porn? I would have never guessed.

Add that to high-def commercial free live streaming on my laptop, and I must say its rating and influence must have shot up considerably since OWS started... because I'd never even heard of them before, but probably will be tuning into the MSM a lot less frequently from now on.

"Depending on who you ask, however, Cain has also been a strong advocate of groping staffers in the back of his limo." the day I see that in the MSM I might be back. [ http://rt.com/usa/news/herman-cain-campaign-women-923/ ]

[-] -1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

CNN isn't left? it depends where the center is. Sure - the are more moderate than MSNBC - but they are super extreme left. The country has been sliding to the left for 80 years. Hence the center is not what it used to be. FOX seems extreme in today's world because the center is not where it use to be.

[-] 1 points by powertothepeople (1264) 2 years ago

What you are saying is the exact opposite of what the truth is.

"super extreme left" - you need to really find the actual definition of political "left" and then look up "super" and "extreme" for a reality check.

You are either seriously deluded or a propaganda tool.

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

is today's society more liberal or less liberal than 50 years ago?

[-] 0 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

For American news CNN doesn't seem to be trying to push an agenda on people, that's why I think ts center. Their personalities are a reasonable mix as well, some a bit to the left, some a bit to the right, but with the exception of Nancy Grace they seem not to show it as much as other stations.

Sure it has, people are better educated and have better access to information; I guess if you view the center as a fixed point 80 years ago it might be considered left wing...

[-] 0 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

yes - they are probably the most "center" of them all. It's just the the center isn't were it use to be. The center is way left from say 50 years ago.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 2 years ago

http://hypervocal.com/politics/2011/reagan-the-rino-how-far-right-has-the-right-shifted/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0731/America-s-big-shift-right

During the liberal heyday of the 1930s and '40s, income inequality actually narrowed, and then remained relatively stable throughout the '50s and '60s. It wasn't until the '70s that it began widening, launching what liberal economist Paul Krugman has famously called "the Great Divergence." In 1976, the richest 1 percent of Americans took home 9 percent of the nation's total income; today, they are taking home 24 percent.

Mr. Enns and Mr. Kelly don't know exactly why lower-income voters tend to grow more fiscally conservative in response to inequality, but they speculate that one factor may be the media. The widening gap since the 1970s has been largely due to massive gains among the wealthy – and media narratives during this time probably emphasized stories of bootstrap "individualism."

In contrast, the decrease in inequality during the decades prior to the '70s was driven by income gains among the poor and may have generated news stories emphasizing the government's role in education and job creation. "This could explain why declining inequality up to the 1970s pushed public opinion in a liberal direction," they write – and why rising inequality in recent decades has shifted voters further to the right.

OWS is turning it around though, and you folks are worried. Which is strange, because you're probably one of those whose ideology conflicts with your self-interest.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Nobody lies like FLAKESnews.

Except maybe Alex Jones, but he runs a conspiracy site.

[-] 0 points by dantes443322 (148) 2 years ago

You could probably post tons of examples of Fox lies. Can you please post some examples?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

If you really need examples, then you are in the wrong forum.

They are legion.

[-] 1 points by dantes443322 (148) 2 years ago

So, you can't post a couple of them then? Geeze, arguments here are so easy when you ask someone to back up their assertions.

Just post a couple if 'they are legion.'

Pretty please.

You fucking walking echo chamber.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

I've been doing this for over 2 months and you folks just keep repeating yourselves. I don't bother saving every link to provide evidence for you.

Let me ask you a question.

Why did FLAKESnews go to court to prove it's legal for them to lie?

Why do you think Glenn Beck hates media matters?

[-] 1 points by dantes443322 (148) 2 years ago

If you've been doing it for months surely you can come up with some off the top of your head. I don't need the links. Just examples please. You spent more time on that post when it would have been easier to throw some examples up.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Pssst, you don't want to admit you are a Media Matters troll Soros would be sad.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

At least that's what Glenn says.

Must be those evil commie Muppets, Soros is using to take over the World.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Establishment tool above. ^

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Also i can't stand Glen Beck but thanks for the tarded assumptions.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

So you say it is just FOX? How you could lump Alex Jones in with fox is astounding but it shows you are a coward. The truth is scary huh lil boy?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

That's not what I said.

Sad attempts at insults?

Trying to create a conspiracy about me?

Get a job, son.

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Is the option to get a job or occupywallst?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

It's your "choice", pick one, or both.

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Why because you say so?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

OK, then just get a life.

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

"Those who live in glass houses...."

[-] 0 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Brick here.

Sorry yours is glass.

Go look for some lizard people. There' always Bill O'Rielly.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Digressed, sorry bye. Maybe you can find someone on xbox to talk to mindlessly.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

I don't own one.

Don't spend much time at prisonplanet either.

I've been married for 35+ years and have a daughter in university.

Even once voted for Mr. P.

You?

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Was it not you that said i am Alex Jones, i thought you knew who i was?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

Just going by your handle, son.

Perhaps you need one not affiliated with prisonplanet.

It kind of paints you with an MO.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Why because you like to use shortcuts to thinking would it help you listen if i called my self ChairmanMeow.

[-] 1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I am actually a computer chat bot written by Thomas Jefferson don't tell anyone.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

I am a doctor, lawyer , butcher, the mailman, the kid down the street. I am a person of moral and a person that has done wrong but after finding the way i see clearly. I am you and you are me. Who am i, what am i, i am me and who are you?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17842) 2 years ago

You're the one using the shortcuts.

It would help if you provided some experience.

[-] 0 points by Lalo (1) 2 years ago

why do you occupiers fear Truth and hate facts?

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Are you asking me the poster? I am not an occupier.

[-] 0 points by FRED123456 (0) 2 years ago

Dear occupy people.

Go Home!

You are practicing your free speech. I Get it.
You are upset with the way things are and YOU want to change things for the better for the good of our society and our country. I Get it.

Peacefully assemble, peacefully protest, at the end of the day, go home. When tomorrow comes assemble, peacefully protest and try to change things that YOU feel would change things for the better for the good of our society and our country. When tomorrow is over, go home, then come back the next morning. and repeat the process day after day if you like.

I am appalled at your method of protest. It is not a camp ground. You are taking over areas intended for public use that other people can not use these areas. Police resources are taken away that 911 calls are not able to be answered in a timely fashion. The area that is being used by YOU as a campground is being damaged and will take money to restore to proper conditions.

Would your method of protest be acceptable if the TEA PARTY used it? How about PRO-LIFE groups? GAY-RIGHTS? These groups also want to change things THEY feel are for the good of our society and our country. I do not agree with all of these groups and the viewpoints they represent, I do find most of their methods of protest and expression of free speech as peaceful and civil minded.

Go home. Just go home.

Jim Harper

Fleetwood, PA

[-] 0 points by FRED123456 (0) 2 years ago

Dear occupy people.

Go Home!

You are practicing your free speech. I Get it.
You are upset with the way things are and YOU want to change things for the better for the good of our society and our country. I Get it.

Peacefully assemble, peacefully protest, at the end of the day, go home. When tomorrow comes assemble, peacefully protest and try to change things that YOU feel would change things for the better for the good of our society and our country. When tomorrow is over, go home, then come back the next morning. and repeat the process day after day if you like.

I am appalled at your method of protest. It is not a camp ground. You are taking over areas intended for public use that other people can not use these areas. Police resources are taken away that 911 calls are not able to be answered in a timely fashion. The area that is being used by YOU as a campground is being damaged and will take money to restore to proper conditions.

Would your method of protest be acceptable if the TEA PARTY used it? How about PRO-LIFE groups? GAY-RIGHTS? These groups also want to change things THEY feel are for the good of our society and our country. I do not agree with all of these groups and the viewpoints they represent, I do find most of their methods of protest and expression of free speech as peaceful and civil minded.

Go home. Just go home.

Jim Harper

Fleetwood, PA

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[-] 0 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

Alex Jones lies very often also. He does so for money and hits on his web sites. Y2K and twenty minutes with the president are just two examples ;)

[-] 1 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Y2K he got a little wound up but that happens to non teleprompted humans also he was just reporting news story's emerging. 20 questions for the president was great especially how people thought CS really talked to Obama raised much awareness. Anyway with a 95% accuracy Alex Jones destroys the MSM.

[-] 0 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

It was great for hits on Alex's infowars web site and ad revenue. Then after all that money comes in he still has the nerve to set up money bombs for himself so he can milk the stupid for more money. The funny part is people like you fall for it hook line and sinker. Modern day snake oil salesmen...oh wait that fat turd has a health food scam going also. SMH!!!

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

You are a moron, better not stop listening to the ROBBER BARRON and international criminal George Soros.

[-] 1 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

I point out facts yet I receive more stupid far right talking via Beck, Alex Jones and Ron Lawlites. Grow up, wake up and turn off Alex Jones.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

What is your MediaMatters obsession with Glen Beck, are you in love with him? There was this girl that used to always talk about me with everyone saying they sound like me or talk like me even look like me. I thought she hated me always comparing me with everyone, now me and her have been together for over a year. Point of the story maybe you really admire Glen Beck!?!?!?

[-] 1 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

Ron Lawl is just shy of the lead in Iowa less than two months before the Republican presidential caucuses, and has risen to second place in New Hampshire. But even as the GOP keeps searching for an alternative to front-runner Mitt Romney, just about no one in politics thinks it will be the 76-year-old congressman from Texas.

He doesn't seem to either.

When RealClearPolitics asked Paul Wednesday morning, after a speech sponsored by the Cato Institute, if he actually wanted to be president, he shrugged and said, "Sure."

Asked by RCP later in the day, as he was leaving a health care-related event in the Rayburn Building in Washington, why he wanted to be president, Paul responded, "I think that's a silly question."

Ron Lawl & Alex Jones & Glenn Beck in it for the money ;)

But be sure to buy your When Fascism goes to sleep it looks under the bed for Ron Lawl T Shirt at Prison Planet before it's too late!!!

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

lol I think that's a silly post just like the question why do you want to be president. Do you write for the Onion?

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 2 years ago

I would say all, and I wouldn't use the word lies. I would say censors to cater to their bosses. Even smaller newspapers do it. You can't bash your bosses interests.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 2 years ago

Would it be lying if they said someone else won a political straw poll then actually did? Ron.Paul for example.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 2 years ago

Y'mean like, o, say, George Bush? He lost his last election, and everyone knows that, but when the ballots came up short, the "red" press dropped it faster than the "blue" or "gray". When people in Florida started making a ruckus about how they got gipped out of a vote, or how they voted one way and the machines went the other, the "red" press said nothing about it. They are red because their bosses are, they won't report on something that their owners won't like.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

necropulis...Also the voting machines are own by two brothers, both republican supporters....There are only two types of voting machines and they own both company's.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 2 years ago

I didn't know there was only one vending company that did the machines. How is that?? This is why politics are so shady. There is no way to promise a fair chance to the voters.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Dirty Laundry ~ Don Henley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8icJnavt2So

I make my living off the evening news

Just give me something, something I can use

People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry

Well, I could've been an actor, but I wound up here

I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear

Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em all around

We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5

She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye

It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?

You know the boys in the newsroom got a running bet

Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry

You don't really need to find out what's going on

You don't really want to know just how far it's gone

Just leave well enough alone, keep your dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're stiff, kick 'em all around

Dirty little secrets, dirty little lies

We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie

Love to cut you down to size, we love dirty laundry

We can do the innuendo, we can dance and sing

When it's said and done, we haven't told you a thing

We all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry