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Forum Post: If You Vote in Elections or Sign Online Petitions, Are You Making a Difference or Wasting Your Time?

Posted 12 years ago on March 13, 2012, 3 p.m. EST by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL
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If You Vote in Elections or Sign Online Petitions, Are You Making a Difference or Wasting Your Time?

Q. IF YOU VOTE IN ELECTIONS OR SIGN ONLINE PETITIONS, ARE YOU MAKING A DIFFERENCE OR WASTING YOUR TIME?

Are you an effective political activist, or an impotent "feel-good" slacktivist? You may be fighting for the right cause, but are you fighting in the right way? Have you challenged "The Man", or played right into his hands?

A1. CAMPAIGNING AND VOTING IN ELECTIONS

"The United States government and its NATO puppets have been killing Muslim men, women and children for a decade in the name of bringing them democracy. But is the West itself a democracy? Skeptics point out that President George W. Bush was put in office by the Supreme Court and that a number of other elections have been decided by electronic voting machines that leave no paper trail. Others note that elected officials represent the special interests that fund their campaigns and not the voters. The bailout of the banks arranged by Bush’s Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sachs chairman, Henry Paulson, and Washington’s failure to indict any banksters for the fraud that contributed to the financial crisis, are evidence in support of the view that the US government represents money and not the voters."

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/02/14/is-western-democracy-real-or-a-facade/

"It is no coincidence that of the last 14 U.S. Presidents, 7 have been Democrats and 7 have been Republicans. Mainstream media focuses on America's two-year election cycles as if who wins or loses in the swinging of the pendulum was a matter of life or death, when in fact even at the Presidential level it makes no more difference than the outcomes of Monday Night Football, American Idol, Dancing With The Stars, Hillbilly Handfishing, the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor, or the latest Kardashian crisis. Our elections are staged to give Sheeple the illusion of control so they will (a) vent their frustrations and expend their energy, emotions and resources supporting or attacking the Puppet on the Left hand or the Puppet on the Right, and consequently (b) never recognize and challenge the common omnipotent Puppetmaster. As long as corporations own the politicians, it's futile to believe we can 'CHANGE' things with our votes."

http://open.salon.com/blog/watchingfrogsboil/2012/01/04/american_elections_false_choices_hiding_other_false_choices

"And perhaps there's the real problem. If you believe the US is a democracy, if you believe in the rule of the many and not the rule of the few, then the Citizens United ruling could not be more troubling. But what if this is not a democracy? What if this, as Dionne suggests, is an oligarchy of billionaire capitalists? More horrible to ponder, what if democracy is yet more intellectual cover, another one of those illusions, for the exploitation of American workers? Then the theory of the ruling class fits perfectly. Citizens United and the United States were made for each other."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/03/2012311123627435712.html

A2. PROMOTING AND SIGNING ONLINE PETITIONS

"Slacktivism (sometimes slactivism or slackervism) is a term formed out of the words slacker and activism. The word is usually considered a pejorative term that describes "feel-good" measures, in support of an issue or social cause, that have little or no practical effect other than to make the person doing it feel satisfaction. The acts tend to require minimal personal effort from the slacktivist. The underlying assumption being promoted by the term is that these low cost efforts substitute for more substantive actions rather than supplementing them, although this assumption has not been borne out by research. Slacktivist activities include signing Internet petitions..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism

"The age-old process of collecting signatures on paper petitions is being replaced by the cyber-petition, a device that allows notices addressing social injustices to be read and signed by netizens all over the world in a matter of days. Unfortunately, these petitions often contain misinformation or remain in circulation long after they are outdated, and the mere collection of e-signatures is of dubious value."

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/petition.asp

"One of the largest online petition websites does not list the names of any of the people running it, has no information about the organization or organizations associated with it, if any, and gives no evidence that the petitions they sponsor have been presented to politicians.. Yet hundreds of thousands of people have given this website their personal information including addresses, business information, and email addresses. If the website was not committed to the petition campaigns, why would it exist? The answer is: MAILING LISTS. Those hundreds of thousands of names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses are a gold mine for marketers who use the lists to send various kinds of solicitations and they can make a fortune renting or selling the names to other businesses. The online petition sites have been a sensational source of not only new names for mailing lists but names of people who can be identified as having particular interests such as supporting conservative or liberal causes, environmental issues, animals rights, etc."

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/petitions.htm


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[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 12 years ago

I sign petitions, stay involved in things as much as I can, but I don't see anything worth "voting" for? I mean, I've been a staunch liberal for years, but NDAA, ACTA, HR347, etc., isn't very inspirational (to say the least).

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 12 years ago

You miss the point:

"Signing petitions" is anything but "staying involved".

Stop Complying. Start Defying.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 12 years ago

For example? I don't live in NYC (I'm a couple hours north). Sure, I'd like to do more. I served in the army for 9 years (mostly reserves, but a few years of active duty and one overseas deployment), so I've slept in a few tents before, but I finished law school, passed two bar exams, and there's no goddamn jobs, so I'm using my GI bill and working towards a grad degree in biology (and science really is hard work, I'm taking a break from studying right now, but I'll probably be studying till 2am, wake up, study for about 12 hours tomorrow, and on and on it goes). I feel like I'm getting too old for this shit, but science is sort of like crack, very addicting :)

But anyway, no occupations in my neck of the woods (I think Poughkeepsie was the closest one, but still a bit far for me). I support OWS, I donate what I can afford to, I try to spread the word to my friends, but what else can I do? Maybe one of these days I'll move down to the city where all the action is ... I did live down there for like 4 years (but honestly, although the city is fun, I sort of like upstate better, if anything, I'm more inclined to move farther north).

I did go down a couple times, did some stuff (briefly), but it's just too damn far away (the commute is murder). So like I said, given my circumstances, I'm sort of limited in what I can do.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

Occupy, protest in the streets, unionize your work place, sign petitions and vote. Do it ALL.

False choices are false.

Feeling superior because of activist "purity" is nothing more than ego. OWS's lateralism, its alliances with unions and more traditionally "liberal" groups who work within system should be enough to tell you that all actions are on the table, and all are necessary. Only one hand clapping mares no sound.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 12 years ago

well i havent voted democrap or republiturd since ross perot, so Id say my vote was a waste.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

You assume people will do one or the other and not both. This is ludicrous, and just unnessarily limits the scope of our action, which in turn makes the movement easier to contain. Furthermore, online petitions already have made real change.

This idea of one or the other is a falacy, and plays into the hands of the 1%.

What other kind of action will you be disallowing next?

Thanks for helping them out.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 12 years ago

Everything I posted above is supported by both reason and links to authoritative sources. Nothing you posted here is supported by either.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Got any other people we shouldn't cooperate with you want to list?

[-] -3 points by JesusDemocrat (193) 12 years ago

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, what do you mean by, "no more left and no more right"?

I used to be a non-voting Independent and got crucified because of Democracy. I found this place and the majority says to vote D, straight across the ballot, and everything will be fine. I'm easily swayed by any bandwagon ploys, especially when they have large karma numbers or bawl horrific stories of human atrocities. Those stories and karma numbers mean a lot, don't they?

Now you are posting this and I don't know what to do.