Forum Post: Is Global Warming an issue for occupy?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 3:24 p.m. EST by demarquis
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I'm wondering if the 99 Movement should direct it's attention to environmental sustainability/global warming issues. I think it's relevant- the very same institutions and individuals who impose the needs of the 1 on the 99 are also funding a disinformation campaign to discredit global warming, and ultimately this will have the same outcome- most of us will suffer so that a very few can protect their profits. Anyone want to weigh in on this?
Directly, no. Getting a voice and stopping large corporations from running the country will allow climate changer to be addressed at some point. Most things point back to greed and climate change is no exception.
Sustainability is a very important issue. One that isn't being addressed good enough in the current system.
for some
Issue for everyone...
For those of you who are looking for stronger arguments to use with skeptics and deniers:
Here (http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php) is an article from Skeptic Science. It lists the most popular skeptical arguments and refutes them with scientific findings.
And here (http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/28/330109/science-of-global-warming-impacts/) is a much more detailed and academic description of the latest findings regarding the probably long term outcomes of not doing anything about CO 2 emissions.
As for the relationship between the OWS movement and global warming, I note that "Protecting the Planet" is point number 7 on the "99PercentDeclaration"
Global warming is and should be an issue for everyone that lives on this planet.
Today there is only one Occupy issue: how to get OWS to the next level before it experiences an epic fail. Time to end the occupation and prepare to occupy the congress. There you will have the power to address issues without the trolls. Here's a roadmap: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
First, it's not global warming, it's climate change. That way , no matter what happens, it's covered. Do you think that making energy much more expensive, in the name of Climate Change, is going to help the economy, jobs and the well-being on the working class?
Well since we are about 50 years from running out of oil I don't think we have a choice! We have to start looking to other sources of energy that are sustainable.
Flat out untrue. We are not running out of oil. Lies perpetrated by those that would make money out of so called green energy.
You have just touched on another issue that few are aware of. Peak oil will likely reach a crisis point very soon.
Wrong again.
We are in red zone here, and people are not getting it! The oil companies are going to run the Earth's oil supply into the ground and get tax breaks for it:( The planet in at 7 billion people and we are running out of resources quick! It's not a matter of jobs or working class well-being, it's a fact that we are going to have to deal with NOW! We will have to tap into resources that may be expensive at first, but we don't have the luxury of time anymore.
I agree, I think it is already too late to avoid a lot suffering, but the longer we wait, the worse it will be.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-investment-kills-jobs.htm
"The claim that 2.2 conventional jobs are destroyed for every new job created in the alternative energy industry is based on a study which relies on incorrect numbers, cherrypicked dates, faulty theory, flawed methodology, and is disproven by real-world examples. In reality, renewable energy investment and development tends to create more jobs than fossil fuel energy."
Also: http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm
"There have long been claims that some unspecificed "they" has "changed the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change'". In reality, the two terms mean different things, have both been used for decades, and the only individual to have specifically advocated changing the name in this fashion is a global warming 'skeptic'."
"First, it's not global warming, it's climate change." That way you can blame anything on "climate change" The earths climate has been changing since the earths creation, it changes every year.
You are absolutely correct. It also changes in cycles of approximately 100,000 years. We are very near the end of the current temperate period. There is much more to fear from the coming ice age.
Given that 51% of greenhouse gases are a result of industrial meat production, I wonder how many anti-global warming proponents are contributing to the problem by their diet and lifestyle.
Occupy the cow pastures!
One of the big problems is fat farting Americans who generate a lot of methane in the atmosphere.
Global warming is fake, your ideas and beliefs might as well be fake, sounds like a good issue to me!
I think the first thing they should focus on is getting rid of the head lice.
Global warming is a religion. If want to join the church of Al Gore...he will gladly accept donations...You freaking CHUMPS
It's actually science. You're just running around this forum like a chicken with it's head cut-off dropping nonsense one liners. I guess the only thing we have to blame is the government for supplying you with your education. You are a walking example of why this government needs to change. I'm not even going to argue with you for fear that i might become less intelligent.
Have to agree. The climate change deniers' agenda is to keep stealing. Easiest way is to pollute and destroy. Oil for war. Oil for money. Money for money and they have central air conditioning so there is no global climate problem, right? As long as it's someone else' child that suffers. Who are we kidding. We know that those people would their own kids. For profit.
Exactly!
Not until Spring :)
Do you have any evidence of our atmosphere warming over the last 5 years? It is now being called "climate change" because of the lack of evidence of warming. With that being said these climate change people blame everything on "climate change" the idea is nothing more than an unproven theory. Also if you look at those who are pushing this "climate change' movement you will see the 1% are behind it and the Carbon tax that is soon to come.
How exactly do we suffer?...
Only so far as it can be used as cover to implement the Marxist agenda:
from each according to his ability, to each according to his NEED