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Forum Post: If you guys want something REAL to protest, protest this.

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 7:55 p.m. EST by Onto (22)
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It's unfortunate that 99% of the protesters have no idea what they should be protesting, or even know what a derivative is. So in the interest of helping to give you some focus on something REAL to protest, protest this!!!




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[-] 1 points by BHicks4ever (180) 12 years ago

Yeah, this is one of the things we are protesting. Do you people realize we aren't just protesting the buildings and street signs?

[-] 1 points by Onto (22) 12 years ago

When I see signs that say "End Corporate Greed" and "Tax the Rich", I do get the perception that you all are missing the point entirely. Everybody want's more money and to be as wealthy as they can, protesters included. There are no exceptions to that unless you're a monk and even he wouldn't mind having a nicer rice bowl. Go ahead and tax the rich 90%, it's not going to get rid of the CDS's, it's not going to bring the jobs back and what good is more tax revenue when the currency is on the verge of becoming worthless?

[-] 0 points by BHicks4ever (180) 12 years ago

We'll I don't think they're missing the point and I don't want to be as wealthy as possible I want to be as wealthy as I deserve based on my contribution to society. I'm not a capitalist, I'm a socialist.

[-] 1 points by Onto (22) 12 years ago

Well, I could say much about Capitalism vs Socialism, but none say it better than this short little essay.


[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 12 years ago

This is what OWS is about


[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 12 years ago

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

Just so I know, what did you think they were protesting?? By the way, I'm quite familiar with derivatives and I'm pretty sure a disproportionate amount of the protesters(compared to the general population) are familiar with derivatives also.

I think you may be assuming too little of the protesters as it seems they are not only on the same page as you are, but have actually progressed much further than you think.

[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure repealing Gramm-Leach-Bliley (and reinstating Glass-Steagall) addresses the problems mentioned in the article.

Glass-Steagall (along with Citizens' United) has been one of the most commonly occurring points among protesters.

If you don't think Glass-Steagall addresses what you mention, could you please explain why??

[-] 1 points by Onto (22) 12 years ago

Glass-Stegall doesn't address the issuance of Credit Default Swaps because they didn't exist then. It's quite different than proprietary trading in the markets. The whole financial crisis has much less to do with MBS's or Sovereign Debt than it does the with the CDS's that banks and other institutions like AIG etc. have issued and will have to pay up on. The CDS market is hundreds of trillions of dollars. It's more money than actually exists. This article shows how the FED is doing all it can to protect it's shareholders, the Banks, and destroy the country if it was too. Just read the article.

[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

While I don't think it gets as much mention, I believe repealing the CFMA would also address that issue.


But I really do think separating Investment Banks from Commercial Banks and Insurance Companies would address what the article mentions.

If I'm not mistaken, Bank of America(as a Holding Company) would basically fall under investment banking and Bank of America(the retail banking part) would fall under commercial banking. In the article, they are shifting the burden of having those derivatives in the Holding Company by putting it within the Retail Banking division??

Am I right or am I wrong??

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting some of the banking terms, but haven't been corrected yet??

[-] 1 points by Onto (22) 12 years ago

You are right. They are shifting it to the retail where all the depositors money is. Where all the money that's supposed to be backed by the FDIC is. You won't see any media outlet reporting on this, but if I were running this movement I would be bringing that to light and right quick. I would be pressing the President to respond to that move.

Repealing the CFMA would be a good thing to do for sure, but the damage has been done. All the banks around the world have been in the business of collection insurance for CDS's which means the whole world is beyond broke. It's that knowledge which made Sen. Schumer gulp when the real situation was explained to him. I'm afraid things are going to end very badly in the next 5-10 years, but who knows? Maybe they will come up with ingenious scheme to keep it all going, but they sure got us all in a fine mess. I don't begrudge the banks though I hold the politicians of the last 90 years and especially the last 20 responsible. They are supposed to be there to protect the country and they sold us all out.

[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

"You won't see any media outlet reporting on this, but if I were running this movement I would be bringing that to light and right quick."

To the media's credit, the cross-section between people that can comprehend the article's financial terms and people that advocate the notion of regulation improving the market is not a huge demographic.

If there were many of us, I'm pretty sure Eliot Spitzer would still have his own show.

"Repealing the CFMA would be a good thing to do for sure, but the damage has been done."

I was actually thinking that while typing the post.

"I don't begrudge the banks though I hold the politicians of the last 90 years and especially the last 20 responsible."

I also don't begrudge the banks for doing what they need to in order to compete under the circumstances, however I do blame them for their part in rewriting the rules. Just like I wouldn't blame football players for taking steroids if the NFL decided to permit all steroid use, I can't really blame the banks for doing what they have to.