Forum Post: I'm being followed
Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 25, 2012, 6:38 p.m. EST by seedypoet
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This is going to sound like I'm a conspiracy nut, but I'm pretty sure I was followed by some guy on my way home from Zuccotti after S17. And I am positive it happened again this morning, on my to work. They haven't followed me all the way home (I live in Jersey), but they have followed me to the Path Train.
Now, I don't owe child support, I'm not married with a suspicious wife, and I have no warrants, so what the fuck is going on? I did some filming that day, and saw a few cops filming me as well. And I know that some Occupiers have had the police show up on their doorsteps. Has anyone else who's been to a few marches had some creepy people tailing them?
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YES YES, you're being followed now just walk up to the dude and say, "You got a problem with me?"
Was being followed. Work related, so I can't go into it; but needless to say, it wasn't because of Occupy. Just a coincidence. Like I mentioned earlier, they must have followed me from work to Zuccotti. A real conspiracy, but lawyers, not police.
No. You are not being followed. Nobody cares what you do. I see the same people on the subway all the time. They even get off at the same station. It means nothing.
“People crave a conspiracy for the same reason they crave a God. They want big answers to their little problems.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/steven-rambam-on-police-surveying-phones-2012-9 http://privacysos.org/node/825 http://privacysos.org/node/822 could be this. they get on your phones just by passing by them
http://whosarat.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=163286
There is also the possibility that this has to do with work. We get crooked lawyers trying to sue us a lot. They could be trying to get info on employees and it's just a coincidence that I noticed during the 17th because my awareness was heightened. I did leave from work to go to Zuccotti.
Or, it could all just be in my head and they were just typical New York weirdos. Just wanted to put it out there in case any of this clicked with other people.
Of course you're being followed. A million people have been hired for national security since 9/11 and the budget is undisclosed. OWS is an easy target. What do you expect?
I thinking that maybe because they couldn't follow me home, they decided to follow me to work. Wouldn't take much to spot me at the path station near my house. They can guess that I'd be heading to work between 7 and 8 like everybody else. They were both old guys who were dressed kind of weird. Not exactly mugger types. And I have a hard time thinking even a mugger would pick me as a target. I'm pretty strange myself and I'm always looking over my shoulder (born in the Bronx). Not your typical mugging victim. Especially for old muggers.
The second guy was moving too fast to get a picture. The first guy had me thinking I was just paranoid.
Here's what I wrote on facebook when I got home after s17 (for some strange reason, I can't read any of the posts I made between the 16th and 18th. I had to get this from my main account using an friend's account) I included my babbling to put it in context:
Home from the Occupation. The park is still Occupied. Police have refrained from coming into the park and forcing an altercation, at least on a large scale. There were some minor scuffles. There was this one really aggressive cop, a five-foot woman, who decided to shove some people with her club. We ran the cops out of the park (well, they walked quickly). When she tried to come back into the park, we yelled her out. One of the white shirts told her to stay out of the park after that. I assume they were told not to provoke an incident.
One disappointment today: I lost my Baby Occupier. She got grabbed by police before I could get to her. She was released by the police a few hours later, but did not return to the park. I'm guessing jail did not agree with her. They either come back angry, or go home scared. Not what you want to happen to your first apprentice.
Does this sound weird to you: I'm pretty sure I was being watched by undercovers today in Zuccotti. Twice, two people I've never seen at Occupy before tried to lure me out of the park. When I finally left, this older "cop looking" guy wearing a pink shirt walked behind me all the way to the Path train. At first, it looked like he went in another direction. But then, a few minutes later, he comes into the same train car as me and sits right next to me. He seemed really interested in what I was texting on my phone, so I put it away. I'm thinking I'm just being paranoid at this point. The train gets to the first stop, and he gets up as if he is leaving, but then sits back down. Then it gets to my stop and he gets off. At this point, I'm watching him pretty close, because I am paranoid. He seems to notice and goes in a different direction than me. Just to be sure, I sat down a bench down the street to see if anyone was following me. A few second later, this same guy comes back around the corner and goes back down into the Path station.
Did he really want to get off at the first stop and chose wrong, or was he a New York cop who had to turn back because I was now out of his jurisdiction? Other Occupiers who had police show up at their front door have told similar stories.
**This is what happened today:
I am certain I was followed this morning. The second time since the Occupy September 17th Anniversary.
This old man got the path train with me (like before, only black this time, and instead of a loud pink shirt, he had on a loud yellow jacket) and stood very close. He had on cop shoes (or what I like to call cop shoes), which didn't seem to match his outfit. He got my attention because as we we re standing on the train, he seemed really interested in the package I was carrying, a priority mailing box. He kept trying to look down and read the address on the box. I am not kidding. I flipped the box so he couldn't see the address.
When I exited the train at World Trade Center, I stopped at the bench on the platform to put something into the box and seal it. The old man stopped too, even though there was no reason for him to do so. In fact, as all the other people went up the stairs, he stood still until it was just him and me on the platform. When I went upstairs, he went upstairs.
I went up the stairs to the left, he went up the stairs to the right. The stairs to the right are closer to the exit. When I got the top of the stairs, he was crossing my path to the left. He walked away from the exit. Keep in mind that at this point, no one was blocking his path and he didn't seem to be lost.
I walked quickly up the escalator, figuring that a man his age, probably 60, would not be able to follow. He didn't. As I disappeared down the block, I didn't see him anywhere. So, I just chalked it up to me being paranoid again.
I dropped my package off at the post office then left. As I came outside, the old man was strolling around the corner in my direction. I actually stopped and stared at him. He quickly did a u-turn and went down into a subway entrance, IN THE SAME DIRECTION HE JUST CAME FROM!
I started to go after him, but he was moving pretty fast, and I had no idea what I would ask him if I caught him.
I think someone out there is interested in knowing a lot more about me.
"Baby Occupier"? That's just wrong.
Lol. What does it mean? I was wondering about that.
My baby Occupier was this new girl who decided to show up with a camera. This tiny Asian girl who seem to think I knew what I was doing, so she started following me. Unfortunately, when we were being corralled on Broadway, and the police were grabbing people at random, she walked right up to one and took a picture. They scooped her up. I was busy being pressed up against the wall by the crowd.
The problem is it has a paternalistic ring to it. If Baby Occupier was 16 years old, and you are lets say 45 years old, you may have set off alarms.
Don't worry. I pretty sure she was "legal". Besides, setting off alarms and offending the thick-headed are the least of my worries these days.
If she was legal, then why call her a Baby Occupier?
She was brand new and didn't have a clue. Baby as in unschooled. Not baby as in jailbait.
OK. I wonder if the police rattled her and then looked at her photos and saw you in at least one of them and somehow that makes you a person of interest.
Turned out to be someone after the company I work for, not me. Sorry for the needless distress on my part. Well, actually, mine was legitimate, but I didn't have to drag Occupy into the intrigue. However, I totally wouldn't put it past the NYPD to be copying people's photos and video for use against the movement. Anyone notice how a lot of people with cameras rolling are constantly being grabbed? Is it because they don't want to be filmed or it is because they want to see what is on the film?
I feel like I'm reading a book and am interacting with one of the characters in the book. So someone was after the company you work for, but not you....stay tuned for the next cliff hanger chapter.
If something like that should happen again and you choose not to confront the person, while the person is following you,
turn and face them,
then look away from them like you're looking at someone else,
then point to the person like you're pointing them out to someone else,
then immediately continue on your way.
This action will spook the person that's following you. It may not stop the person from following you but it will spook them from that point on even long after they've ceased to follow you.
Lol. We'll alright then. I still say you can never be too paranoid.
It's not nearly as exciting as all that, DebtN. Just a couple of old men (my boss and some crazy lawyer he pissed off) having a playground fight. They did freak out my other co-worker who is Muslim by walking up to him and asking him questions. He thought it was the FBI or Homeland. I told him the FBI usually dresses a lot better.
Unless you are doing something worth watching, they will probably give it up pretty quick, unless it is just in your head in the first place.
Either way, good luck.
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take care of it like a man.
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roof roof
Had a former U.S. military Psyops member stop by one of our protests.
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Well, you do have a very nice camera.
I just want to know what train you're getting on. Relax, bro.
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