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Forum Post: If you notice, there are no counter-demonstrators

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 6:59 p.m. EST by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ
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Rebecca Solnit notices this. There are always counter-demonstrators in every major effort. That there is little here must mean the movement is highly supported--maybe not all the stuff, but the spirit of it, which is a marvelous start.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175455/tomgram%3A_rebecca_solnit%2C_this_land_is_your_%28occupied%29_land/

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[-] 3 points by LaoTzu (169) 3 years ago

And one time I met a counter demonstrator but then once they found out they could eat free food at OccupyWallStreet, she was quickly converted to a 99% lol

[-] 2 points by DJCNOR (8) 3 years ago

Here in Charlottesville, VA, there is. The local Tea Partiers, copying our setting up occupation of a local park, have made their own application to occupy another part just two blocks from ours.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

VA doesn't really count..lol

[-] 2 points by dv8 (25) 3 years ago

I think the problem here is there is nothing to "counter". What does this movement stand for? It's still trying to define what is stands for other than supposedly representing "the 99%". So do you expect the "1% billionaires" to counter this protest by sleeping in the streets? All it is so far is an "occupation" - which I would argue the counter to that is the NYPD and the landlord. They've been pretty active.

[-] 2 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

^This.

Why would you assume, frankchurch1, that dv8 is "just pouting"? Maybe his/her fight for freedom just takes a different form.

[-] 1 points by dv8 (25) 3 years ago

Thank you AnneRidley - I really did not know how to respond to the accusation of "just pouting". What is that all about?

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

You got me...

[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 3 years ago

"What does this movement stand for?"

It stands for the true constitutional values that make this nation great.

It stands for more effective governance of our union and less ineffective governance.

It stands for Americans that don't have legs, and sadly can not stand themselves.

It stands for shaping America's future, but never forgetting its past.

It stands on the streets of every major city, and will withstand any attack on our fundamental right to protest.

It stands to reason that we will have our demands prepared by the time our politicians are ready listen.

Until then,.we will not sit back and wait for our problems to go away.

We will stand!

[-] 1 points by chigrl (94) 3 years ago

Agreed! Also, if every "major effort" has a counter protest, it must mean that this is not a major effort.

[-] 0 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Better that you thank them for fighting for your freedom, while you just pout.

[-] 2 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

What is there to counter? The "movement" is so nebulous that the counter-demonstration would pretty much take the form of apathy. OWS is a group of frustrated people with about a hundred different grievances. So anyone who feels apathetic to it IS counter-demonstrating.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Apathy is no winning solution.

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Who said it was?

[-] 2 points by ataraxia (32) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Or maybe we are busy WORKING? Just a thought.

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Don't worry, the jobs will all be gone soon.

[-] 2 points by ataraxia (32) from New York, NY 3 years ago

That's funny because my job is finding people jobs and I seem to be doing just fine :) We just don't hire people with non-transferable skills and/or lazy vagrants.

[-] 1 points by jeepman133 (14) 3 years ago

Naturally your doing fine in your job. do you think it's due to the millions of unemployed lmao. the 9% unemployed figure isn't accurate in any way. your comeback replies are rather weak!!

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Was it wrong for Martin King to protest?

[-] 1 points by dv8 (25) 3 years ago

Excuse me, I think MLK had a very clear and stated purpose. Please do not compare your movement or your cause to Martin Luther King. It's insulting to his memory.

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

You're comparing these people to MLK? Because he had a vision. Not just lots of feelings.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

They have a vision, you just don't agree with the vision, as the FBI and Southern Sheriffs didn't dig his.

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Okay. What is the vision?

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

For government and Wall Street to stop colluding against the rest of us.

[-] 1 points by dv8 (25) 3 years ago

Really is that the "vision" for a group that is looking for a statement and list of demands? I thought it was to "tax the rich" or "stop the war" or "end capitalism", "stop foreclosures"..... I don't think anyone at any point on this thread actually stated they did not agree with the vision. I think you're confused Frank.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

It's a start. You and Anne should watch this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXhF2DJ7fc

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

If it were that simple and coherent, a greater number of people might get behind you.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

They are--99 percent, remember?

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Not yet, dude.

[-] 1 points by AnneRidley (73) from New York, NY 3 years ago

I'm replying to the message below (the thread won't let me reply directly - sorry).

I'm an assistant in the publishing industry. I make just under $32,000 per year. I'd rather not go into any more detail than that.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

What do you do for a living, Anne?

[-] 0 points by chigrl (94) 3 years ago

What does this have to do with MLK? She never said it was wrong for people to protest.

[-] 1 points by jbell78 (152) 3 years ago

This. The counter movement are the ones who continue on with their lives...

[-] 2 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Putting your heads in the sand is living! I'd rather be dead. This explains Jersey Shore.

[-] 1 points by ataraxia (32) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Then why don't you just die than complaining you aren't given enough to live?

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Tell the rich to quit robbing us.

[-] 1 points by J789 (18) 3 years ago

Maybe because there are no official demand to be countered?

How do you counter nothing?

[-] 1 points by WeUsAll (200) 3 years ago

How do you counter a Love In? Bus in Red Necks?

Wake me up when Wavy Gravy gets there.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 3 years ago

Colonel Wilkerson, save us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VW0slYm0B_o

Skip that idiotic libertarian commercial