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Forum Post: If you’re unemployed it’s not because there isn’t any work

Posted 11 years ago on May 4, 2013, 3:26 p.m. EST by mha (142)
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If you’re unemployed it’s not because there isn’t any work

Just look around: A housing shortage, crime, pollution; we need better schools and parks. Whatever our needs, they all require work. And as long as we have unsatisfied needs, there’s work to be done.

So ask yourself, what kind of world has work but no jobs. It’s a world where work is not related to satisfying our needs, a world where work is only related to satisfying the profit needs of business.

This country was not built by the huge corporations or government bureaucracies. It was built by people who work. And, it is working people who should control the work to be done. Yet, as long as employment is tied to somebody else’s profits, the work won’t get done.

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[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

well said !

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 11 years ago

No profi$ in building up our communities for our people, well no "corporate profits" anyway!

We would all profit form community improvements, however words and their meanings have bee twisted to suit the 1% vampires,. profits are only financial and only when they find their way into the hands of the already wealthy 1%.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23782) 11 years ago

Very nice post.

[-] 2 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 years ago

Well the way I see it is the Baby Boomers are on the cusp of retirement and the rest of the population who can work and are out of work don't want to work.

There are plenty of jobs out there to be had - good paying jobs at that. I was talking with my Cousin who travels.

He stated that one of the companies he deals with is willing to pay $20.00 hr starting pay for machinists - can't find any - no one wants to get their hands dirty.

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 11 years ago

In Clinton times, machinists made $35+ hr

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 11 years ago

That might be a good normal wage rate. Sometimes people in office work don't see the overtime... so the might have slightly higher wage... but it is figured in at lower hours.

The damn resource mangers know all this stuff about benefits & wages.

The Truth: the Human Resources Mangers should speak out about the decline in wages. There should be thousands of whistleblowers in this... but probably it has been gamed. The corporations fire people with years of experience and these people lose benefits of all kinds. it is a spectrum of benefits lost. They lose pensions, they lose retirements. I never got options, but they lose options maybe.

It probably starts to feel icky. You know. Workers getting huge benefits, retirements, pensions, options, stock benefits, Profit Sharing, Trust Accounts Off Shore...

I have to say Clinton ... had a kind of almost clean presidency. He deregulated Banks, but he didn't turn the federal government over to corporations as George & Barak did.

They say all presidents... I mean all politicians have insider trading and special arrangements with brokers to select trades. They select trades to match to accounts. If a trade was great they might assign the trade to a politician. If the trade was bad, they might assign to the bank for a tax write off.

Damn finances are all corrupted.

But, if I am a gutter snipe. No one cares what I say. No one cares if I was tortured or turned in a sex slave in a network.

This is the value of OWS. This is the Value of Workers Rights. This is the value of activism. This is the value of Humanism. This is the value of Human rights.

Obama and Clinton are not bad in the sense of all US Presidents being Wired by different forces.

The Trend is bad.

The Trend is that we are fodder. The trend is that if you don't have a great job... you will be screwed by the system. The corruption works on all your monthly bills. And now Property taxes are going up.

There is a lot of light analysis going on in this forum.

Could be that in Detroit the machinist wage was too high based on benefits.

Could be that all presidents have had the opportunity to close borders to preserve wages & benefits... but Brezinski & Kissinger told all the Neoliberals ... that we need to reduce wages & benefits.

I'm not clear on immigration. People want to get higher wages and better jobs. So, ok, they want US jobs & Us house holds or businesses want to hire them. Latin's only want a better life for the family.

But... trade policy is BS. Politician are BS. US History is BS. US Government is BS. US Culture is BS. US Foreign policy is BS. US Energy policy is BS. Did I miss any thing? I'm sure I did.

[-] 1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 years ago

Well that is the starting wage and I am certain that it will go up if the person does a good job l- if the company can get people to work that is.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

baby boomers want us to be their servants and believe we can all still get good union jobs and work our way to the top of companies - they are delusional because they don't know anything and don't want to know anything - ignorance is bliss until they realize an entire outsourced generation of cashiers and waitstaff won't carry them through their bankrupted retirement on what little of our meager pay goes to ssi - oops guess they should open their eyes and stop voting for idiots and give renovating their kitchens a rest now - your equity is gone for good sorry to be the one to tell you because none of us can afford to buy houses

[-] -3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

The younger generations are dumber than toilet seats. I am a baby boomer and I KNOW Gen X, Y, Z, Millenials are going to have to work like slaves to fund my Social Security, you will be slaves to us baby boomers yet you keep saying no cuts to entitlements and refuse to hear the truth from a Paul Ryan.

This is what you are saying: I WANT you to line me up against a wall and blow my brains out, and instead of using a gun, get a tank or howitzer.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

That is the most ludicrous crap I have ever heard.

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

Any entitlement tied to a COLA and defended by the AARP is going to grow exponentially. When SSI was created there were 12 workers for one retiree, now there are 3 workers to each retiree, soon to be 2.5:1.

The youth of America are screwed, royally, but they voted to be screwed so I cant help them.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 years ago

worried? Lift the cap. Until then, keep your hands of SS.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

End outsourcing today save our future and you won't have keep stocking up on catfood cans and ammo and also people won't need so much help they could work and pay for living expenses once more... hmmm corporations get to downsize, put Americans out of work , then Americans or what few have jobs pay the difference to help fund the destitute refugees of the corporate oligarchy seems fair

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

That would require people DRAMATICALLY changing their buying habits by paying more for American made goods. I think they should but reality says they look for the cheapest.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

I WANT you to line me up against a wall and blow my brains out,

You have not reached that level of dislike yet. But I'm sure you will give it the old college try.

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

Entitlements have to be curbed to allow young people to catch up,but all I see here is create MORE entitlements. You dont want one bullet in the brain, you want to be "Bonnie and Clyded," LOL

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Entitlements must go: ( support the social safety-nets and earned benefits )

Fossil Fuel Subsidies = Axe

Tax loop holes for the wealthy = Axe

Tax loop holes for wealthy Business's = Axe

Tax the off-shored money

Well there is a good start.

ooops - not to forget Tax wallstreet transactions.

Much better.

Tax penalties to off-shored work business's and import tariffs.

Now were making "progress."

[-] 0 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 years ago

I agree with what you say about the younger generation being dumb - but not all are like that - just about 70%.and it's that group who like to place the "blame game" on their parents or the "boomer" generation.

What they haven't been faced with is what the parents of the baby boomers and the baby boomers themselves faced when they were struggling.

This generation doesn't know what it's like to "pick coal" to stay warm. work at a grocery store while in high school to pay for clothes, dental and other things that their parents couldn't afford.

Never saw a "baby boomer" driving a "brad new car" to school to impress their friends when they were growing up.

Never saw a "baby boomer" whine because they didn't have "designer clothing" when they were growing up.

Never saw a "baby boomer" spend hundredths of dollars on toys only to be tossed aside after a few weeks of use when they were growing up.

And I never saw a "baby boomer" shoot someone because they had an argument in school.

The x, y and melinimum generation better get their shit together for it is they who will be in charge of this country 30 years from now. They had better slap the shit out of those in their generation who thnk government is their salvation.

And they had better get a "work ethic" and learn that to become wealthy one has to "earn wealth" and it doesn't happen after 4 years of college.

As I stated 70% of that generation don't have a clue as to what it takes to survive - hell they don't even know how to check the timing on a car or change the brakes - let along get their hands dirty.

I'll be willing to bet that the vast majority who post on thise site don't have a clue when it comes to changing a serpentine belt on a car - they don't even know what a "spark plug" is let alone know where they are located.

No mechanical ability which is required to survive when the going gets rough. Sad, very sad.

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

I used to rebuild my VW engine just to do it. We jerry rigged tools to do certain jobs like lash gears. It was fun. I would lay out the whole engine on my garage floor, in parts. Same with my old Beemer 2002. My buddy would rebuild his Datsun 1600 for fun.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

becoming a machinist involves learning how to be a machinist - the apprentice licensing system in this country is screwed up - big business and the state are once again in bed together to make things harder and more expensive for people to do- it's not that people don't want to get their hands dirty it's that they don't want to pay the same as they would for a degree for a job that with loans to pay back would be mediocre pay also living on an apprentice wage while paying rent and taking classes is difficult baby boomer parents don't like their kids living at home with them - once the field gets flooded too that's that risky business devoting your life to something that could get you screwed in the end with a degree you have more options to branch out into other fields become a machinist and that's pretty much it - your life is dictated to you by the market - sort of like being a secretary (but with better pay and an unemployment season)

[-] 0 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 years ago

Becoming a macinist involves

  1. learning the basic skills
  2. On the job training
  3. Improving ones job skills
  4. Continue to educate ones self in the art of the skill to be mastered.

That doesn't happen in 4 years like most people who go to college think it should.

I'll put any hard working skilled labour individual up against any "college grad" and guess who will come out on top when the "going gets rough".

It sure as hell won't be the "college grad" with limited jobs potential.

Skilled craftsman can adapt themselves to learn other trades if need be and I am not talking about an individual who decided to be a plumber or anyother skilled trade without learning the trade from the ground up.

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

This wasnt very coherent. Can you reframe with sequential thoughts?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

I know sorry it makes sense to me at least - I'm a busy girl in between work, and dinner, and laundry I have like 3 seconds left to post and fight the system- eh - so many thoughts so little time to voice them (that's the way it goes right?) idle hands make great revolutionaries

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 years ago

A machinist is a dying trade. Computers are just so much more accurate than humans. And the advent of 3D printing spells the end of CadCam machining.

There are so few skilled jobs now that a machine cant do better than a human. A CadCam machine can mill out a better, more lifelike, bettern fitting dental crown than a human.

Human labor isnt worth much anymore.

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 11 years ago

the jobs are in the red states.

[-] -2 points by Narley (272) 11 years ago

Yes they are. I’m just flabbergasted that people want and expect all these entitlements and never think about how to pay for them. Example California is drowning in debt, several cities have filed for bankruptcy, and they still won’t reduce entitlements. Texas on the other hand has low taxes and low entitlements. The Texas is one the best , if not the best, in the US.

[-] -2 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 11 years ago

Texas is fabulous. !!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 years ago

Ignorance really is bliss there!!!

In fact, the dumber the better!!

How else does anyone elect the likes of Perry?

Is there a better way to get dumber than this??


I doubt it.

[-] 1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 11 years ago

Debt Suspension rights would go a long way towards not only preventing perpetual debt indenturing, but would actually motivate the government to create useful jobs so people can pay their debts.

[-] 1 points by TroubledMind (10) 11 years ago

Many people want a housing shortage because they can profit from increased rents and the improved resale value of existing homes. Many people can also make money caused by the other problems that you listed (crime, pollution, deficient schools and parks).

If you name a problem this country has then the cause that comes to my mind is: money and politics. The solution to one person's problems (lack of housing) will create problems for some one else (too much housing).


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 years ago

Union Yes!

Form one today