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Forum Post: If you want more memorials to war, you know who to vote for: teapublicans

Posted 10 years ago on May 27, 2013, 9:24 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Republican Lawmakers Use Memorial Day Weekend Sunday Shows
To Push For More War by Matt Wilstein 5:12 pm, May 27th, 2013

Memorial Day is about remembering and honoring the men and women who died while fighting for the United States Armed Services. But for many members of the Republican Party, Memorial Day weekend was about fighting for more U.S. war.
A few days after President Obama delivered his hour-long speech on counterterrorism and national security, conservatives took to the Sunday morning political talk shows to express their profound disappointment with what he had to say. This in itself should not be surprising. It’s hard to imagine what Obama could have said that would have prompted supportive words from former and current Republican lawmakers like Newt Gingrich, Lindsey Graham and Peter King. As it is, the president offered a rather strong defense of his administration’s record on drone strikes, while acknowledging the need to curtail their use in some instances. Obama also addressed his long-held desire to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, while acknowledging the various obstacles that have prevented him from making any progress.

Overall, the president’s speech was hardly a radically liberal vision for the future of U.S. foreign policy. So why did it draw such ire from his Republican opposition? The simple answer is because the words came out of the mouth of Barack Obama. The sad reality for liberals is that you can imagine Mitt Romney (especially the benevolent centrist who showed up for the 2012 Denver debate) giving a very similar speech and moderate Republicans praising it for its sensible outlook.

But there was Newt Gingrich on CNN calling Obama’s speech “stunningly, breathtakingly naive” for his suggestion that at some point the “global war on terror” could come to an end. Unless Gingrich is gearing up for another presidential run, what does he gain from hyping the threat of “radical Islamism” and declaring that the U.S. will never return to the “pre-1941 sense” of peace.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) at least has some political incentive to attack Obama, living in constant fear of getting “primaried” by a more conservative Republican in next year’s midterms. On Fox News Sunday, Graham called Obama “the most tone deaf president I could ever imagine” before unleashing a tirade against the president for suggesting we should be concerned about civilian casualties resulting from our drone strikes overseas.

And, Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who has recently turned against his fellow Republicans when it comes to some domestic issues, took a reliably hard line on the Guantanamo issue on This Week. King accused Obama of “moralizing” and “apologizing for America” by expressing his desire to close the prison there [ like GWB wanted ].

During his Memorial Day speech at Arlington National Cemetery today, President Obama noted that in our modern era, “most Americans are not directly touched by war.” As a consequence, he added, “not all Americans may always see or fully grasp the depths of sacrifice, the profound costs, that are made in our name.” The drone warfare that President George W. Bush began, and Obama has increased, has only exacerbated this problem. Now, it’s not only civilians who are removed from war, but also those who engage in it. While this will mean fewer U.S. casualties, and therefore fewer soldiers to mourn on Memorial Day, it could also mean the expansive, endless war that many Republicans appear to be promoting.

President Obama is not advocating an immediate end to all wars, much to the disappointment of many progressives. But listening to Republicans this Memorial Day weekend, you would think that’s exactly what he is doing. If they really wanted to honor the memory of those who died fighting for this country, they would listen to the exceedingly moderate, reasonable path the president is laying out and stop mindlessly advocating more war.



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[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 10 years ago

I’m a veteran, and I don’t see the need to have combat troops on the ground anywhere in the world right now. If I had my way we would pull the troops out of Afghanistan tomorrow. I mean leave our equipment and supplies on the ground and put our troops on the next plane home. I’d even rent commercial airlines to help so we’d be out of there in a few days. We went into Afghanistan to get Osama Bin Laden; and we eventually got him. At this point there is no reason for the US to be in Afghanistan. We can’t win. The Afghan people aren’t going to convert to Christianly and love us for being there. Past time for us to get out.

Then, after we’re out of Afghanistan, we need to close most of our foreign bases. Unless a military presence fulfill a specific need in protecting America we should close it. Frankly, our troops could better be used along the Mexican border controlling the drug trade.

Also close GITMO tomorrow. If the prisoners really are enemy tourists, then put them in a normal military prison. As for the war on terror, I don’t see it ending anytime soon. Too many terrorist groups won’t settle for less than American blood. So, we will have to maintain strong intelligence ability.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 10 years ago

I agree will almost everything in your post-
BUT he cannot close Gitmo without co-operation from the Rs
he signed an order to close it on his SECOND DAY as President but the Rs would not fund it
because even though bush-mccain-willard all wanted it close,
Rs put Rs & 1% ahead of America
but you knew that

If Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker in 2014, will Gitmo be closed?

[-] -2 points by Timex2 (-11) 10 years ago

Wasn't Pelosi speaker in 2009?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 10 years ago

Fair question-

Dec 2011: Today President Obama signed the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2012.
The bill contains a provision added by Republicans which prohibits the use of any Federal funds to transfer Guantanamo prisoners either to the United States or in some circumstances to foreign countries. On January 22, 2009, President Obama fulfilled one of his campaign promises when he signed an Executive Order directing the closure of the Guantanamo prison facility. Since then the Republicans have blocked every attempt to fund the process of closing it.
At the same time, the conservatives have consistently claimed that the President failed, or some even call it lied, about his promise to close the base.

In his signing statement, the President said in part:

In this bill, the Congress has once again included provisions that would bar the use of appropriated funds for transfers of Guantanamo detainees into the United States (section 8119 of Division A), as well as transfers to the custody or effective control of foreign countries unless specified conditions are met (section 8120 of Division A). These provisions are similar to others found in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. My Administration has repeatedly communicated my objections to these provisions, including my view that they could, under certain circumstances, violate constitutional separation of powers principles. In approving this bill, I reiterate the objections my Administration has raised regarding these provisions, my intent to interpret and apply them in a manner that avoids constitutional conflicts, and the promise that my Administration will continue to work towards their repeal.

I would bet that a 2014 Pelosi House will pass a Gitmo closer & then we will have to worry about Harry's filibuster

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Executive orders to attack Africa but none to close Gitmo.

Shame on you.

"CNN’s Carol Costello on Saturday scolded prominent anti-war activist Medea Benjamin of Code Pink for repeatedly interrupting President Barack Obama during a major national security speech.

“I posted the question on my Facebook page and asked them what they wanted to ask you,” Costello said. “And a lot of them said you were hurting your own cause because, one, you appeared rude to the President of the United States and, two, you just seemed a little, uh, crazy.”

“I think killing innocent people with drones is rude,” Benjamin replied. “I think keeping innocent people in indefinite detention for 11 years is rude. I think not respecting the lives of Muslim people is rude. I think not apologizing to the families of innocent people who are killed is rude. There are a lot of rude things about our policies. Speaking out is actually not rude.”"

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

''Why I Spoke Out at Obama's Foreign Policy Speech'', by Medea Benjamin :

''On topics from Guantánamo to drone strikes, I couldn’t let the president act as if he were some helpless official at the mercy of Congress. There are many things the president could and should have said, but he didn’t. So it is up to us to speak out.''

fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago


[-] -2 points by Timex2 (-11) 10 years ago

So basically, yes she was and both she and Obama couldn't get the job done. That is a failure.

And also, we should vote the D's out of the Senate in 2014. Then I would bet they'd do a better job when they win it back. Nothing like a little scare to light fires under butts.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 10 years ago

we have had 30 years of trickle down -
obviously, turning over the senate to the Rs
followed by an R president
will have many benefits
minority voter suppression
no abortions
no gays
no imigration
more wars
no unions
every thing privatized
more wars
education for those who can pay for it expansion of gitmo
no cap gains tax
all foods will be GMO except the soylent green

bon appetite

[-] 0 points by Timex2 (-11) 10 years ago

Of course we we all remember how abortion was illegal from 2000-06, but lets stay on topic. Why did the Democratic majority Congress of 2009 not close Gitmo?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 10 years ago

you are not allowed to do that -
asking me a fair, polite question without name calling! I will work on it

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Let me guess?!!

Your brilliant plan is to put in more Republicans?

Ya, that outta work out just freakin peachy.

Do everyone on the planet a favor and stop pretending to have a clue about ANYTHING political.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Bombing Mali, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Libya and Somolia, while building more drone bases in Africa and bringing the drone bases to our soil while implementing indefinite detentions IS NOT ending war.

You shouldnt ever judge politicians on words. Judge them on actions.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Re. 'Drone Killings', also consider : http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/ & ..

''War, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and extrajudicial assassination are just so much better when the president is conflicted about it all! (and also) ... Always remember this point next time we have a Republican president. Democrats are, at best ... temporary doves.''

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 10 years ago

Obama celebrated war today, or is CSPAN lying to me?

If Obama honestly wanted to end war, then he would have made his first act back in 2009 to end the wars.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 10 years ago

Obama celebrated the sacrifice by our soldiers and he DID end the Iraq war

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Jeez, how many times do we have to go over this? The agreement to end the Iraq war and the exit date were signed under Georgie's watch. I'd post the links, but it's already been done too many times over the last year, so you'll have to Google it yourself. Sorry.

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 10 years ago

He ended the Iraq War almost two years into his term and has still yet to end the Afghanistan War.

By celebrating the soldiers of the US military, he is celebrating the violence that brought them to their demise. War and those who wage it should be denounced and never celebrated.

Anyone who can in good conscious kill another human being (no matter the reason) is a bad person in my book. Violence is always wrongs and should under no circumstances ever be celebrated.